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First Helmet : jury is out.
"Roger Zoul" wrote in message ...
Given all the riding I plan to do my options seem limited. 1) come away dead, 2) come away extremely messed up, 3) come away with some skin removed and some stuff broken. So if my helmet helps with situation 3, I'll be happy. In either of the other two options, the helmet thing will be a moot point. ?? There's certainly another option. Ride competently. Don't crash. It's worked for me for several decades now. -- Frank Krygowski |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message :: ... ::: Given all the riding I plan to ::: do my options seem limited. 1) come away dead, 2) come away ::: extremely messed ::: up, 3) come away with some skin removed and some stuff broken. So ::: if my ::: helmet helps with situation 3, I'll be happy. In either of the ::: other two ::: options, the helmet thing will be a moot point. :: :: ?? :: :: There's certainly another option. Ride competently. Don't crash. :: :: It's worked for me for several decades now. That's good to know, actually, and I plan to do exactly that! |
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Q. wrote: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... snip :: The added noise and irritation that the helment causes more than :: offsets the "possible" help it gives in case of a spill by deducting :: from my usual spacial awareness. What noise and irritation? Regardless of any merits about safety, I find my helmet comfortable. If I ride without it, I feel as though I'm not wearing my seatbelt. Interesting ... I've heard similar statements before. I wonder if there is a "security blanket" effect associated with helmets. I can see how wearing a "magic foam hat" fundamentally wouldn't be any different than a cave man wearing a talisman around his neck while going into battle. C.Q.C. You mean like ancient Celts wearing only tattoos, torque (around the neck) and sandals? |
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On Mon, 10 May 2004 21:52:58 GMT, "curt" wrote in
message : I don't even know if helmets are a law in Pennsylvania, but I wear one. I don't know why, but if I were to ride a motorcycle, I probably wouldn't, but my bicycle I wear one. Wierd! Motorcycle helmets actually provide meaningful protection, unlike cycle helmets (although neither appears to improve the safety of the users, according to population-level statistics). In traffic a cycle helmet is pretty much worthless, unless it's wet or icy and you might fall off. That's what they are designed for: falling off. I have fallen off once this year, on a wet road with a diesel spill, but I was riding the 'bent so hit the ground arse first :-) Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 19:26:07 +0100, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Mon, 10 May 2004 21:52:58 GMT, "curt" wrote in message : I don't even know if helmets are a law in Pennsylvania, but I wear one. I don't know why, but if I were to ride a motorcycle, I probably wouldn't, but my bicycle I wear one. Wierd! Motorcycle helmets actually provide meaningful protection, unlike cycle helmets (although neither appears to improve the safety of the users, according to population-level statistics). In traffic a cycle helmet is pretty much worthless, unless it's wet or icy and you might fall off. That's what they are designed for: falling off. I have fallen off once this year, on a wet road with a diesel spill, but I was riding the 'bent so hit the ground arse first :-) Guy I'm not sure about that. Snell's standard http://www.smf.org/standards/m2000std.html#TESTING seems to pass a helmet if it can reduce acceleration to a headform to 300G after a 3m drop, approx. equal to 30-40kph. So motorcycle helmets don't give that much protection neither! Peter -- This transmission is certified free of viruses as no Microsoft products were used in its preparation or propagation. |
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Peter Keller wrote: On Wed, 12 May 2004 19:26:07 +0100, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote: On Mon, 10 May 2004 21:52:58 GMT, "curt" wrote in message : I don't even know if helmets are a law in Pennsylvania, but I wear one. I don't know why, but if I were to ride a motorcycle, I probably wouldn't, but my bicycle I wear one. Wierd! Motorcycle helmets actually provide meaningful protection, unlike cycle helmets (although neither appears to improve the safety of the users, according to population-level statistics). I'm not sure about that. Snell's standard http://www.smf.org/standards/m2000std.html#TESTING seems to pass a helmet if it can reduce acceleration to a headform to 300G after a 3m drop, approx. equal to 30-40kph. So motorcycle helmets don't give that much protection neither! The purpose of any helmet is not to save you from the unfortunate circumstances in which your head actually gets hit by a car. There's not much you can do. But at least in theory, the big killer is those falls off the seat of your bike to the ground. The helmet offers protection from that impact, plus abrasion protection. Without making any rash claims, I had one motorcycle accident that made me very happy to be wearing a helmet, -- Ryan Cousineau, http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club |
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Ryan Cousineau wrote in message ...
The purpose of any helmet is not to save you from the unfortunate circumstances in which your head actually gets hit by a car. There's not much you can do. For the record, car crashes cause over 90% of bike fatalities. But at least in theory, the big killer is those falls off the seat of your bike to the ground. The helmet offers protection from that impact, plus abrasion protection. :-) So "the big killer" is the kind of fall we all had dozens of, when we were kids buzzing around the block on bikes? It's odd, isn't it, that nobody ever noticed that terrible carnage. Until, that is, Bell had a new product to sell to the new adult "bike boom" population of the 1970s. Then, suddenly, what every kid had been doing all his life became "the big killer." Why, until that time, mothers all across North America cheerfully sent their children out to risk death! Their only protection from "the big killer" was motherly advice: "Now be careful!" How do you suppose they suppressed the tales of carnage? Where do you suppose they hid the bodies? ;-) Without making any rash claims, I had one motorcycle accident that made me very happy to be wearing a helmet, Maybe so. But motorcycle helmets' protection statistics aren't much better than bike helmets. The only thing you can realistically say is that motorcycling is fairly dangerous. Unlike bicycling. -- Frank Krygowski |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 20:40:02 -0700, Ryan Cousineau
wrote in message : But at least in theory, the big killer is those falls off the seat of your bike to the ground. The helmet offers protection from that impact, plus abrasion protection. Er, except that the big killer is motor vehicles. Crashes with no motor vehicle involved are substantially less likely to result in serious injury or death. In umpteen years of cycling I have fallen from my bike to the ground exactly twice: once when something got lodged in the front wheel, which sent me headfirst into the ground (no helmet, survived OK); the other was when I hit a diesel slick on the 'bent and went down on my arse (missing my head by 3ft). I only ride 4,000-5,000 miles per year, of course, and rarely average more than 20mph on any ride, so I can quite see how some people might be at more risk. I have, on the other hand, come very close to death thanks to a clueless driver. Luckily my knitted acrylic balaclava Saved My Life [tm]. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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