#171
|
|||
|
|||
Ed Dolan and Mistaken Notions
On Mar 30, 2:34*pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote: On 3/28/2011 11:44 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T m Sherm nT _ " *wrote in ... *On 3/28/2011 10:41 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: [...] *The crusades were pay back for Muslim aggression against Christian *Europe, *but what does Mr. Sherman know of that. *More like smelly European barbarians attacking the more civilized Arabs. The Arabs should be rounded up and corralled back to the Arabian Peninsula from whence they came. They are fit only for the desolate places of the world. [...] Here is how "civilized westerners" behave: snip TLDR. JS. |
Ads |
#172
|
|||
|
|||
Ed Dolan and Mistaken Notions
"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" " wrote in message ... On 3/28/2011 10:54 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T?m Sherm?nT " wrote in ... On 3/28/2011 8:25 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: [...] Proof positive that Tom Sherman is a loon! The only ones I know about who are going about the world murdering innocent civilians with bombs are Muslims. Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza... Justifiable warfare - a no brainer.[...] Pat Buchanan is one of the few who is not afraid of the Zionist liars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02FKf2qACHA&feature=related. Too bad real conservatives like Buchanan have been marginalized by the neocons in the Republican Party. Pat Buchanan is an anti-Semite, the same as you are. I parted company with him many years ago over many divers issues. However, I never tire of listening to his views. He is intelligent and provocative. But I do not agree with him on many issues anymore. He does not really belong on MSNBC. His natural home would be Fox News. I would categorize myself as a neocon. I want to kick ass all over the world which is what I think the world needs. Buchanan is essentially an isolationist. It has been proven over and over again that such an attitude does not work. The US is like the Roman Empire. We are involved all over the world whether we want to be or not. Obama and the liberal Dems are a disaster for this nation. He has to go. I can't wait to vote against him and his cohorts yet once again. Buchanan with his issues is simply irrelevant ... as are you. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
#173
|
|||
|
|||
Ed Dolan and Mistaken Notions
"James" wrote in message
... On Mar 30, 2:34 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI $southslope.net" wrote: On 3/28/2011 11:44 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: [...] The crusades were pay back for Muslim aggression against Christian Europe, but what does Mr. Sherman know of that. More like smelly European barbarians attacking the more civilized Arabs. The Arabs should be rounded up and corralled back to the Arabian Peninsula from whence they came. They are fit only for the desolate places of the world. [...] Here is how "civilized westerners" behave: snip TLDR. James only enjoys muttering to himself. How do you ever get to be such an idiot? -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
#174
|
|||
|
|||
Ed Dolan and Mistaken Notions
On 3/30/2011 12:07 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T�m Sherm�nT " wrote in message ... On 3/28/2011 10:54 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T?m Sherm?nT " wrote in ... On 3/28/2011 8:25 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: [...] Proof positive that Tom Sherman is a loon! The only ones I know about who are going about the world murdering innocent civilians with bombs are Muslims. Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza... Justifiable warfare - a no brainer. [...] Here is a video of how civilized Zionists act: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxdaHM7rgag&feature=player_embedded. Could only view it for 1 minute. It is nothing but propaganda. If I were in charge of Israeli foreign policy I would exterminate the Palestinians like the termites that they are. They have no right to Palestine since they were defeated in every war they ever fought. Why Israel does not wipe them off the face of the earth is beyond me. Jordan is their true homeland. They can either go there or perish. Here is an Israeli Zionist defending his country: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2ZxAwZ4SMU&feature=player_embedded. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
#175
|
|||
|
|||
Ed Dolan and Mistaken Notions
"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" " wrote in
message ... On 3/30/2011 12:07 AM, Edward Dolan wrote: [...] Could only view it for 1 minute. It is nothing but propaganda. If I were in charge of Israeli foreign policy I would exterminate the Palestinians like the termites that they are. They have no right to Palestine since they were defeated in every war they ever fought. Why Israel does not wipe them off the face of the earth is beyond me. Jordan is their true homeland. They can either go there or perish. Here is an Israeli Zionist defending his country: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2ZxAwZ4SMU&feature=player_embedded. Three idiots blathering about rubbish. Why the hell don't you view Bill O'Reilly on Fox News who is by far the most sensible commentator on TV. For more serious punditry, you can't beat Krauthammer. The only crimes being committed are by the Palestinians. I say kill them all not even sparing the women and children. Yea, I like the Old Testament where the Jews slaughtered their enemies whole without a second thought. Those were truly the good old days! -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
#176
|
|||
|
|||
Tom Sherman, Donkeys, & Hominid Posteriors
On Mar 28, 5:10*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 28, 12:27 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] There are dozens of ways to explain any historical phenomena. If you had ever read any history, you would know that. [...] Dearest Ed: Well, I guess that I will have to go slowly since this seems to be a difficult topic that people don't know much about. The idea of grouping emerges from the obvious, which is that there aren't any identical things, mathematically or physically. Not even one thing can be identical to itself. So, grouping or categorizing is basically putting together those things that are similar but have differences between each other. All groups have *difference and various subgroups that can continue to be divided almost endlessly. Human groups in particular have tremendous differences, so assertions of uniformity are simply lack of information. We are already off to a bad start. All the social sciences are based on identifying commonalities. Furthermore, it is common observance that everyone identifies according to group criteria, not individual differences which hardly count at all in the grand scheme of things. Judaism as group is rich and varied, and arguing that all Jews are Zionists is not acknowledging that people have different histories within the large Jewish group. Any historical examination of Judaism reveals all these differences. What do all Jews have in common? That is the only question I am interested in. Aside from the fact that they denominate themselves as Jews, some of them have nothing in common with each other. Two people can give themselves a denomination and be so radically different from each other that they won't even be able to talk. In fact, the word Jew, or American or Xtian, or European or whatever else can be interpreted so overwhelmingly different that the only commonality is haveing two feet, arms, torso and head. Major subgroups of Judaism are Ashkenazi (Eastern European); Sephardi (Semitic, Arabic); Persian; African. There are the Crypto Jews and probably several other smaller groups. Zionism emerges in Europe in the late 1800s with Theodor Hertzl, as a European (Ashkenazi movement). The principle behind it was that European Jews should find a place in the world where they could live in peace, since Europe had not been too friendly to them. The movement gains support from wealthy Jews particularly in Britain and they consider places where Britain has power over as possible locations for a Jewish country. Two of the places considered are Argentina and Kenya. While Palestine is casually considered at this point, it was under the Turkish protectorate and it had little chance of succeeding. Moreover Ashkenazim visitors to Palestine find Arab Jews not to their liking and consider them inferior since they were mostly farmers. The vast majority of Eastern European Jews had no idea of the Zionist movement nor they had any desire to move to the middle east. Most immigration was to the US, Argentina and Mexico. Only when Palestine falls under the British mandate in 1922, there is serious consideration of moving to Palestine, and the Zionist movement emerges. Still, it does not gain popularity until the 1930s when Jew begin to get rounded up into ghettos first, and then concentration camps. Before the 30s, most Jews had never heard of a Zionist movement and Persian, African and Zephardi Jews were not part of this movement since they originally had not intention to move away from their homelands. It was essentially an upper class Ashkenazi initiative. Those European Jews with resources were able to buy their way to Palestine during WW2, and in in the 40s an organized Zionist movement emerges in Europe. Assume you have the history right. So what? Palestine was the only logical place for a Jewish state since it was the land of the Jews from time immemorial. A Jew with a brain in his head is going to be a Zionist whether he wants to live there or not. Any other way of thinking about it is an absurdity. It is? Jews have lived all over the map from time immemorial. The vast majority never lived in Palestine and they still live all over the place. The idea that Jews belong in Palestine is a contemporary US- Brit government idea share by many, but not all. This was a very simplified history that has many more nuances. If you know of an alternative history of Judaism or interpretation of it, I like to hear it, since, as you say, there are multiple histories o interpretations of it. I'll be glad to refer you to my sources if you like. In the meanwhile, I'll shut the **** up as you suggest. But, if you can't articulate an alternative history, I suggest that you shut the **** up too, not because your opinions bother me, but because you truly sound like an ignorant dumbass. Your ****ing history lesson is irrelevant to what matters. I am dealing with the facts on the ground. No one in this world cares what an Arab sympathizer and an anti-Zionist like you think since it is prejudicial in the extreme.. Go join Tom Sherman why don't you. He is an Arab lover and a Jew hater just like you. The only difference between the two of you is that his history is even more irrelevant than yours. Unfortunately you don't know the facts on the ground. I just gave them to you. Instead, you provide suppositions based on intuition and opinion instead of logic and fact. It is absolutely ok to suppose and opine which is essentially all you do. You have every right to do this. However, attempting to pass these as facts and universal truths makes you appear very unsophisticated. Worse of all, when you proceed to insult people who don't agree with you, you sound like Jim Beam and the man from South Afrika. Insults as a substitute for knowledge are the recourse of the ignorami. I remember a show about the horse who could talk. You can certainly write. But, but, but.....the horse in the show was quite sharp. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
#177
|
|||
|
|||
Tom Sherman, Donkeys, & Hominid Posteriors
wrote in message
... On Mar 28, 5:10 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] What do all Jews have in common? That is the only question I am interested in. Aside from the fact that they denominate themselves as Jews, some of them have nothing in common with each other. Two people can give themselves a denomination and be so radically different from each other that they won't even be able to talk. In fact, the word Jew, or American or Xtian, or European or whatever else can be interpreted so overwhelmingly different that the only commonality is haveing two feet, arms, torso and head. A reduction ad absurdum argument. I still only want to know what all Jews have in common. Either tell me or shut the **** up. I KNOW what all Jews have in common, but I am testing your intelligence. Maybe Tom Sherman could tell us since he thinks he knows everything. [...] Assume you have the history right. So what? Palestine was the only logical place for a Jewish state since it was the land of the Jews from time immemorial. A Jew with a brain in his head is going to be a Zionist whether he wants to live there or not. Any other way of thinking about it is an absurdity. It is? Jews have lived all over the map from time immemorial. The vast majority never lived in Palestine and they still live all over the place. The idea that Jews belong in Palestine is a contemporary US- Brit government idea share by many, but not all. Pick up the Bible and read the Old Testament. Were you born yesterday? [...] Your ****ing history lesson is irrelevant to what matters. I am dealing with the facts on the ground. No one in this world cares what an Arab sympathizer and an anti-Zionist like you think since it is prejudicial in the extreme. Go join Tom Sherman why don't you. He is an Arab lover and a Jew hater just like you. The only difference between the two of you is that his history is even more irrelevant than yours. Unfortunately you don't know the facts on the ground. I just gave them to you. Instead, you provide suppositions based on intuition and opinion instead of logic and fact. It is absolutely ok to suppose and opine which is essentially all you do. You have every right to do this. However, attempting to pass these as facts and universal truths makes you appear very unsophisticated. Worse of all, when you proceed to insult people who don't agree with you, you sound like Jim Beam and the man from South Afrika. Insults as a substitute for knowledge are the recourse of the ignorami. I don't much like anti-Semites ever since the Holocaust. Apparently some of you jerks think it is OK to be anti-Zionist. They are one and the same thing no matter what ****ing history you dredge up. Insulting idiots is what I do on Usenet. I have been insulting Tom Sherman for over 5 years but it rolls off him like water off a duck's back. Anyone who takes offense at anything that is said on Usenet is TRULY an idiot! Usenet is strictly for fun and games. I have known that from day one. If you want friendly conversation I suggest one of the social media like Facebook. I wouldn't be caught dead on such tripe, but maybe that is just me. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
#178
|
|||
|
|||
Tom Sherman, Donkeys, & Hominid Posteriors
On Mar 30, 5:40*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 28, 5:10 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] What do all Jews have in common? That is the only question I am interested in. Aside from the fact that they denominate themselves as Jews, some of them have nothing in common with each other. Two people can give themselves a denomination and be so radically different from each other that they won't even be able to talk. In fact, the word Jew, or American or Xtian, or European or whatever else can be interpreted so overwhelmingly different that the only commonality is haveing two feet, arms, torso and head. A reduction ad absurdum argument. I still only want to know what all Jews have in common. Either tell me or shut the **** up. I KNOW what all Jews have in common, but I am testing your intelligence. Maybe Tom Sherman could tell us since he thinks he knows everything. [...] Assume you have the history right. So what? Palestine was the only logical place for a Jewish state since it was the land of the Jews from time immemorial. A Jew with a brain in his head is going to be a Zionist whether he wants to live there or not. Any other way of thinking about it is an absurdity. It is? Jews have lived all over the map from time immemorial. The vast majority never lived in Palestine and they still live all over the place. The idea that Jews belong in Palestine is a contemporary US- Brit government idea share by many, but not all. Pick up the Bible and read the Old Testament. Were you born yesterday? The bible? Ahhh! In that case, you really got me. I really don't know much about the bible. For one, the bible is not the book of the Jewish religion. The torah is and I also don't know much about it either. The Torah says that the earth is about 4500 years old, that god crated the heavens and the earth in 6 days, that he made the first man from clay and took a rib out of him and made a woman. Do you believe this? I guess that you don't believe in ancient civilizations, dinosaurs, Pithecanthropus, Neanderthal, etc. You probably think that the earth is flat. The Torah does not say that Jews lived in Palestine since immemorial times. Abraham heard voices from God sending Abraham to Canaan. The Torah also says that Jews lived in Egypt for many years before they move to Canaan. So, historically, they only lived in Palestine for about 1200 years. Considering that the earth is billions of years old, 1200 years is nothing. Plus ownership of land is not something that is recognized worldwide as something given by god. Now, if you are Jewish and you believe in a god that talked to people and made them the chosen ones and gave them land that is up to you. There is no historical record of the events related in the bible. It is a book of myths. The old testament or Torah, was written by 5 separate authors between 1000 and 2000 BC. They hail from different lands and tell different stories regularly contradicting themselves. The god of Abraham was fairly benevolent even though he sent him to kill his child. The Gods of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah were homicidal maniacs that nuked entire civilizations, according to the Torah. So was the God of the Egyptian Jews who murdered the first born son of all Egyptian families. If you believe in that god, great. Well, I am Jewish and I don't believe in any god or any book of myths written in ancient times. Your ****ing history lesson is irrelevant to what matters. I am dealing with the facts on the ground. No one in this world cares what an Arab sympathizer and an anti-Zionist like you think since it is prejudicial in the extreme. Go join Tom Sherman why don't you. He is an Arab lover and a Jew hater just like you. The only difference between the two of you is that his history is even more irrelevant than yours. Unfortunately you don't know the facts on the ground. I just gave them to you. Instead, you provide suppositions based on intuition and opinion instead of logic and fact. It is absolutely ok to suppose and opine which is essentially all you do. You have every right to do this. However, attempting to pass these as facts and universal truths makes you appear very unsophisticated. Worse of all, when you proceed to insult people who don't agree with you, you sound like Jim Beam and the man from South Afrika. Insults as a substitute for knowledge are the recourse of the ignorami. I don't much like anti-Semites ever since the Holocaust. Apparently some of you jerks think it is OK to be anti-Zionist. They are one and the same thing no matter what ****ing history you dredge up. Insulting idiots is what I do on Usenet. I have been insulting Tom Sherman for over 5 years but it rolls off him like water off a duck's back. Anyone who takes offense at anything that is said on Usenet is TRULY an idiot! I don't take offense with being called an ****ing idiot. My wife does that all the time and so have my brothers for over 40 years. I am simply saying that insulting people in discussions about history is the recourse of the ignorami. Plus, I am a lot more sophisticated than you. I have compared you with some such Afrikaner and with Jim Beam. You must admit that at least my insults are way worse that yours. Usenet is strictly for fun and games. I have known that from day one. If you want friendly conversation I suggest one of the social media like Facebook. I wouldn't be caught dead on such tripe, but maybe that is just me. me too. I am having a blast. I never get to talk about this so its a good opportunity. In the process, I educate you too. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
#179
|
|||
|
|||
Tom Sherman, Donkeys, & Hominid Posteriors
wrote in message
... On Mar 30, 5:40 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Pick up the Bible and read the Old Testament. Were you born yesterday? The bible? Ahhh! In that case, you really got me. I really don't know much about the bible. For one, the bible is not the book of the Jewish religion. The torah is and I also don't know much about it either. The Torah says that the earth is about 4500 years old, that god crated the heavens and the earth in 6 days, that he made the first man from clay and took a rib out of him and made a woman. Do you believe this? I guess that you don't believe in ancient civilizations, dinosaurs, Pithecanthropus, Neanderthal, etc. You probably think that the earth is flat. The Torah does not say that Jews lived in Palestine since immemorial times. Abraham heard voices from God sending Abraham to Canaan. The Torah also says that Jews lived in Egypt for many years before they move to Canaan. So, historically, they only lived in Palestine for about 1200 years. Considering that the earth is billions of years old, 1200 years is nothing. Plus ownership of land is not something that is recognized worldwide as something given by god. Now, if you are Jewish and you believe in a god that talked to people and made them the chosen ones and gave them land that is up to you. There is no historical record of the events related in the bible. It is a book of myths. The old testament or Torah, was written by 5 separate authors between 1000 and 2000 BC. They hail from different lands and tell different stories regularly contradicting themselves. The god of Abraham was fairly benevolent even though he sent him to kill his child. The Gods of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah were homicidal maniacs that nuked entire civilizations, according to the Torah. So was the God of the Egyptian Jews who murdered the first born son of all Egyptian families. If you believe in that god, great. Well, I am Jewish and I don't believe in any god or any book of myths written in ancient times. Suspicions confirmed ... poor Andres is indeed an idiot. Like all idiots, he gets lost in the trees and misses the forest. [...] I don't take offense with being called an ****ing idiot. My wife does that all the time and so have my brothers for over 40 years. I am simply saying that insulting people in discussions about history is the recourse of the ignorami. Plus, I am a lot more sophisticated than you. I have compared you with some such Afrikaner and with Jim Beam. You must admit that at least my insults are way worse that yours. No one in the world understands your insults (with the possible exception of Tom Sherman). You are a loser on every count so far. Usenet is strictly for fun and games. I have known that from day one. If you want friendly conversation I suggest one of the social media like Facebook. I wouldn't be caught dead on such tripe, but maybe that is just me. me too. I am having a blast. I never get to talk about this so its a good opportunity. In the process, I educate you too. Here is the one and only thing you ever need to know about the Jews. They are the people of the Book par excellence. It is what holds them together despite all differences. Without the Book, they would have disappeared thousands of years ago like all the other ancient peoples. Now at least you know something worth knowing. One other thing, you should leave secularism and atheism to former Roman Catholics like myself. It is very unbecoming of a Jew to ever depart from the ways of his ancestors. Is there nothing sacred in this world? -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
#180
|
|||
|
|||
Tom Sherman, Donkeys, & Hominid Posteriors
-snipsnipsnip-
wrote: -snip- The Gods of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah were homicidal maniacs Andres, thanks for mentioning these: http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/sodom.jpg -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|