Discs

On 11/18/2017 4:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:


For events such as World Series, World Cup, Super Bowl etc shirt vendors
order large quantities of printed merchandise with both teams. The loser
brand merchandise is donated for a charitable contribution and the
charitable contribution tax deduction. Hence the photo in Africa. I
learned about this only yesterday afternoon.

Was it on this group that someone pointed to an article on the negative
effects of such donations? I'm not sure. But somewhere I read that an
unintended consequence is the killing of any cloth or clothing
industries in the countries that receive the donations.

Just goes to show that nothing is simple.

Somewhere I've got a photo of us with some folks in their very remote
eastern European village, the sort of place that's sees almost no
tourists and is difficult to even drive to. One local guy is wearing an
"I [heart] New York" T-shirt.

I think the world must have been much more interesting before it was so
thoroughly westernized.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 2:59:49 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/18/2017 4:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:


For events such as World Series, World Cup, Super Bowl etc shirt vendors
order large quantities of printed merchandise with both teams. The loser
brand merchandise is donated for a charitable contribution and the
charitable contribution tax deduction. Hence the photo in Africa. I
learned about this only yesterday afternoon.

Was it on this group that someone pointed to an article on the negative
effects of such donations? I'm not sure. But somewhere I read that an
unintended consequence is the killing of any cloth or clothing
industries in the countries that receive the donations.

Just goes to show that nothing is simple.

Somewhere I've got a photo of us with some folks in their very remote
eastern European village, the sort of place that's sees almost no
tourists and is difficult to even drive to. One local guy is wearing an
"I [heart] New York" T-shirt.

I think the world must have been much more interesting before it was so
thoroughly westernized.

--
- Frank Krygowski

people in Ohio believe the world is Westernized or are you humorous ?

Hell, we're still fighting the Civil War with TV and BMW/Toyota yet look again at the three amorphous groups TV or no TV

On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 07:30:41 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-11-16 17:05, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:23:34 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-11-16 16:09, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:28:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-11-16 13:21, Tosspot wrote:
On 16/11/17 20:38, David Scheidt wrote:
Tosspot wrote:
:Why do they have holes in them?

:Car discs don't, motorbike discs don't, aircraft discs don't. Why do
:bicycle discs have them?

Lots of high-performance car brake rotors are drilled or slotted.
Slotting is more common on better stuff, holes can crack. They serve
a couple of features. One, people think they're cool. two, they
allow the gasses that come off brake pads somewhere to go (this is a
non-issue with modern pads, but it was a problem in the dark ages).
Three, they give water somewhere to go. Four, they improve cooling
(increase surface area). five, the clean pads, and reduce wear.

Gasses off a bicycle pad? Really?

Nobody drills rims, and most[1] motorbikes, which are exposed to the
rain don't.

Because 75 kg of me at 30 kph is the same KE as 160 kph Audi at 1.5
tonnes? Nah.

Hmmm...could it be it helps to clean them? They aren't dissipating the
KE, so they don't get Eeek! hot. But surely the crud would build up in
the holes?

I'm going to order a solid one for the front and fit it in the spring
and see if it makes any difference.


If you find a place (in the US or China) that sells solid 8" or 203mm
rotors please let us know.


https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Guide-Ul.../dp/B00XAY7CYK
or
http://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-Guide-...te-Disc-Brake/
The SRAM brake Ultimate Brake with 950mm front discs and 1,800 rear
discs.


Quote "ROTOR SIZES: 140, 160, 170, 180, 200mm"

I've got that already. It's not solid rotors.


I assume these are for the "go fast people".


What's so special about this stuff other than very high prices?

Good Lord! It is made by SRAM and everyone knows that they build super
stuff. Some of which is even used on TdeF racing bicycles :-)


Oh, yes, right. We must bow down deeply and I should never complain
about having to pay 10x or more than my current solution. Another
confession. I use $10 T-shirts on all my rides instead of $100
technicolor Spandex.

Current solution? Like the hose clamps to keep the front fork bearings
from falling off?

But more to the point $10 for a tee shirt? That is (last time I
checked the exchange rate) 330 baht for a tee shirt? Absurd, I buy
tee shirts for 100 baht each, six for 500 baht.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 16:59:45 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/18/2017 4:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:


For events such as World Series, World Cup, Super Bowl etc shirt vendors
order large quantities of printed merchandise with both teams. The loser
brand merchandise is donated for a charitable contribution and the
charitable contribution tax deduction. Hence the photo in Africa. I
learned about this only yesterday afternoon.

Was it on this group that someone pointed to an article on the negative
effects of such donations? I'm not sure. But somewhere I read that an
unintended consequence is the killing of any cloth or clothing
industries in the countries that receive the donations.

Just goes to show that nothing is simple.

Somewhere I've got a photo of us with some folks in their very remote
eastern European village, the sort of place that's sees almost no
tourists and is difficult to even drive to. One local guy is wearing an
"I [heart] New York" T-shirt.

I think the world must have been much more interesting before it was so
thoroughly westernized.

I know a bloke in the tee shirt business, here in Thailand, and he
tells me that he, and I assume other tee shirt "makers", buy plain
white tee shirts from China in bulk for pennies. Then silk screens
something on the front and sells them for dollars :-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 09:22:34 +0700, John B.
wrote:

But more to the point $10 for a tee shirt? That is (last time I
checked the exchange rate) 330 baht for a tee shirt? Absurd, I buy
tee shirts for 100 baht each, six for 500 baht.

At a quick skim of the Dharma Web site, the cheapest shirt I saw was
$1.87. The most expensive was hemp at $13.35. The most-expensive
without a politically-correct-fashion surcharge was $7.38 dollars. (It
has long sleeves.)


--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

https://www.coloradocyclist.com/men-s-cycling-tops

https://www.rei.com/search.html?q=me...sort=max-price

note choice plan on left…no cotton

synthetics do not 'take' dye without $$$ processing AFAIK

On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 22:37:00 -0400, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 09:22:34 +0700, John B.
wrote:

But more to the point $10 for a tee shirt? That is (last time I
checked the exchange rate) 330 baht for a tee shirt? Absurd, I buy
tee shirts for 100 baht each, six for 500 baht.

At a quick skim of the Dharma Web site, the cheapest shirt I saw was
$1.87. The most expensive was hemp at $13.35. The most-expensive
without a politically-correct-fashion surcharge was $7.38 dollars. (It
has long sleeves.)

A "hemp" shirt? I believe that hemp was once used to make sail
canvas, and the word canvas derives from cannabis.

Does one call the shirt a "Tee" or a "Joint"?
--
Cheers,

John B.

Why do t shirts have holes ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-shirt?wprov=sfla1

On 2017-11-18 13:59, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/18/2017 4:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:


For events such as World Series, World Cup, Super Bowl etc shirt
vendors order large quantities of printed merchandise with both teams.
The loser brand merchandise is donated for a charitable contribution
and the charitable contribution tax deduction. Hence the photo in
Africa. I learned about this only yesterday afternoon.

Was it on this group that someone pointed to an article on the negative
effects of such donations? I'm not sure. But somewhere I read that an
unintended consequence is the killing of any cloth or clothing
industries in the countries that receive the donations.


It kills an industry that was no longer feasible. This is why it is
important to foster new skills in such countries. Inventing and
producing a better buggy whip isn't going to feed a family anymore.


Just goes to show that nothing is simple.

Somewhere I've got a photo of us with some folks in their very remote
eastern European village, the sort of place that's sees almost no
tourists and is difficult to even drive to. One local guy is wearing an
"I [heart] New York" T-shirt.


I rode with a Tour de France 2010 water bottle until it developed a
crack in the pastic early this year. It was the cheapest yet sturdy 28oz
bottle I saw in 2013.


I think the world must have been much more interesting before it was so
thoroughly westernized.


Yes, a lot more people died needlessly from simple infections.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 2017-11-18 18:22, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 07:30:41 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-11-16 17:05, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:23:34 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-11-16 16:09, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:28:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-11-16 13:21, Tosspot wrote:
On 16/11/17 20:38, David Scheidt wrote:
Tosspot wrote:
:Why do they have holes in them?

:Car discs don't, motorbike discs don't, aircraft discs don't. Why do
:bicycle discs have them?

Lots of high-performance car brake rotors are drilled or slotted.
Slotting is more common on better stuff, holes can crack. They serve
a couple of features. One, people think they're cool. two, they
allow the gasses that come off brake pads somewhere to go (this is a
non-issue with modern pads, but it was a problem in the dark ages).
Three, they give water somewhere to go. Four, they improve cooling
(increase surface area). five, the clean pads, and reduce wear.

Gasses off a bicycle pad? Really?

Nobody drills rims, and most[1] motorbikes, which are exposed to the
rain don't.

Because 75 kg of me at 30 kph is the same KE as 160 kph Audi at 1.5
tonnes? Nah.

Hmmm...could it be it helps to clean them? They aren't dissipating the
KE, so they don't get Eeek! hot. But surely the crud would build up in
the holes?

I'm going to order a solid one for the front and fit it in the spring
and see if it makes any difference.


If you find a place (in the US or China) that sells solid 8" or 203mm
rotors please let us know.


https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Guide-Ul.../dp/B00XAY7CYK
or
http://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-Guide-...te-Disc-Brake/
The SRAM brake Ultimate Brake with 950mm front discs and 1,800 rear
discs.


Quote "ROTOR SIZES: 140, 160, 170, 180, 200mm"

I've got that already. It's not solid rotors.


I assume these are for the "go fast people".


What's so special about this stuff other than very high prices?

Good Lord! It is made by SRAM and everyone knows that they build super
stuff. Some of which is even used on TdeF racing bicycles :-)


Oh, yes, right. We must bow down deeply and I should never complain
about having to pay 10x or more than my current solution. Another
confession. I use $10 T-shirts on all my rides instead of $100
technicolor Spandex.

Current solution?


I had described it more than once now: Shimano RT-66 rotors with 203mm
and Promax Decipher hydraulic brakes. Worked very nicely on a short test
ride. Wanted to do a long ride on Friday but it had rained and my wife
didn't want to see a mud-dripping MTB and rider in the garage again. So
I took the road bike out west instead. Went through almost 2ft deep
water and thanks to our wood stove the shoes are just now dry again.


... Like the hose clamps to keep the front fork bearings
from falling off?


That hose clamp works poifectly.


But more to the point $10 for a tee shirt? That is (last time I
checked the exchange rate) 330 baht for a tee shirt? Absurd, I buy
tee shirts for 100 baht each, six for 500 baht.


We can get them for that price as well. However, then the collars wear
out faster and become floppy. Also, I need 100% cotton and of good
quality. Not something super-thin that unravels at the first brush with
a blackberry bush.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/