Riding up Oliver's Hill to be barred

Frankston Leader
http://www.frankstonleader.com.au/article/2007/03/12/11384_fsv_news.html]

RIDING UP OLIVERS HILL TO BE BARRED


12Mar07

SOUTH-BOUND CYCLISTS WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BE BARRED FROM RIDING OVER
OLIVERS HILL, FRANKSTON, VIA THE NEPEAN HIGHWAY.
A sign that advises cyclists to cross via Hopes Rise, beside the
Nepean Highway, will be changed to compel their use of the detour.
Sgt Bruce Buchan, of Frankston traffic police, said last
Thursday that Hopes Rise was safer for cyclists and VicRoads planned to
enforce the change.
Olivers Hill is crossed by hundreds of sporting cyclists in each
Saturday morning's ``hell ride'' from inner-Melbourne bayside suburbs
to Mt Eliza.
Some hell riders avoid Hopes Rise, which has a number of speed
humps, but Frankston police have been directing them to the detour.
A Queensland rider who broke from a south-bound pack of cyclists
on Saturday, March 3, to climb the hill via the highway faces a $140
infringement notice or a court summons for having defied a policeman's
lawful direction. [/color]

On the face of it not a bad idea in this particular case. What are the
ramifications for other roads where the advisory signs directing
cyclists off the main highway through more dangerous routes? There's
one particular case on Princes Highway that springs to mind.


--
EuanB

$140 big ones for breaking away from the pack? No chance we'll see Vino
on the Hell Ride


--
gplama

On Mar 15, 1:36 pm, EuanB EuanB.2ng...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com wrote:
Frankston Leader
http://www.frankstonleader.com.au/article/2007/03/12/11384_fsv_news.html]

RIDING UP OLIVERS HILL TO BE BARRED

12Mar07

SOUTH-BOUND CYCLISTS WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BE BARRED FROM RIDING OVER
OLIVERS HILL, FRANKSTON, VIA THE NEPEAN HIGHWAY.
A sign that advises cyclists to cross via Hopes Rise, beside the
Nepean Highway, will be changed to compel their use of the detour.
Sgt Bruce Buchan, of Frankston traffic police, said last
Thursday that Hopes Rise was safer for cyclists and VicRoads planned to
enforce the change.
Olivers Hill is crossed by hundreds of sporting cyclists in each
Saturday morning's ``hell ride'' from inner-Melbourne bayside suburbs
to Mt Eliza.
Some hell riders avoid Hopes Rise, which has a number of speed
humps, but Frankston police have been directing them to the detour.
A Queensland rider who broke from a south-bound pack of cyclists
on Saturday, March 3, to climb the hill via the highway faces a $140
infringement notice or a court summons for having defied a policeman's
lawful direction.

On the face of it not a bad idea in this particular case. What are the
ramifications for other roads where the advisory signs directing
cyclists off the main highway through more dangerous routes? There's
one particular case on Princes Highway that springs to mind.[/color]

Interesting to see if it's actually legal to force riders off a normal
road. If there's a police direction, that's one thing, but a
permanent rule? Is it legal on normal roadways to prohibit a class of
vehicle?

It's interesting to note a change to the signs on the Western Freeway
in Brisbane. The "Bicycles" item in the list of what is not allowed
has been deleted. There's a very fine bikeway next to the freeway, but
still they have allowed bikes back on. Wot? Someone's had a win, but
it's odd. I can't imagine anyone riding on it, except the very
stubborn.

Donga

Bleve Wrote:
Is it legal on normal roadways to prohibit a class of vehicle?

Speaking of.... I sooooooo want to break out the TT bike on the Eastern
Freeway! That'd be one wicked run!


--
gplama

Bleve Wrote:
On Mar 15, 1:36 pm, EuanB EuanB.2ng...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com wrote:
Frankston Leader





http://www.frankstonleader.com.au/article/2007/03/12/11384_fsv_news.html]

RIDING UP OLIVERS HILL TO BE BARRED

12Mar07

SOUTH-BOUND CYCLISTS WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BE BARRED FROM RIDING
OVER
OLIVERS HILL, FRANKSTON, VIA THE NEPEAN HIGHWAY.
A sign that advises cyclists to cross via Hopes Rise, beside the
Nepean Highway, will be changed to compel their use of the detour.
Sgt Bruce Buchan, of Frankston traffic police, said last
Thursday that Hopes Rise was safer for cyclists and VicRoads
planned to
enforce the change.
Olivers Hill is crossed by hundreds of sporting cyclists in each
Saturday morning's ``hell ride'' from inner-Melbourne bayside
suburbs
to Mt Eliza.
Some hell riders avoid Hopes Rise, which has a number of speed
humps, but Frankston police have been directing them to the
detour.
A Queensland rider who broke from a south-bound pack of cyclists
on Saturday, March 3, to climb the hill via the highway faces a
$140
infringement notice or a court summons for having defied a
policeman's
lawful direction.

On the face of it not a bad idea in this particular case. What are
the
ramifications for other roads where the advisory signs directing
cyclists off the main highway through more dangerous routes?
There's
one particular case on Princes Highway that springs to mind.

Interesting to see if it's actually legal to force riders off a normal
road. If there's a police direction, that's one thing, but a
permanent rule? Is it legal on normal roadways to prohibit a class of
vehicle?It's legal to prevent trucks on certain roads (weight / size limits) and[/color]
to prevent bikes on some freeways, so it MAY be possible.


--
roshea

In aus.bicycle on 14 Mar 2007 20:38:11 -0700
Bleve wrote:

Interesting to see if it's actually legal to force riders off a normal
road. If there's a police direction, that's one thing, but a
permanent rule? Is it legal on normal roadways to prohibit a class of
vehicle?

Most freeways in most states prohibit animals and animal-drawn vehicles.
Some prohibit bicycles on part or all.

Some roads have weight limits, some have size limits. Don't see why
they can't be about underweight as well as overweight

Zebee

gplama wrote:
Bleve Wrote:
Is it legal on normal roadways to prohibit a class of vehicle?

Speaking of.... I sooooooo want to break out the TT bike on the Eastern
Freeway! That'd be one wicked run!

Wait until they finish Eastlink, then maybe they will have an "open
day" for non-vehicular traffic like they did with the Eastern. 90km
out and back.

On Mar 15, 2:47 pm, roshea roshea.2ng...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com wrote:[i]
Bleve Wrote:

On Mar 15, 1:36 pm, EuanB EuanB.2ng...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com wrote:
Frankston Leader


http://www.frankstonleader.com.au/article/2007/03/12/11384_fsv_news.html]

RIDING UP OLIVERS HILL TO BE BARRED

12Mar07

SOUTH-BOUND CYCLISTS WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BE BARRED FROM RIDING
OVER
OLIVERS HILL, FRANKSTON, VIA THE NEPEAN HIGHWAY.
A sign that advises cyclists to cross via Hopes Rise, beside the
Nepean Highway, will be changed to compel their use of the detour.
Sgt Bruce Buchan, of Frankston traffic police, said last
Thursday that Hopes Rise was safer for cyclists and VicRoads
planned to
enforce the change.
Olivers Hill is crossed by hundreds of sporting cyclists in each
Saturday morning's ``hell ride'' from inner-Melbourne bayside
suburbs
to Mt Eliza.
Some hell riders avoid Hopes Rise, which has a number of speed
humps, but Frankston police have been directing them to the
detour.
A Queensland rider who broke from a south-bound pack of cyclists
on Saturday, March 3, to climb the hill via the highway faces a
$140
infringement notice or a court summons for having defied a
policeman's
lawful direction.

On the face of it not a bad idea in this particular case. What are
the
ramifications for other roads where the advisory signs directing
cyclists off the main highway through more dangerous routes?
There's
one particular case on Princes Highway that springs to mind.

Interesting to see if it's actually legal to force riders off a normal
road. If there's a police direction, that's one thing, but a
permanent rule? Is it legal on normal roadways to prohibit a class of
vehicle?It's legal to prevent trucks on certain roads (weight / size limits) and

to prevent bikes on some freeways, so it MAY be possible.

--
roshea


Of course it is possible to prohibit vehicles. In this case, it is
much safer
to ride up Hopes Rise. You are looking at 80km/hr car traffic coming
around a bend
straight at you when you are doing around 40km/hr if you are Lance
Armstrong, and
about 15km/hr if you are me.

Makes perfect sense to me. I always ride up this way, and would not
even think
of taking the alternative.

On Mar 15, 2:46 pm, gplama gplama.2ng...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com wrote:
Bleve Wrote:

Is it legal on normal roadways to prohibit a class of vehicle?

Speaking of.... I sooooooo want to break out the TT bike on the Eastern
Freeway! That'd be one wicked run!

--
gplama

I've always wanted to do a one exit run on a freeway, i.e. pick an
appropriate section (preferrably down hill) with good shoulder and go
down it, you could be on and off in a minute.

For example Blackburn to Forster Rds on the southeastern, downhill and
~1km long.