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Right of Way did a "study", that is all.
It did not change any of the police reports, It did not change any legal outcomes. Too bad it was not truly independent either. |
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J Swartz wrote:
No, You mean Your failure to see the driver opening the door. You are in his blindspot. Are you saying that if you glance in the mirror without looking over your shoulder and open your door into traffic, you expect the operator of the vehicle which hits your door to get the ticket? |
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"Zoot Katz" wrote in message ... Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:08:13 -0500, , "J Swartz" wrote: 3 - riding too fast or failure to see Opening Doors You mean "riding too close to parked cars" I mean failure to check for conflicting traffic before opening doors. No, You mean Your failure to see the driver opening the door. You are in his blindspot. Guess again, scum clot. Uniform Vehicle Code - Article XI 11-1105.Opening and closing vehicle doors No person shall open any door on a motor vehicle unless and until it is reasonably safe to do so and can be done without interfering with the movement of other traffic, nor shall any person leave a door open on a side of a vehicle available to moving traffic for a period of time longer than necessary to load or unload passengers. Illinois Vehicle Code, Article XIV, Section 11-1407, requires that: "No person shall open the door of a vehicle on the side available to moving traffic unless and until it is reasonably safe to do so, and can be done without interfering with the movement of other traffic." Australia - Victoria Rule 269. "Opening doors and getting out of a vehicle etc.... (3) A person must not cause a hazard to any person or vehicle by opening a door of a vehicle, leaving a door of a vehicle open, or getting off, or out of, a vehicle." Canada - Province of Ontario 165. "It is illegal for drivers or passengers to open their car doors without first making sure the action will not endanger a cyclist or any other person or vehicle." . . .etc. To: microbrain All the driver has to say is that he did not see you, and he might get small fine. Hard to make a judge believe you could not avoid door by moving over a foot. If you assume that driver will always see you, that you have recourse in court, and therefore you can ride fast close to parked cars, you gonna get whacked, just a matter of time, that is your problem, not mine. Better to take possession of the lane, away from door range. Driver can see you better too. |
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J Swartz wrote:
"Zoot Katz" wrote in message ... Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:41:55 -0400, , Mitch Haley wrote: 3 - riding too fast or failure to see Opening Doors You mean "riding too close to parked cars" I mean failure to check for conflicting traffic before opening doors. No, You mean Your failure to see the driver opening the door. You are in his blindspot. Wow. That really is an amazingly stupid statement. Sorry , my fault you didnt look. |
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Zoot Katz wrote:
Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:43:40 -0500, , "J Swartz" wrote: All the driver has to say is that he did not see you, and he might get small fine. IOW, they've admitted fault for having broken a law. But J Swartz is right, drivers (without alcohol in their systems) can kill cyclists and pedestrians at will, as long as they say the magic words. Just like an on-duty police officer can kill anybody, as long as he claims that he thought the victim was armed. "My gun just went off" is another one that works, but only for cops. Last year, some idiot killed a high school valedictorian about a month after she graduated. At the time, he claimed that he was passing at a safe distance and she "swerved into my path". The prosecuting attorney went for a negligent homicide charge. The defense attorney claimed, among other things, that her shirt was the color of the sun and you couldn't see her with the sun in your eyes. (at 2pm daylight savings time, with the sun almost directly overhead, try claiming that next time you rear end a school bus) A jury of his peers wasn't even deadlocked, they found him innocent. (his peers being other idiots who wouldn't want to go to jail if their stupidity killed somebody). This is a big step forward from when I was 18, when some bozo ran a stop sign and destroyed my motorcycle. The assistant prostituting attorney at that time (1982) told me that "you just can't see motorcycles" when he refused to take the ticket to court. I should have demanded that he (the taxpayer funded lawyer) give me his license so I could rip it up if he couldn't see a high beam headlight (which I had on at the time of the crash) in clear weather. Mitch. |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:43:40 -0500, J Swartz wrote:
All the driver has to say is that he did not see you, and he might get small fine. Hard to make a judge believe you could not avoid door by moving over a foot. That's four feet and there is no warning. Here is the bottom line rule. When your driving 2 tons of Steal, it is ALWAYS your god damn fault. More people die of Car accidents than any other even in the US, but somehow when it comes to Bikes, it's the bicyclists fault? Right. Give up the crack man. Ruben |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:12:29 -0700, Zoot Katz wrote:
BTW, I've never been doored. Had a few close calls when I started riding as an adult (1970) I never get doored because I never ride in the right hand side of the road, which is a violation in many states who don't give a damn if I die on my bike because of reckless motorist, as almost all motorists are. Ruben |
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Ruben Safir wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:12:29 -0700, Zoot Katz wrote: BTW, I've never been doored. Had a few close calls when I started riding as an adult (1970) I never get doored because I never ride in the right hand side of the road, which is a violation in many states who don't give a damn if I die on my bike because of reckless motorist, as almost all motorists are. Aren't you required to ride as far to the right *as long as you can remain safe*? I'd say it's up to te rider to decide how far that is. -- Steven O'Neill |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:26:42 +0000, Ken [NY) wrote:
And there is the best method of staying on your bike, rubber side down. You are entitled to that right lane, so use it. in New York, that is a recent change in the law and it is true. Take the whole damn lane and if they hon at you, put your kyptonite lock into their windshield. It bounces off the hood and comes right back to you. Ruben |
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