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Mountain Bikers Enjoy Destroying Wildlife Habitat! (was BCT Trail Work Day)
\On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb"
wrote: Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more photos and the BCT website click below http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095 Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat, especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to call yourselves "environmentalists"?! Gary === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Vandeman one post closer to death
Mike Vandeman wrote:
\On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" wrote: Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more photos and the BCT website click below http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095 Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat, especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to call yourselves "environmentalists"?! Doesn't it burn you up? How about knowing you're absolutely powerless to stop it? How about knowing the world laughs at you? |
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Mountain Bikers Enjoy Destroying Wildlife Habitat! (was BCT Trail Work Day)
http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095 Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat, especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to call yourselves "environmentalists"?! Mike, Funny thing is, the article states that only about half of the people there were Mountain Bikers. That means the other half were not. They were demonstrating cooperation between groups. The other half that were not mountain bikers, who were they? Were they there for cheap thrills to? Probably not. Probably hikers, equestrians and people who like to enjoy the outdoors. Not sitting inside, angrily typing away on a computer to a bunch of people who ridicule you every chance we get. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Vandeman one post closer to death
On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote: \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" wrote: Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more photos and the BCT website click below http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095 Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat, especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to call yourselves "environmentalists"?! Doesn't it burn you up? How about knowing you're absolutely powerless to stop it? How about knowing the world laughs at you? Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different? You're talking about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker, mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't bikers enjoy the outdoors. I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches, bushes, etc. How is this any different? Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down trees. And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area), DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much more overall damage. You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness! |
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Vandeman one post closer to death
Kernix wrote:
On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" wrote: Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more photos and the BCT website click below http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095 Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat, especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to call yourselves "environmentalists"?! Doesn't it burn you up? How about knowing you're absolutely powerless to stop it? How about knowing the world laughs at you? Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different? You're talking about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker, mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't bikers enjoy the outdoors. I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches, bushes, etc. How is this any different? Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down trees. And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area), DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much more overall damage. You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness! We never said it was. Try reading some threads around here. . . I'm also many of the things above, and the problem with MV is not that we don't share, but that we enjoy at all. |
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Vandeman one post closer to death
On 13 Feb 2007 07:35:33 -0800, "Kernix" wrote:
On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" wrote: Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more photos and the BCT website click below http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095 Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat, especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to call yourselves "environmentalists"?! Doesn't it burn you up? How about knowing you're absolutely powerless to stop it? How about knowing the world laughs at you? Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different? It's narrower. Hikers can pass each other in less space than two bikers can pass each other (due to the handlebars). You're talking about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker, mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't bikers enjoy the outdoors. They CAN -- just like everyone else: on foot! I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches, bushes, etc. How is this any different? Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down trees. And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area), DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much more overall damage. You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness! You make no sense whatsoever. How does a bike ban keep mountain bikers out??????????????????????????????????? Idiot. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Vandeman one post closer to death
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On 13 Feb 2007 07:35:33 -0800, "Kernix" wrote: On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" wrote: Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more photos and the BCT website click below http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095 Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat, especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to call yourselves "environmentalists"?! Doesn't it burn you up? How about knowing you're absolutely powerless to stop it? How about knowing the world laughs at you? Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different? It's narrower. Hikers can pass each other in less space than two bikers can pass each other (due to the handlebars). This is just incorrect. I've been on countless biking and hiking trails, and the difference is negligible. Some of the tightest trails I've been on were for bikers and hikers. You're talking about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker, mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't bikers enjoy the outdoors. They CAN -- just like everyone else: on foot! Mike, it's about time you stopped posting this bull**** semantic argument. If you ban the bikes, you ban mountain bikers. When I'm on the trail without my bike, I'm a hiker. Douchebag. I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches, bushes, etc. How is this any different? Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down trees. And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area), DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much more overall damage. You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness! You make no sense whatsoever. How does a bike ban keep mountain bikers out??????????????????????????????????? Idiot. Mike, it's about time you stopped posting this bull**** semantic argument. If you ban the bikes, you ban mountain bikers. When I'm on the trail without my bike, I'm a hiker. Douchebag. |
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Vandeman one post closer to death
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:36:10 -0800, cc wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote: On 13 Feb 2007 07:35:33 -0800, "Kernix" wrote: On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" wrote: Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more photos and the BCT website click below http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095 Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat, especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to call yourselves "environmentalists"?! Doesn't it burn you up? How about knowing you're absolutely powerless to stop it? How about knowing the world laughs at you? Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different? It's narrower. Hikers can pass each other in less space than two bikers can pass each other (due to the handlebars). This is just incorrect. I've been on countless biking and hiking trails, and the difference is negligible. So you admit that there is a difference -- as I said! QED Some of the tightest trails I've been on were for bikers and hikers. You're talking about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker, mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't bikers enjoy the outdoors. They CAN -- just like everyone else: on foot! Mike, it's about time you stopped posting this bull**** semantic argument. If you ban the bikes, you ban mountain bikers. When I'm on the trail without my bike, I'm a hiker. Douchebag. I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches, bushes, etc. How is this any different? Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down trees. And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area), DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much more overall damage. You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness! You make no sense whatsoever. How does a bike ban keep mountain bikers out??????????????????????????????????? Idiot. Mike, it's about time you stopped posting this bull**** semantic argument. If you ban the bikes, you ban mountain bikers. When I'm on the trail without my bike, I'm a hiker. Douchebag. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Vandeman one post closer to death
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:36:10 -0800, cc wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On 13 Feb 2007 07:35:33 -0800, "Kernix" wrote: On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" wrote: Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more photos and the BCT website click below http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095 Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat, especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to call yourselves "environmentalists"?! Doesn't it burn you up? How about knowing you're absolutely powerless to stop it? How about knowing the world laughs at you? Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different? It's narrower. Hikers can pass each other in less space than two bikers can pass each other (due to the handlebars). This is just incorrect. I've been on countless biking and hiking trails, and the difference is negligible. So you admit that there is a difference -- as I said! QED You jackass. Try interpreting the statement as the statistician you think you are. Any categorical differences between biking and hiking trails are so small compared to the difference between trails within each category, that they are statistically irrelevant. Some of the tightest trails I've been on were for bikers and hikers. You're talking about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker, mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't bikers enjoy the outdoors. They CAN -- just like everyone else: on foot! Mike, it's about time you stopped posting this bull**** semantic argument. If you ban the bikes, you ban mountain bikers. When I'm on the trail without my bike, I'm a hiker. Douchebag. I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches, bushes, etc. How is this any different? Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down trees. And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area), DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much more overall damage. You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness! You make no sense whatsoever. How does a bike ban keep mountain bikers out??????????????????????????????????? Idiot. Mike, it's about time you stopped posting this bull**** semantic argument. If you ban the bikes, you ban mountain bikers. When I'm on the trail without my bike, I'm a hiker. Douchebag. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Vandeman one post closer to death
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:25:55 -0800, cc wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote: On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:36:10 -0800, cc wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On 13 Feb 2007 07:35:33 -0800, "Kernix" wrote: On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" wrote: Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more photos and the BCT website click below http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095 Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat, especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to call yourselves "environmentalists"?! Doesn't it burn you up? How about knowing you're absolutely powerless to stop it? How about knowing the world laughs at you? Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different? It's narrower. Hikers can pass each other in less space than two bikers can pass each other (due to the handlebars). This is just incorrect. I've been on countless biking and hiking trails, and the difference is negligible. So you admit that there is a difference -- as I said! QED You jackass. Try interpreting the statement as the statistician you think you are. Any categorical differences between biking and hiking trails are so small compared to the difference between trails within each category, that they are statistically irrelevant. Not according to the REAL science (as opposed to "mountain biker science"). Some of the tightest trails I've been on were for bikers and hikers. You're talking about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker, mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't bikers enjoy the outdoors. They CAN -- just like everyone else: on foot! Mike, it's about time you stopped posting this bull**** semantic argument. If you ban the bikes, you ban mountain bikers. When I'm on the trail without my bike, I'm a hiker. Douchebag. I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches, bushes, etc. How is this any different? Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down trees. And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area), DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much more overall damage. You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness! You make no sense whatsoever. How does a bike ban keep mountain bikers out??????????????????????????????????? Idiot. Mike, it's about time you stopped posting this bull**** semantic argument. If you ban the bikes, you ban mountain bikers. When I'm on the trail without my bike, I'm a hiker. Douchebag. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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