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Old August 2nd 19, 11:21 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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I just got an advertisement from Trek in which they now claim that the latest Wavecell has not 28 times but 48 times the protection for your head than normal foam.

I wonder if this is advertising BS or an actual improvement of the cell shape design. Since they are manufactured using a 3-D printing technology it is very simple for them to make improvements to the design.

At 28 times the protection I wouldn't have had a concussion in the first place so it is actually something to think about. I am paying about $400 a month for medication and in a constant worry that I will grow used to the medication and its effectiveness will fail. I already discovered that if I take these Saw Palmetto pills for enlarged prostate that it makes you pass the medication out more rapidly that you're supposed to and I start having micro-seizures.

I can't take any larger doses so that is always a problem.

I absolutely do not believe that a helmet can save your life and we've discussed this many times before. But I do believe that it can make the life you wouldn't have lost more livable.

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Old August 2nd 19, 11:47 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 8/2/2019 6:21 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got an advertisement from Trek in which they now claim that the latest Wavecell has not 28 times but 48 times the protection for your head than normal foam.

I wonder if this is advertising BS or an actual improvement of the cell shape design. Since they are manufactured using a 3-D printing technology it is very simple for them to make improvements to the design.

At 28 times the protection I wouldn't have had a concussion in the first place so it is actually something to think about. I am paying about $400 a month for medication and in a constant worry that I will grow used to the medication and its effectiveness will fail. I already discovered that if I take these Saw Palmetto pills for enlarged prostate that it makes you pass the medication out more rapidly that you're supposed to and I start having micro-seizures.

I can't take any larger doses so that is always a problem.

I absolutely do not believe that a helmet can save your life and we've discussed this many times before. But I do believe that it can make the life you wouldn't have lost more livable.


Perhaps, for certain values of "can."

Maybe we'll someday see if the Wavecell makes a difference. In that
case, perhaps they can sell it to those that actually has the largest
number of TBI injuries. That surely does not include bicyclists, despite
all the dishonest hype. Ask any honest ER doctor or TBI specialist.

In any case, it's pretty clear conventional bike helmets aren't working.
Cyclist concussions have soared since bike helmets became popular - just
the opposite of what was promised.


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- Frank Krygowski
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Old August 4th 19, 04:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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Default Trek/Bontrager Wavecell Technology Helmets

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 3:47:26 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/2/2019 6:21 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got an advertisement from Trek in which they now claim that the latest Wavecell has not 28 times but 48 times the protection for your head than normal foam.

I wonder if this is advertising BS or an actual improvement of the cell shape design. Since they are manufactured using a 3-D printing technology it is very simple for them to make improvements to the design.

At 28 times the protection I wouldn't have had a concussion in the first place so it is actually something to think about. I am paying about $400 a month for medication and in a constant worry that I will grow used to the medication and its effectiveness will fail. I already discovered that if I take these Saw Palmetto pills for enlarged prostate that it makes you pass the medication out more rapidly that you're supposed to and I start having micro-seizures.

I can't take any larger doses so that is always a problem.

I absolutely do not believe that a helmet can save your life and we've discussed this many times before. But I do believe that it can make the life you wouldn't have lost more livable.


Perhaps, for certain values of "can."

Maybe we'll someday see if the Wavecell makes a difference. In that
case, perhaps they can sell it to those that actually has the largest
number of TBI injuries. That surely does not include bicyclists, despite
all the dishonest hype. Ask any honest ER doctor or TBI specialist.

In any case, it's pretty clear conventional bike helmets aren't working.
Cyclist concussions have soared since bike helmets became popular - just
the opposite of what was promised.


--
- Frank Krygowski


Frank, please stop your invention. TBI has not "soared". In fact we have a smaller percentage of injuries and fatalities of bicyclists because they are more familiar to motorists these days and cycling becomes more common.
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Old August 4th 19, 10:58 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_2_]
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Default Trek/Bontrager Wavecell Technology Helmets

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 11:30:27 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 3:47:26 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/2/2019 6:21 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got an advertisement from Trek in which they now claim that the latest Wavecell has not 28 times but 48 times the protection for your head than normal foam.

I wonder if this is advertising BS or an actual improvement of the cell shape design. Since they are manufactured using a 3-D printing technology it is very simple for them to make improvements to the design.

At 28 times the protection I wouldn't have had a concussion in the first place so it is actually something to think about. I am paying about $400 a month for medication and in a constant worry that I will grow used to the medication and its effectiveness will fail. I already discovered that if I take these Saw Palmetto pills for enlarged prostate that it makes you pass the medication out more rapidly that you're supposed to and I start having micro-seizures.

I can't take any larger doses so that is always a problem.

I absolutely do not believe that a helmet can save your life and we've discussed this many times before. But I do believe that it can make the life you wouldn't have lost more livable.


Perhaps, for certain values of "can."

Maybe we'll someday see if the Wavecell makes a difference. In that
case, perhaps they can sell it to those that actually has the largest
number of TBI injuries. That surely does not include bicyclists, despite
all the dishonest hype. Ask any honest ER doctor or TBI specialist.

In any case, it's pretty clear conventional bike helmets aren't working..
Cyclist concussions have soared since bike helmets became popular - just
the opposite of what was promised.


--
- Frank Krygowski


Frank, please stop your invention. TBI has not "soared". In fact we have a smaller percentage of injuries and fatalities of bicyclists because they are more familiar to motorists these days and cycling becomes more common.


From "Senseless" in _Bicycling_ magazine, June 2013:

"Stat #3: As more people buckled on helmets, brain injuries also increased.. Between 1997 and 2011 the number of bike-related concussions suffered annually by American riders *increased by 67 percent, from 9,327 to 15,546..."

See http://fliphtml5.com/yilc/ntnn/basic

- Frank Krygowski
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Old August 4th 19, 11:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sir Ridesalot
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Default Trek/Bontrager Wavecell Technology Helmets

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 5:58:07 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 11:30:27 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 3:47:26 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/2/2019 6:21 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got an advertisement from Trek in which they now claim that the latest Wavecell has not 28 times but 48 times the protection for your head than normal foam.

I wonder if this is advertising BS or an actual improvement of the cell shape design. Since they are manufactured using a 3-D printing technology it is very simple for them to make improvements to the design.

At 28 times the protection I wouldn't have had a concussion in the first place so it is actually something to think about. I am paying about $400 a month for medication and in a constant worry that I will grow used to the medication and its effectiveness will fail. I already discovered that if I take these Saw Palmetto pills for enlarged prostate that it makes you pass the medication out more rapidly that you're supposed to and I start having micro-seizures.

I can't take any larger doses so that is always a problem.

I absolutely do not believe that a helmet can save your life and we've discussed this many times before. But I do believe that it can make the life you wouldn't have lost more livable.

Perhaps, for certain values of "can."

Maybe we'll someday see if the Wavecell makes a difference. In that
case, perhaps they can sell it to those that actually has the largest
number of TBI injuries. That surely does not include bicyclists, despite
all the dishonest hype. Ask any honest ER doctor or TBI specialist.

In any case, it's pretty clear conventional bike helmets aren't working.
Cyclist concussions have soared since bike helmets became popular - just
the opposite of what was promised.


--
- Frank Krygowski


Frank, please stop your invention. TBI has not "soared". In fact we have a smaller percentage of injuries and fatalities of bicyclists because they are more familiar to motorists these days and cycling becomes more common..


From "Senseless" in _Bicycling_ magazine, June 2013:

"Stat #3: As more people buckled on helmets, brain injuries also increased. Between 1997 and 2011 the number of bike-related concussions suffered annually by American riders *increased by 67 percent, from 9,327 to 15,546..."

See http://fliphtml5.com/yilc/ntnn/basic

- Frank Krygowski


That article makes no sense at all the way it's posted!

Cheers
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Old August 4th 19, 11:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_2_]
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Default Trek/Bontrager Wavecell Technology Helmets

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 6:11:10 PM UTC-4, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 5:58:07 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 11:30:27 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 3:47:26 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/2/2019 6:21 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got an advertisement from Trek in which they now claim that the latest Wavecell has not 28 times but 48 times the protection for your head than normal foam.

I wonder if this is advertising BS or an actual improvement of the cell shape design. Since they are manufactured using a 3-D printing technology it is very simple for them to make improvements to the design.

At 28 times the protection I wouldn't have had a concussion in the first place so it is actually something to think about. I am paying about $400 a month for medication and in a constant worry that I will grow used to the medication and its effectiveness will fail. I already discovered that if I take these Saw Palmetto pills for enlarged prostate that it makes you pass the medication out more rapidly that you're supposed to and I start having micro-seizures.

I can't take any larger doses so that is always a problem.

I absolutely do not believe that a helmet can save your life and we've discussed this many times before. But I do believe that it can make the life you wouldn't have lost more livable.

Perhaps, for certain values of "can."

Maybe we'll someday see if the Wavecell makes a difference. In that
case, perhaps they can sell it to those that actually has the largest
number of TBI injuries. That surely does not include bicyclists, despite
all the dishonest hype. Ask any honest ER doctor or TBI specialist.

In any case, it's pretty clear conventional bike helmets aren't working.
Cyclist concussions have soared since bike helmets became popular - just
the opposite of what was promised.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, please stop your invention. TBI has not "soared". In fact we have a smaller percentage of injuries and fatalities of bicyclists because they are more familiar to motorists these days and cycling becomes more common.


From "Senseless" in _Bicycling_ magazine, June 2013:

"Stat #3: As more people buckled on helmets, brain injuries also increased. Between 1997 and 2011 the number of bike-related concussions suffered annually by American riders *increased by 67 percent, from 9,327 to 15,546..."

See http://fliphtml5.com/yilc/ntnn/basic

- Frank Krygowski


That article makes no sense at all the way it's posted!


Yes, it's garbled. I have a printed copy of the original. It used to be available
by searching www.bicycling.com but I just gave the first hit I came to. My
quotation is accurate.

- Frank Krygowski

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Old August 5th 19, 08:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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Default Trek/Bontrager Wavecell Technology Helmets

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 2:58:07 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 11:30:27 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 3:47:26 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/2/2019 6:21 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got an advertisement from Trek in which they now claim that the latest Wavecell has not 28 times but 48 times the protection for your head than normal foam.

I wonder if this is advertising BS or an actual improvement of the cell shape design. Since they are manufactured using a 3-D printing technology it is very simple for them to make improvements to the design.

At 28 times the protection I wouldn't have had a concussion in the first place so it is actually something to think about. I am paying about $400 a month for medication and in a constant worry that I will grow used to the medication and its effectiveness will fail. I already discovered that if I take these Saw Palmetto pills for enlarged prostate that it makes you pass the medication out more rapidly that you're supposed to and I start having micro-seizures.

I can't take any larger doses so that is always a problem.

I absolutely do not believe that a helmet can save your life and we've discussed this many times before. But I do believe that it can make the life you wouldn't have lost more livable.

Perhaps, for certain values of "can."

Maybe we'll someday see if the Wavecell makes a difference. In that
case, perhaps they can sell it to those that actually has the largest
number of TBI injuries. That surely does not include bicyclists, despite
all the dishonest hype. Ask any honest ER doctor or TBI specialist.

In any case, it's pretty clear conventional bike helmets aren't working.
Cyclist concussions have soared since bike helmets became popular - just
the opposite of what was promised.


--
- Frank Krygowski


Frank, please stop your invention. TBI has not "soared". In fact we have a smaller percentage of injuries and fatalities of bicyclists because they are more familiar to motorists these days and cycling becomes more common..


From "Senseless" in _Bicycling_ magazine, June 2013:

"Stat #3: As more people buckled on helmets, brain injuries also increased. Between 1997 and 2011 the number of bike-related concussions suffered annually by American riders *increased by 67 percent, from 9,327 to 15,546..."

See http://fliphtml5.com/yilc/ntnn/basic

- Frank Krygowski


Gee, let me see if I have you correctly Frank - during the time that Greg LeMond and Lance Armstrong made the SPORT of bicycling popular there was a large increase in head injuries and it just coincidentally occurred in the age group of 17 to 27. Who in the hell could EVER have predicted that?
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Old August 6th 19, 06:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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Default Trek/Bontrager Wavecell Technology Helmets

On 8/5/2019 3:34 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 2:58:07 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 11:30:27 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 3:47:26 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/2/2019 6:21 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got an advertisement from Trek in which they now claim that the latest Wavecell has not 28 times but 48 times the protection for your head than normal foam.

I wonder if this is advertising BS or an actual improvement of the cell shape design. Since they are manufactured using a 3-D printing technology it is very simple for them to make improvements to the design.

At 28 times the protection I wouldn't have had a concussion in the first place so it is actually something to think about. I am paying about $400 a month for medication and in a constant worry that I will grow used to the medication and its effectiveness will fail. I already discovered that if I take these Saw Palmetto pills for enlarged prostate that it makes you pass the medication out more rapidly that you're supposed to and I start having micro-seizures.

I can't take any larger doses so that is always a problem.

I absolutely do not believe that a helmet can save your life and we've discussed this many times before. But I do believe that it can make the life you wouldn't have lost more livable.

Perhaps, for certain values of "can."

Maybe we'll someday see if the Wavecell makes a difference. In that
case, perhaps they can sell it to those that actually has the largest
number of TBI injuries. That surely does not include bicyclists, despite
all the dishonest hype. Ask any honest ER doctor or TBI specialist.

In any case, it's pretty clear conventional bike helmets aren't working.
Cyclist concussions have soared since bike helmets became popular - just
the opposite of what was promised.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, please stop your invention. TBI has not "soared". In fact we have a smaller percentage of injuries and fatalities of bicyclists because they are more familiar to motorists these days and cycling becomes more common.


From "Senseless" in _Bicycling_ magazine, June 2013:

"Stat #3: As more people buckled on helmets, brain injuries also increased. Between 1997 and 2011 the number of bike-related concussions suffered annually by American riders *increased by 67 percent, from 9,327 to 15,546..."

See http://fliphtml5.com/yilc/ntnn/basic

- Frank Krygowski


Gee, let me see if I have you correctly Frank - during the time that Greg LeMond and Lance Armstrong made the SPORT of bicycling popular there was a large increase in head injuries and it just coincidentally occurred in the age group of 17 to 27. Who in the hell could EVER have predicted that?


Well, the people who were touting bike helmets as TBI protection
certainly didn't predict it.


--
- Frank Krygowski
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Old August 3rd 19, 01:23 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 15:21:48 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

I just got an advertisement from Trek in which they now claim that the
latest Wavecell has not 28 times but 48 times the protection for your
head than normal foam.


The question to ask yourself is "where is the point of failure now".

When mushroom style bicycle helmets, aka bell, first came out, there was
a nasty rise in a spine based injury of a rather severe and fatal type.
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Old August 3rd 19, 02:14 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 5:23:28 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 15:21:48 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

I just got an advertisement from Trek in which they now claim that the
latest Wavecell has not 28 times but 48 times the protection for your
head than normal foam.


The question to ask yourself is "where is the point of failure now".

When mushroom style bicycle helmets, aka bell, first came out, there was
a nasty rise in a spine based injury of a rather severe and fatal type.


There was? I know the Bell Biker was directly linked to social isolation and reduction in sexual activity, but I wasn't aware that it was causing severe and fatal spinal injuries. https://www.sheldonbrown.com/images/...4bellbiker.jpg

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