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  #171  
Old March 30th 11, 06:49 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mar 30, 2:34*pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 3/28/2011 11:44 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:

"T m Sherm nT _ " *wrote in
...
*On 3/28/2011 10:41 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]
*The crusades were pay back for Muslim aggression against Christian
*Europe,
*but what does Mr. Sherman know of that.


*More like smelly European barbarians attacking the more civilized Arabs.

The Arabs should be rounded up and corralled back to the Arabian Peninsula
from whence they came. They are fit only for the desolate places of the
world. [...]


Here is how "civilized westerners" behave:


snip

TLDR.

JS.
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  #172  
Old March 30th 11, 07:14 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
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"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" " wrote in
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On 3/28/2011 10:54 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T?m Sherm?nT " wrote in
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On 3/28/2011 8:25 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]
Proof positive that Tom Sherman is a loon! The only ones I know
about who
are going about the world murdering innocent civilians with bombs
are
Muslims.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza...

Justifiable warfare - a no brainer.[...]


Pat Buchanan is one of the few who is not afraid of the Zionist liars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02FKf2qACHA&feature=related. Too bad
real conservatives like Buchanan have been marginalized by the neocons in
the Republican Party.


Pat Buchanan is an anti-Semite, the same as you are. I parted company with
him many years ago over many divers issues.

However, I never tire of listening to his views. He is intelligent and
provocative. But I do not agree with him on many issues anymore. He does not
really belong on MSNBC. His natural home would be Fox News.

I would categorize myself as a neocon. I want to kick ass all over the world
which is what I think the world needs. Buchanan is essentially an
isolationist. It has been proven over and over again that such an attitude
does not work. The US is like the Roman Empire. We are involved all over the
world whether we want to be or not.

Obama and the liberal Dems are a disaster for this nation. He has to go. I
can't wait to vote against him and his cohorts yet once again. Buchanan with
his issues is simply irrelevant ... as are you.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota





  #173  
Old March 30th 11, 08:38 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
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"James" wrote in message
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On Mar 30, 2:34 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 3/28/2011 11:44 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]
The crusades were pay back for Muslim aggression against Christian
Europe,
but what does Mr. Sherman know of that.


More like smelly European barbarians attacking the more civilized
Arabs.


The Arabs should be rounded up and corralled back to the Arabian
Peninsula
from whence they came. They are fit only for the desolate places of the
world. [...]


Here is how "civilized westerners" behave:


snip


TLDR.


James only enjoys muttering to himself. How do you ever get to be such an
idiot?

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



  #174  
Old March 30th 11, 08:54 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
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On 3/30/2011 12:07 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T�m Sherm�nT " wrote in
message ...
On 3/28/2011 10:54 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T?m Sherm?nT " wrote in
...
On 3/28/2011 8:25 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Proof positive that Tom Sherman is a loon! The only ones I know
about who
are going about the world murdering innocent civilians with bombs
are
Muslims.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza...
Justifiable warfare - a no brainer. [...]


Here is a video of how civilized Zionists act:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxdaHM7rgag&feature=player_embedded.


Could only view it for 1 minute. It is nothing but propaganda. If I were in
charge of Israeli foreign policy I would exterminate the Palestinians like
the termites that they are. They have no right to Palestine since they were
defeated in every war they ever fought. Why Israel does not wipe them off
the face of the earth is beyond me. Jordan is their true homeland. They can
either go there or perish.


Here is an Israeli Zionist defending his country:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2ZxAwZ4SMU&feature=player_embedded.

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  #175  
Old March 30th 11, 09:33 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
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"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" " wrote in
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On 3/30/2011 12:07 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]
Could only view it for 1 minute. It is nothing but propaganda. If I were
in
charge of Israeli foreign policy I would exterminate the Palestinians
like
the termites that they are. They have no right to Palestine since they
were
defeated in every war they ever fought. Why Israel does not wipe them off
the face of the earth is beyond me. Jordan is their true homeland. They
can
either go there or perish.


Here is an Israeli Zionist defending his country:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2ZxAwZ4SMU&feature=player_embedded.


Three idiots blathering about rubbish. Why the hell don't you view Bill
O'Reilly on Fox News who is by far the most sensible commentator on TV. For
more serious punditry, you can't beat Krauthammer.

The only crimes being committed are by the Palestinians. I say kill them all
not even sparing the women and children. Yea, I like the Old Testament where
the Jews slaughtered their enemies whole without a second thought. Those
were truly the good old days!

--
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aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #176  
Old March 30th 11, 10:37 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mar 28, 5:10*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
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...
On Mar 28, 12:27 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...] There are dozens of ways to explain any historical phenomena. If you had
ever read any history, you would know that.


[...]

Dearest Ed:
Well, I guess that I will have to go slowly since this seems to be a


difficult topic that people don't know much about.

The idea of grouping emerges from the obvious, which is that there


aren't any identical things, mathematically or physically. Not even
one thing can be identical to itself. So, grouping or categorizing is
basically putting together those things that are similar but have
differences between each other. All groups have *difference and
various subgroups that can continue to be divided almost endlessly.
Human groups in particular have tremendous differences, so assertions
of uniformity are simply lack of information.

We are already off to a bad start. All the social sciences are based on
identifying commonalities. Furthermore, it is common observance that
everyone identifies according to group criteria, not individual differences
which hardly count at all in the grand scheme of things.

Judaism as group is rich and varied, and arguing that all Jews are


Zionists is not acknowledging that people have different histories
within the large Jewish group. Any historical examination of Judaism
reveals all these differences.

What do all Jews have in common? That is the only question I am interested
in.

Aside from the fact that they denominate themselves as Jews, some of
them have nothing in common with each other. Two people can give
themselves a denomination and be so radically different from each
other that they won't even be able to talk. In fact, the word Jew, or
American or Xtian, or European or whatever else can be interpreted so
overwhelmingly different that the only commonality is haveing two
feet, arms, torso and head.


Major subgroups of Judaism are Ashkenazi (Eastern European); Sephardi


(Semitic, Arabic); Persian; African. There are the Crypto Jews and
probably several other smaller groups.

Zionism emerges in Europe in the late 1800s with Theodor Hertzl, as a


European (Ashkenazi movement). The principle behind it was that
European Jews should find a place in the world where they could live
in peace, since Europe had not been too friendly to them.

The movement gains support from wealthy Jews particularly in Britain


and they consider places where Britain has power over as possible
locations for a Jewish country. Two of the places considered are
Argentina and Kenya. While Palestine is casually considered at this
point, it was under the Turkish protectorate and it had little chance
of succeeding. Moreover Ashkenazim visitors to Palestine find Arab
Jews not to their liking and consider them inferior since they were
mostly farmers.

The vast majority of Eastern European Jews had no idea of the Zionist


movement nor they had any desire to move to the middle east. Most
immigration was to the US, Argentina and Mexico. Only when Palestine
falls under the British mandate in 1922, there is serious
consideration of moving to Palestine, and the Zionist movement
emerges. Still, it does not gain popularity until the 1930s when Jew
begin to get rounded up into ghettos first, and then concentration
camps.

Before the 30s, most Jews had never heard of a Zionist movement and


Persian, African and Zephardi Jews were not part of this movement
since they originally had not intention to move away from their
homelands. It was essentially an upper class Ashkenazi initiative.
Those European Jews with resources were able to buy their way to
Palestine during WW2, and in in the 40s an organized Zionist movement
emerges in Europe.

Assume you have the history right. So what? Palestine was the only logical
place for a Jewish state since it was the land of the Jews from time
immemorial. A Jew with a brain in his head is going to be a Zionist whether
he wants to live there or not. Any other way of thinking about it is an
absurdity.


It is? Jews have lived all over the map from time immemorial. The vast
majority never lived in Palestine and they still live all over the
place. The idea that Jews belong in Palestine is a contemporary US-
Brit government idea share by many, but not all.



This was a very simplified history that has many more nuances. If you


know of an alternative history of Judaism or interpretation of it, I
like to hear it, since, as you say, there are multiple histories o
interpretations of it. I'll be glad to refer you to my sources if you
like. In the meanwhile, I'll shut the **** up as you suggest. But, if
you can't articulate an alternative history, I suggest that you shut
the **** up too, not because your opinions bother me, but because you
truly sound like an ignorant dumbass.

Your ****ing history lesson is irrelevant to what matters. I am dealing with
the facts on the ground. No one in this world cares what an Arab sympathizer
and an anti-Zionist like you think since it is prejudicial in the extreme..
Go join Tom Sherman why don't you. He is an Arab lover and a Jew hater just
like you. The only difference between the two of you is that his history is
even more irrelevant than yours.


Unfortunately you don't know the facts on the ground. I just gave them
to you. Instead, you provide suppositions based on intuition and
opinion instead of logic and fact. It is absolutely ok to suppose and
opine which is essentially all you do. You have every right to do
this. However, attempting to pass these as facts and universal truths
makes you appear very unsophisticated. Worse of all, when you proceed
to insult people who don't agree with you, you sound like Jim Beam and
the man from South Afrika. Insults as a substitute for knowledge are
the recourse of the ignorami.

I remember a show about the horse who could talk. You can certainly
write.
But, but, but.....the horse in the show was quite sharp.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #177  
Old March 30th 11, 12:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mar 28, 5:10 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]
What do all Jews have in common? That is the only question I am interested
in.


Aside from the fact that they denominate themselves as Jews, some of

them have nothing in common with each other. Two people can give
themselves a denomination and be so radically different from each
other that they won't even be able to talk. In fact, the word Jew, or
American or Xtian, or European or whatever else can be interpreted so
overwhelmingly different that the only commonality is haveing two
feet, arms, torso and head.

A reduction ad absurdum argument. I still only want to know what all Jews
have in common. Either tell me or shut the **** up. I KNOW what all Jews
have in common, but I am testing your intelligence. Maybe Tom Sherman could
tell us since he thinks he knows everything.
[...]

Assume you have the history right. So what? Palestine was the only logical
place for a Jewish state since it was the land of the Jews from time
immemorial. A Jew with a brain in his head is going to be a Zionist
whether
he wants to live there or not. Any other way of thinking about it is an
absurdity.


It is? Jews have lived all over the map from time immemorial. The vast

majority never lived in Palestine and they still live all over the
place. The idea that Jews belong in Palestine is a contemporary US-
Brit government idea share by many, but not all.

Pick up the Bible and read the Old Testament. Were you born yesterday?
[...]

Your ****ing history lesson is irrelevant to what matters. I am dealing
with
the facts on the ground. No one in this world cares what an Arab
sympathizer
and an anti-Zionist like you think since it is prejudicial in the extreme.
Go join Tom Sherman why don't you. He is an Arab lover and a Jew hater
just
like you. The only difference between the two of you is that his history
is
even more irrelevant than yours.


Unfortunately you don't know the facts on the ground. I just gave them

to you. Instead, you provide suppositions based on intuition and
opinion instead of logic and fact. It is absolutely ok to suppose and
opine which is essentially all you do. You have every right to do
this. However, attempting to pass these as facts and universal truths
makes you appear very unsophisticated. Worse of all, when you proceed
to insult people who don't agree with you, you sound like Jim Beam and
the man from South Afrika. Insults as a substitute for knowledge are
the recourse of the ignorami.

I don't much like anti-Semites ever since the Holocaust. Apparently some of
you jerks think it is OK to be anti-Zionist. They are one and the same thing
no matter what ****ing history you dredge up.

Insulting idiots is what I do on Usenet. I have been insulting Tom Sherman
for over 5 years but it rolls off him like water off a duck's back. Anyone
who takes offense at anything that is said on Usenet is TRULY an idiot!

Usenet is strictly for fun and games. I have known that from day one. If you
want friendly conversation I suggest one of the social media like Facebook.
I wouldn't be caught dead on such tripe, but maybe that is just me.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



  #178  
Old March 30th 11, 04:35 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mar 30, 5:40*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Mar 28, 5:10 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]

What do all Jews have in common? That is the only question I am interested
in.
Aside from the fact that they denominate themselves as Jews, some of


them have nothing in common with each other. Two people can give
themselves a denomination and be so radically different from each
other that they won't even be able to talk. In fact, the word Jew, or
American or Xtian, or European or whatever else can be interpreted so
overwhelmingly different that the only commonality is haveing two
feet, arms, torso and head.

A reduction ad absurdum argument. I still only want to know what all Jews
have in common. Either tell me or shut the **** up. I KNOW what all Jews
have in common, but I am testing your intelligence. Maybe Tom Sherman could
tell us since he thinks he knows everything.
[...]

Assume you have the history right. So what? Palestine was the only logical
place for a Jewish state since it was the land of the Jews from time
immemorial. A Jew with a brain in his head is going to be a Zionist
whether
he wants to live there or not. Any other way of thinking about it is an
absurdity.
It is? Jews have lived all over the map from time immemorial. The vast


majority never lived in Palestine and they still live all over the
place. The idea that Jews belong in Palestine is a contemporary US-
Brit government idea share by many, but not all.

Pick up the Bible and read the Old Testament. Were you born yesterday?


The bible? Ahhh! In that case, you really got me. I really don't know
much about the bible. For one, the bible is not the book of the Jewish
religion. The torah is and I also don't know much about it either. The
Torah says that the earth is about 4500 years old, that god crated the
heavens and the earth in 6 days, that he made the first man from clay
and took a rib out of him and made a woman. Do you believe this? I
guess that you don't believe in ancient civilizations, dinosaurs,
Pithecanthropus, Neanderthal, etc. You probably think that the earth
is flat.

The Torah does not say that Jews lived in Palestine since immemorial
times. Abraham heard voices from God sending Abraham to Canaan. The
Torah also says that Jews lived in Egypt for many years before they
move to Canaan. So, historically, they only lived in Palestine for
about 1200 years. Considering that the earth is billions of years old,
1200 years is nothing. Plus ownership of land is not something that is
recognized worldwide as something given by god. Now, if you are Jewish
and you believe in a god that talked to people and made them the
chosen ones and gave them land that is up to you. There is no
historical record of the events related in the bible. It is a book of
myths.

The old testament or Torah, was written by 5 separate authors between
1000 and 2000 BC. They hail from different lands and tell different
stories regularly contradicting themselves. The god of Abraham was
fairly benevolent even though he sent him to kill his child. The Gods
of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah were homicidal maniacs that nuked
entire civilizations, according to the Torah. So was the God of the
Egyptian Jews who murdered the first born son of all Egyptian
families. If you believe in that god, great. Well, I am Jewish and I
don't believe in any god or any book of myths written in ancient
times.


Your ****ing history lesson is irrelevant to what matters. I am dealing
with
the facts on the ground. No one in this world cares what an Arab
sympathizer
and an anti-Zionist like you think since it is prejudicial in the extreme.
Go join Tom Sherman why don't you. He is an Arab lover and a Jew hater
just
like you. The only difference between the two of you is that his history
is
even more irrelevant than yours.
Unfortunately you don't know the facts on the ground. I just gave them


to you. Instead, you provide suppositions based on intuition and
opinion instead of logic and fact. It is absolutely ok to suppose and
opine which is essentially all you do. You have every right to do
this. However, attempting to pass these as facts and universal truths
makes you appear very unsophisticated. Worse of all, when you proceed
to insult people who don't agree with you, you sound like Jim Beam and
the man from South Afrika. Insults as a substitute for knowledge are
the recourse of the ignorami.

I don't much like anti-Semites ever since the Holocaust. Apparently some of
you jerks think it is OK to be anti-Zionist. They are one and the same thing
no matter what ****ing history you dredge up.

Insulting idiots is what I do on Usenet. I have been insulting Tom Sherman
for over 5 years but it rolls off him like water off a duck's back. Anyone
who takes offense at anything that is said on Usenet is TRULY an idiot!


I don't take offense with being called an ****ing idiot. My wife does
that all the time and so have my brothers for over 40 years. I am
simply saying that insulting people in discussions about history is
the recourse of the ignorami. Plus, I am a lot more sophisticated than
you. I have compared you with some such Afrikaner and with Jim Beam.
You must admit that at least my insults are way worse that yours.

Usenet is strictly for fun and games. I have known that from day one. If you
want friendly conversation I suggest one of the social media like Facebook.
I wouldn't be caught dead on such tripe, but maybe that is just me.


me too. I am having a blast. I never get to talk about this so its a
good opportunity. In the process, I educate you too.


--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #179  
Old March 31st 11, 01:06 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
Edward Dolan
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On Mar 30, 5:40 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]
Pick up the Bible and read the Old Testament. Were you born yesterday?


The bible? Ahhh! In that case, you really got me. I really don't know

much about the bible. For one, the bible is not the book of the Jewish
religion. The torah is and I also don't know much about it either. The
Torah says that the earth is about 4500 years old, that god crated the
heavens and the earth in 6 days, that he made the first man from clay
and took a rib out of him and made a woman. Do you believe this? I
guess that you don't believe in ancient civilizations, dinosaurs,
Pithecanthropus, Neanderthal, etc. You probably think that the earth
is flat.

The Torah does not say that Jews lived in Palestine since immemorial

times. Abraham heard voices from God sending Abraham to Canaan. The
Torah also says that Jews lived in Egypt for many years before they
move to Canaan. So, historically, they only lived in Palestine for
about 1200 years. Considering that the earth is billions of years old,
1200 years is nothing. Plus ownership of land is not something that is
recognized worldwide as something given by god. Now, if you are Jewish
and you believe in a god that talked to people and made them the
chosen ones and gave them land that is up to you. There is no
historical record of the events related in the bible. It is a book of
myths.

The old testament or Torah, was written by 5 separate authors between

1000 and 2000 BC. They hail from different lands and tell different
stories regularly contradicting themselves. The god of Abraham was
fairly benevolent even though he sent him to kill his child. The Gods
of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah were homicidal maniacs that nuked
entire civilizations, according to the Torah. So was the God of the
Egyptian Jews who murdered the first born son of all Egyptian
families. If you believe in that god, great. Well, I am Jewish and I
don't believe in any god or any book of myths written in ancient
times.

Suspicions confirmed ... poor Andres is indeed an idiot. Like all idiots, he
gets lost in the trees and misses the forest.
[...]

I don't take offense with being called an ****ing idiot. My wife does

that all the time and so have my brothers for over 40 years. I am
simply saying that insulting people in discussions about history is
the recourse of the ignorami. Plus, I am a lot more sophisticated than
you. I have compared you with some such Afrikaner and with Jim Beam.
You must admit that at least my insults are way worse that yours.

No one in the world understands your insults (with the possible exception of
Tom Sherman). You are a loser on every count so far.

Usenet is strictly for fun and games. I have known that from day one. If
you
want friendly conversation I suggest one of the social media like
Facebook.
I wouldn't be caught dead on such tripe, but maybe that is just me.


me too. I am having a blast. I never get to talk about this so its a

good opportunity. In the process, I educate you too.

Here is the one and only thing you ever need to know about the Jews. They
are the people of the Book par excellence. It is what holds them together
despite all differences. Without the Book, they would have disappeared
thousands of years ago like all the other ancient peoples. Now at least you
know something worth knowing.

One other thing, you should leave secularism and atheism to former Roman
Catholics like myself. It is very unbecoming of a Jew to ever depart from
the ways of his ancestors. Is there nothing sacred in this world?

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



  #180  
Old March 31st 11, 02:51 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
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The Gods
of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah were homicidal maniacs



Andres, thanks for mentioning these:
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