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Red light cameras?
raamman wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:33 am, " wrote: On Apr 21, 8:44 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote: Who's in favor of red light cameras? Who's against? Do you think a cycling organization should come out in favor of them? This is a serious question, not a troll. I know a cycling organization whose officers are trying to decide. - Frank Krygowski Another vote FOR. Lewis ***** I have to vote against. reason why is that on a bike I always look ahead and both ways to ensure the intersection is safe to cross, so I am not really affected by the possibilty of a red light runner; however, as a professional driver I am concerned about the inadequate warning numerous intersections give going from yellow to red, at normal traffic speed I am often placed in a possition of having to instantly decide between slamming on the brakes or just driving through. I realize that the former would likely result in accidents from peopple following too closly behind and/or not paying complete attention, especially during rush hours so I try to avoid hard stops; but then this does subject me to a red light camera without regard to the circumstances involved. I always pay attention to my surroundings, for example the other day a couple of kids were at the corner waiting as I approached on a stale green and so I slowed which caused me to be late for the intersection when the light turned yellow. As soon as the light turned green the kids started to cross without even glancing in the direction of oncoming traffic- very scary indeed. But the yellow light was hardly on long enough to allow for normal traffic to properly stop before the green light came on permitting the kids to begin crossing. I started slowing before the yellow came on. The municipality put those kids in seroius danger by a short yellow light at the intersection. The short light might be a result of some seriously misguided thinking to catch more red light runners but is hardly in the best interest of the community it serves. All good points. And as with many issues regarding police, the innocent get ticketed along with the guilty. Good luck with that once your plate is imaged. I had a passenger witness to my cash toll payments on Illinois Northwest Tollway, got four camera images with toll violation notices a week later. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Red light cameras?
On Apr 22, 12:33*pm, AMuzi wrote:
raamman wrote: On Apr 22, 6:33 am, " wrote: On Apr 21, 8:44 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote: Who's in favor of red light cameras? *Who's against? Do you think a cycling organization should come out in favor of them? This is a serious question, not a troll. *I know a cycling organization whose officers are trying to decide. - Frank Krygowski Another vote FOR. Lewis ***** I have to vote against. reason why is that on a bike I always look ahead and both ways to ensure the intersection is safe to cross, so I am not really affected by the possibilty of a red light runner; however, as a professional driver I am concerned about the inadequate warning numerous intersections give going from yellow to red, at normal traffic speed I am often placed in a possition of having to instantly decide between slamming on the brakes or just driving through. I realize that the former would likely result in accidents from peopple following too closly behind and/or not paying complete attention, especially during rush hours so I try to avoid hard stops; but then this does subject me to a red light camera without regard to the circumstances involved. I always pay attention to my surroundings, for example the other day a couple of kids were at the corner waiting as I approached on a stale green and so I slowed which caused me to be late for the intersection when the light turned yellow. As soon as the light turned green the kids started to cross without even glancing in the direction of oncoming traffic- very scary indeed. But the yellow light was hardly on long enough to allow for normal traffic to properly stop before the green light came on permitting the kids to begin crossing. I started slowing before the yellow came on. The municipality put those kids in seroius danger by a short yellow light at the intersection. The short light might be a result of some seriously misguided thinking to catch more red light runners but is hardly in the best interest of the community it serves. All good points. And as with many issues regarding police, the innocent get ticketed along with the guilty. Good luck with that once your *plate is imaged. I had a passenger witness to my cash toll payments on Illinois Northwest Tollway, got four camera images with toll violation notices a week later. -- Andrew Muzi * www.yellowjersey.org/ * Open every day since 1 April, 1971- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Several times through the express contract lanes without a contract to drive thru becasue because well geee whiz who mmmmwould know right with traffic and GKW and never heard about it. |
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Red light cameras?
Peter Cole wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote: Who's in favor of red light cameras? *Who's against? Do you think a cycling organization should come out in favor of them? This is a serious question, not a troll. *I know a cycling organization whose officers are trying to decide. Yes, no-brainer. It's not a no-brainer. Red light cameras are the work of folks like Lockheed-Martin, and they demonstrate "increased enforcement" by dramatically shortening the yellow light duration at the time of installation. It's cheating, but it's standard practice for the folks who do this. The corporate businesses who install these split the proceeds with the municipalities, essentially privatizing civil fines. That's also cheating, and SOP. I wish car drivers were better behaved, and I wish they were more accountable when they cause harm, but red light cameras as applied are a scam no city should have any part of. Chalo |
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Red light cameras?
On Apr 22, 1:18*pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote: On 4/22/2011 9:57 AM, N8N wrote: On Apr 21, 9:44 pm, Frank *wrote: Who's in favor of red light cameras? *Who's against? Do you think a cycling organization should come out in favor of them? This is a serious question, not a troll. *I know a cycling organization whose officers are trying to decide. - Frank Krygowski Definitely against, just because of the widespread practice of using them at intersections with improperly timed yellow lights instead of fixing the timing. Implementations like VA where MUTCD-compliant light timing is required for a RLC installation I don't have a real problem with, but I don't know that they really accomplish much in those cases. *But I'm not opposed to that specific implementation if some jurisdiction wants to try. nate It would be nice if a court would set a precedent by throwing out all the citations where the yellow light duration was too short. That has on occasion happened, but requires someone to do their homework and challenge their ticket. When simple engineering oversight should have prevented the situation in the first place. nate |
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Red light cameras?
On 4/22/2011 1:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
raamman wrote: On Apr 22, 6:33 am, " wrote: On Apr 21, 8:44 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote: Who's in favor of red light cameras? Who's against? Do you think a cycling organization should come out in favor of them? This is a serious question, not a troll. I know a cycling organization whose officers are trying to decide. - Frank Krygowski Another vote FOR. Lewis ***** I have to vote against. reason why is that on a bike I always look ahead and both ways to ensure the intersection is safe to cross, so I am not really affected by the possibilty of a red light runner; however, as a professional driver I am concerned about the inadequate warning numerous intersections give going from yellow to red, at normal traffic speed I am often placed in a possition of having to instantly decide between slamming on the brakes or just driving through. I realize that the former would likely result in accidents from peopple following too closly behind and/or not paying complete attention, especially during rush hours so I try to avoid hard stops; but then this does subject me to a red light camera without regard to the circumstances involved. I always pay attention to my surroundings, for example the other day a couple of kids were at the corner waiting as I approached on a stale green and so I slowed which caused me to be late for the intersection when the light turned yellow. As soon as the light turned green the kids started to cross without even glancing in the direction of oncoming traffic- very scary indeed. But the yellow light was hardly on long enough to allow for normal traffic to properly stop before the green light came on permitting the kids to begin crossing. I started slowing before the yellow came on. The municipality put those kids in seroius danger by a short yellow light at the intersection. The short light might be a result of some seriously misguided thinking to catch more red light runners but is hardly in the best interest of the community it serves. All good points. And as with many issues regarding police, the innocent get ticketed along with the guilty. Good luck with that once your plate is imaged. I had a passenger witness to my cash toll payments on Illinois Northwest Tollway, got four camera images with toll violation notices a week later. I had a business stop in Aurora and flew into O'hare. Rented a car, got directions and ended up on an exist with an untended toll booth. Didn't have any US coins, so went through. Guys at the shop told me about the web page where you go online and fill out a form. They billed me for it and I paid it. Not a big deal. Nearly a year later, got a bill from Avis for 185 bucks to pay some fine and court costs. Told them that I paid and they went away. Not before I told them what I thought about given out of country customers directions and maps and not telling them that they need to pay when EXITING the road. Got a notice to appear in Chicago to pay a fine and court costs. So I could either fly to Chicago and contest it or pay. Like you say, good luck with that once your plate is imaged. |
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Red light cameras?
T[...]m Sherm[...]n wrote:
N8N wrote: Definitely against, just because of the widespread practice of using them at intersections with improperly timed yellow lights instead of fixing the timing. It would be nice if a court would set a precedent by throwing out all the citations where the yellow light duration was too short. In most cases using war-contractor commercial red light cameras, they are not treated like normal traffic tickets-- more like parking tickets. They whole setup is designed for you to get a ticket by mail and pay it by mail, with the incentive being that it doesn't appear on your driving record if you pay it immediately without contesting. Chalo |
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Red light cameras?
On Apr 22, 1:16*pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote: On 4/22/2011 7:00 AM, raamman wrote: from peopple following too closly behind and/or not paying complete attention, especially during rush hours so I try to avoid hard stops; but then this does subject me to a red light camera without regard to the circumstances involved. I always pay attention to my surroundings, The companies that install the cameras usually do it at no cost in return for a cut of citation revenue. *Therefore, the length of the yellow light is often shortened to generate more revenue. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. Such a practice ("in return for a cut of citation revenue"), would be immoral |
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On Apr 22, 3:36*pm, raamman wrote:
On Apr 22, 1:16*pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI $southslope.net" wrote: On 4/22/2011 7:00 AM, raamman wrote: from peopple following too closly behind and/or not paying complete attention, especially during rush hours so I try to avoid hard stops; but then this does subject me to a red light camera without regard to the circumstances involved. I always pay attention to my surroundings, The companies that install the cameras usually do it at no cost in return for a cut of citation revenue. *Therefore, the length of the yellow light is often shortened to generate more revenue. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. Such a practice ("in return for a cut of citation revenue"), would be immoral no ****. but it's the way these contacts are usually structured. nate |
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Red light cameras?
To address the original question, it seems like a bad idea for a
cycling organization to take any position on it. It provokes emotional responses, and there's no evidence that cyclists are particularly vulnerable to red light runners. |
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Red light cameras?
On 4/22/2011 12:33 PM, A. Muzi wrote:
[...] And as with many issues regarding police, the innocent get ticketed along with the guilty. Good luck with that once your plate is imaged. I had a passenger witness to my cash toll payments on Illinois Northwest Tollway, got four camera images with toll violation notices a week later. Do you not have an I-Pass because every time you go through a toll the time and location is stored somewhere on a Illinois Tollway Authority server? In the pre-I-Pass days, I used to pre-count pennys and use them at the toll booths. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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