Cycle lane on roundabout - who has priority?

On 6 Apr, 07:45, "Mortimer" wrote:
I saw a roundabout yesterday which had a green cycle lane around the edge -
between the outer kerb and the lane for cars/lorries/buses. This started me
wondering who has priority over whom when a car in the inner lane (closer to
the centre of the roundabout) wants to leave the roundabout and there is a
cyclist on his left wanting to go straight on and leave at a later exit.

Normally the situation wouldn't arise because on a roundabout with more than
one lane the driver wanting to turn left would be required to position
himself on the *left* of the one wanting to go straight on or turn right,
but in this case the lane markings demand the opposite positioning.

Should the cyclist give way to the car because one should never overtake a
vehicle that is indicating to turn towards the side on which you are
contemplating overtaking? Or should the car driver stop in the middle of the
roundabout and wait until the cyclist has overtaken him on his left and the
cycle lane that he wants to cross is clear?

Does the Highway Code describe the rules for this situation?

The biggest vehicle rules, that puts cyclists at the bottom of the
pecking order where they rightfully belong.

NM wrote:
On 6 Apr, 07:45, "Mortimer" wrote:
I saw a roundabout yesterday which had a green cycle lane around the
edge - between the outer kerb and the lane for cars/lorries/buses.
This started me wondering who has priority over whom when a car in
the inner lane (closer to the centre of the roundabout) wants to
leave the roundabout and there is a cyclist on his left wanting to
go straight on and leave at a later exit.

Normally the situation wouldn't arise because on a roundabout with
more than one lane the driver wanting to turn left would be required
to position himself on the *left* of the one wanting to go straight
on or turn right, but in this case the lane markings demand the
opposite positioning.

Should the cyclist give way to the car because one should never
overtake a vehicle that is indicating to turn towards the side on
which you are contemplating overtaking? Or should the car driver
stop in the middle of the roundabout and wait until the cyclist has
overtaken him on his left and the cycle lane that he wants to cross
is clear?

Does the Highway Code describe the rules for this situation?

The biggest vehicle rules, that puts cyclists at the bottom of the
pecking order where they rightfully belong.

A fine example of a scummy petrol-head admitting that he believes he has the
right to intimidate, injure, and even kill cyclists if they get in his way.

Brian Robertson wrote:
NM wrote:
On 6 Apr, 07:45, "Mortimer" wrote:
I saw a roundabout yesterday which had a green cycle lane around the
edge - between the outer kerb and the lane for cars/lorries/buses.
This started me wondering who has priority over whom when a car in
the inner lane (closer to the centre of the roundabout) wants to
leave the roundabout and there is a cyclist on his left wanting to
go straight on and leave at a later exit.

Normally the situation wouldn't arise because on a roundabout with
more than one lane the driver wanting to turn left would be required
to position himself on the *left* of the one wanting to go straight
on or turn right, but in this case the lane markings demand the
opposite positioning.

Should the cyclist give way to the car because one should never
overtake a vehicle that is indicating to turn towards the side on
which you are contemplating overtaking? Or should the car driver
stop in the middle of the roundabout and wait until the cyclist has
overtaken him on his left and the cycle lane that he wants to cross
is clear?

Does the Highway Code describe the rules for this situation?
The biggest vehicle rules, that puts cyclists at the bottom of the
pecking order where they rightfully belong.

A fine example of a scummy petrol-head admitting that he believes he has the
right to intimidate, injure, and even kill cyclists if they get in his way.


Surely a cyclist has the same rights as any other road user on a roundabout.

Bod

On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 02:35:05 -0700 (PDT), NM
wrote:

On 6 Apr, 07:45, "Mortimer" wrote:
I saw a roundabout yesterday which had a green cycle lane around the edge -
between the outer kerb and the lane for cars/lorries/buses. This started me
wondering who has priority over whom when a car in the inner lane (closer to
the centre of the roundabout) wants to leave the roundabout and there is a
cyclist on his left wanting to go straight on and leave at a later exit.

Normally the situation wouldn't arise because on a roundabout with more than
one lane the driver wanting to turn left would be required to position
himself on the *left* of the one wanting to go straight on or turn right,
but in this case the lane markings demand the opposite positioning.

Should the cyclist give way to the car because one should never overtake a
vehicle that is indicating to turn towards the side on which you are
contemplating overtaking? Or should the car driver stop in the middle of the
roundabout and wait until the cyclist has overtaken him on his left and the
cycle lane that he wants to cross is clear?

Does the Highway Code describe the rules for this situation?

The biggest vehicle rules, that puts cyclists at the bottom of the
pecking order where they rightfully belong.

I am a cyclist, I am also a motorist, as are many of the posters in
this ng.

If you are driving a car and want to see something really funny, slow
down to a walking pace in front of an HGV on a hill, than zoom off.
Takes the poor bugger ages to get up the hill after that.
:-)

On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 02:35:05 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be NM
wrote this:-

On 6 Apr, 07:45, "Mortimer" wrote:
I saw a roundabout yesterday which had a green cycle lane around the edge -
between the outer kerb and the lane for cars/lorries/buses. This started me
wondering who has priority over whom when a car in the inner lane (closer to
the centre of the roundabout) wants to leave the roundabout and there is a
cyclist on his left wanting to go straight on and leave at a later exit.

Normally the situation wouldn't arise because on a roundabout with more than
one lane the driver wanting to turn left would be required to position
himself on the *left* of the one wanting to go straight on or turn right,
but in this case the lane markings demand the opposite positioning.

Should the cyclist give way to the car because one should never overtake a
vehicle that is indicating to turn towards the side on which you are
contemplating overtaking? Or should the car driver stop in the middle of the
roundabout and wait until the cyclist has overtaken him on his left and the
cycle lane that he wants to cross is clear?

Does the Highway Code describe the rules for this situation?

The biggest vehicle rules,

The Highway Code says differently and so does the law.

The Highway Code is being slowly revised. At the behest of the road
"safety" lobby it used to advise cyclists to cycle around the
outside of roundabouts, where these lanes are placed. All part of
the "let's get those dammed cyclists out of the way" mentality.

The fact that this puts cyclists in the most dangerous position has
been pointed out strongly. The road "safety" lobby can't admit that
they advised people to do something more dangerous, so they are
slowly reversing their recommendations with every version of the
Highway Code in the hope that nobody notices their U-turn. At the
moment the Highway Code advises cyclists to traverse a roundabout in
the same way as motorists and then adds some guff about what a
cyclist should do if they feel they want to ride around the outside.

Cyclists are well advised to ignore any kamikaze lanes around the
outside of a roundabout and instead traverse the roundabout using
the appropriate general traffic lane, cycling in the middle of the
lane. Spiral marking is a help. See Cyclecraft.

There are some motorists who are too stupid or impatient to cope
with this, but they are a minority.

that puts cyclists at the bottom of the
pecking order where they rightfully belong.

Nice try, but wrong.




--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
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On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 11:11:26 +0100, David Hansen
wrote:

On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 02:35:05 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be NM
wrote this:-

On 6 Apr, 07:45, "Mortimer" wrote:
I saw a roundabout yesterday which had a green cycle lane around the edge -
between the outer kerb and the lane for cars/lorries/buses. This started me
wondering who has priority over whom when a car in the inner lane (closer to
the centre of the roundabout) wants to leave the roundabout and there is a
cyclist on his left wanting to go straight on and leave at a later exit.

Normally the situation wouldn't arise because on a roundabout with more than
one lane the driver wanting to turn left would be required to position
himself on the *left* of the one wanting to go straight on or turn right,
but in this case the lane markings demand the opposite positioning.

Should the cyclist give way to the car because one should never overtake a
vehicle that is indicating to turn towards the side on which you are
contemplating overtaking? Or should the car driver stop in the middle of the
roundabout and wait until the cyclist has overtaken him on his left and the
cycle lane that he wants to cross is clear?

Does the Highway Code describe the rules for this situation?

The biggest vehicle rules,

The Highway Code says differently and so does the law.

snip

At the
moment the Highway Code advises cyclists to traverse a roundabout in
the same way as motorists and then adds some guff about what a
cyclist should do if they feel they want to ride around the outside.

Doesn't it recommend that you use the left hand lane all the way round
- and signal as you approach each exit as to what your intentions are.

This would tie in with cycle lanes being put around the periphery of
the roundabout and makes sense.

Also - I think it recommends that if you are unsure - then you get off
and walk round.


Seems sensible to me.
--

The BMA view of helmets:

The BMA (British Medical Association) urges legislation to make the wearing of cycle helmets compulsory for both adults and children.

The evidence from those countries where compulsory cycle helmet use has already been introduced is that such legislation has a beneficial effect on cycle-related deaths and head injuries. This strongly supports the case for introducing legislation in the UK. Such legislation should result in a reduction in the morbidity and mortality associated with cycling accidents.

On 6 Apr, 11:11, David Hansen wrote:


Cyclists are well advised to ignore any kamikaze lanes around the
outside of a roundabout and instead traverse the roundabout using
the appropriate general traffic lane, cycling in the middle of the
lane. Spiral marking is a help. See Cyclecraft.

Just how would the cyclist make out in court if they failed to use the
facilities provided especially for them and an accident ensued that
could have been avoided.


There are some motorists who are too stupid or impatient to cope
with this, but they are a minority.

that puts cyclists at the bottom of the
pecking order where they rightfully belong.


Well it would be a brave cyclist that would tough it out against any
motor vehicle, when on my motorcycle I always obey the rule that
'might is right', maybe it's technically wrong but you are a long time
dead. You could have "Well I was in the right" inscribed on your
headstone I suppose.

Thus that makes in practical terms the cyclist at the bottom of the
pecking order of road users.

Brian Robertson wrote:
NM wrote:
Does the Highway Code describe the rules for this situation?
The biggest vehicle rules, that puts cyclists at the bottom of the
pecking order where they rightfully belong.

A fine example of a scummy petrol-head admitting that he believes he has the
right to intimidate, injure, and even kill cyclists if they get in his way.

He's just trying to wind u.r.c up. I don't think he believes that at
all. He's become the troll that Doug made, which is a shame.

Roger Thorpe

Roger Thorpe wrote:
Brian Robertson wrote:
NM wrote:
Does the Highway Code describe the rules for this situation?
The biggest vehicle rules, that puts cyclists at the bottom of the
pecking order where they rightfully belong.

A fine example of a scummy petrol-head admitting that he believes he
has the right to intimidate, injure, and even kill cyclists if they
get in his way.
He's just trying to wind u.r.c up. I don't think he believes that at
all. He's become the troll that Doug made, which is a shame.

Roger Thorpe

All of the pro-road lobby on usenet have become the troll that Doug made,
sadly. There isn't a decent conversation to be had from any of them. Brain
dead numbskulls.

NM wrote:
On 6 Apr, 11:11, David Hansen wrote:


Cyclists are well advised to ignore any kamikaze lanes around the
outside of a roundabout and instead traverse the roundabout using
the appropriate general traffic lane, cycling in the middle of the
lane. Spiral marking is a help. See Cyclecraft.

Just how would the cyclist make out in court if they failed to use the
facilities provided especially for them and an accident ensued that
could have been avoided.


There are some motorists who are too stupid or impatient to cope
with this, but they are a minority.

that puts cyclists at the bottom of the
pecking order where they rightfully belong.


Well it would be a brave cyclist that would tough it out against any
motor vehicle, when on my motorcycle I always obey the rule that
'might is right', maybe it's technically wrong but you are a long time
dead. You could have "Well I was in the right" inscribed on your
headstone I suppose.

Thus that makes in practical terms the cyclist at the bottom of the
pecking order of road users.

Ah a motorcyclist as well! lol The only class of road users that make
drivers of BMWs and Mercedes seem considerate and sensible by comparison.