IMBA, what are you doing?

"freeriding opportunities on public land"

Right.

Very funny. Ha ha.

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"freeriding opportunities on public land"
Right.

Very funny. Ha ha.


Sucks to be you, we've got a nice little spot that the city lets us play
on. We can't build anything but it's an abandoned quarry so there are
lots of natural features to play on. The city even works with us to
solve the occasional complaint that other park users may have.

"kantspel" wrote in message
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Sucks to be you, we've got a nice little spot that the city lets us play
on. We can't build anything but it's an abandoned quarry so there are
lots of natural features to play on. The city even works with us to
solve the occasional complaint that other park users may have.

Sucks to be me? Why would you say something like that? Riding in a quarry is
not mountainbiking. As a matter of fact, I don't even know what kind of
riding that is. Its great that you have a city that works with you, but does
the city put its efforts into trail maintenance of "real" mountain bike
trails and multi-use trails?

- CA-G

Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

Carla A-G wrote:
"kantspel" wrote in message
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Sucks to be you, we've got a nice little spot that the city lets us
play on. We can't build anything but it's an abandoned quarry so
there are lots of natural features to play on. The city even works
with us to solve the occasional complaint that other park users may
have.

Sucks to be me? Why would you say something like that?

Probably a good thing you don't agree. That would be ~Travis-like and would
surprise me coming from you!

I guess I'd want to know more. IMBA needs to be pragmatic or they will be
ignored. Since we know people will freeride, maybe it makes sense to have
designated areas for it. The challenge is finding those areas. A place like
a quarry seems ideal. It's already pretty much destroyed, so what the harm
in letting dewds throw themselves off things most of the rest of us would
have the sense to avoid?
But the big thing here is what public land. Areas that are already trashed
would be OK with me. Maybe it will pull those freeriders off the land they
shouldn't be riding on.
Tough issue either way. It will be interesting to see what comes of this.

Matt

Carla A-G wrote:

"kantspel" wrote in message
...

Sucks to be you, we've got a nice little spot that the city lets us play
on. We can't build anything but it's an abandoned quarry so there are
lots of natural features to play on. The city even works with us to
solve the occasional complaint that other park users may have.


Sucks to be me? Why would you say something like that?

I thought you were alluding that freeriding on public land couldn't
happen, now me thinks you meant that it shouldn't happen. Bad
communication on my part, my bad.

Riding in a quarry is
not mountainbiking. As a matter of fact, I don't even know what kind of
riding that is.

I'd love to hear what your definition of mountain biking is, I always
thought that if it involved knobby tires, dirt, and fun then was close
enough. The quarry I'm reffering to has been abandoned for quite a few
decades and is now plesantly wooded but the terrain is all goofy. It's
really small but tucked away in a very urban environment. It's a true
gem and I doubt many cities have anything to compare it to. No it's not
a mountain and you aren't going to cover a lot of miles in any kind of
hurry, but there's dirt, trees, and some of the most technical trails
you'll find anywhere.

Its great that you have a city that works with you, but does
the city put its efforts into trail maintenance of "real" mountain bike
trails and multi-use trails?

"real" trails, oh gawd you are spoiled. Around here we take what we can
get (considering the usable land around here we get quite a bit) and
dammit we have a lot of fun on it. Isn't that what matters?

MattB wrote:

Carla A-G wrote:

"kantspel" wrote in message
...

Sucks to be you, we've got a nice little spot that the city lets us
play on. We can't build anything but it's an abandoned quarry so
there are lots of natural features to play on. The city even works
with us to solve the occasional complaint that other park users may
have.

Sucks to be me? Why would you say something like that?


Probably a good thing you don't agree. That would be ~Travis-like and would
surprise me coming from you!

I guess I'd want to know more. IMBA needs to be pragmatic or they will be
ignored. Since we know people will freeride, maybe it makes sense to have
designated areas for it. The challenge is finding those areas. A place like
a quarry seems ideal. It's already pretty much destroyed, so what the harm
in letting dewds throw themselves off things most of the rest of us would
have the sense to avoid?
But the big thing here is what public land. Areas that are already trashed
would be OK with me. Maybe it will pull those freeriders off the land they
shouldn't be riding on.
Tough issue either way. It will be interesting to see what comes of this.

Matt



The thing I've noticed about a lot of dedicated "freeriding" or
dirtjumping spots is that they don't usually take up all that much land.
Sure they really tear the place up (relitive to a normal singletrack)
but usually they can get their fill out of a relitivly small area cause
most of em don't want to drag their beasts very far. Of course my
experience has been in the southeast and midwest and it could be much
different elsewhere.

We had actually considered persuing one of these grants, but couldn't
really think of anything to spend the money on other than a sign or two
and perhaps a leaf blower. We aren't allowed to bring in any man made
materials into our park so it limits the size and number of the stunts.
The core group prefers it because it helps to keep a low profile which
keeps the neighbors happy (it's smack dab in the middle of an urban
residental hood), plus most of us aren't into the "big stuff". Our
style could probably be best described as rolling trials.

In ,
Carla A-G typed:
"freeriding opportunities on public land"

Right.

Very funny. Ha ha.

http://dropmac.web.aplus.net/news/ne...?id=245&a=full

- CA-G

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????

That's what I'm working toward in Richmond.

The program's goal is to speed the development of freeriding opportunities
on public land. Grants will be used for a variety of purposes, including
gaining land manager approval, addressing liability concerns, trail and
stunt construction, trailhead kiosks and signage, and freeride organization
building. "

"Carla A-G" wrote in message
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"freeriding opportunities on public land"

Right.

Very funny. Ha ha.

http://dropmac.web.aplus.net/news/ne...?id=245&a=full


Oh, lord. Here we go again. Yet another "Freeriding isn't real Mountain
Biking" argument. Freeriders deserve the same opportunities to ride, and
access to land as other off-road riders do. Frankly, considering the number
of freeriders (and the sale of freeride-type bikes), it's about time the
IMBA started working with them in a more constructive fashion.

And no, I am not a freerider in any way, shape, or form. I'm just an old
fashioned XC/Trail type of guy.

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:56:29 -0500, Carla A-G wrote:

Riding in a quarry is not mountainbiking.

Yep

As a matter of fact, I don't even know what kind of riding that is.

Its FREERIDING! I think the IMBA is doing the right thing by supporting
this (from a "moral support" standpoint), but doing the wrong thing in
being an active participant. They SHOULD just be saying "well that sounds
like a great project, but we represent mountain biking, not freeriding."

Its not just semantics - if people see kids dirt jumping in some local lot
and think that's "mountain biking", how receptive will they be to allowing
mountain biking on the trails?

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"kantspel" wrote in message
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Carla A-G wrote:

"kantspel" wrote in message
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I thought you were alluding that freeriding on public land couldn't
happen, now me thinks you meant that it shouldn't happen. Bad
communication on my part, my bad.

Doesn't matter to me whether it does or doesn't happen, either way it won't
affect me.

I'd love to hear what your definition of mountain biking is, I always
thought that if it involved knobby tires, dirt, and fun then was close
enough.

I have a mod trials bike that has knobby tires and its ridden in natural
terrain like rocks and boulders and the dirt that's in between, but I don't
consider it to be mountain biking.


"real" trails, oh gawd you are spoiled. Around here we take what we can
get (considering the usable land around here we get quite a bit) and
dammit we have a lot of fun on it. Isn't that what matters?

That's my opinion, ride what you have. West Coast people make fun of us East
Coaster's because we don't have huge mountains and elevation in our trails,
but what we do have is technical, rocky, rooty, twisty tight trails. We
enjoy what we have and we ride it with the same joy and enthusiasm.

- CA-G

Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!