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Trikki Beltran's bad concussion and his helmet
The Wogster wrote: Agreed, however the helmet lobbyists seem to push the idea that once you don the M.F.H. you will be safe in all cases, and that is one of the reasons people take extra risks...... Helmet lobbyists do have a problem there. They typically want to convince everyone that: 1) Bicycling without a helmet is really dangerous - so dangerous that you should NEVER bike without a helmet!!! 2) Helmets are VERY, VERY protective. Even though their certification standards are so low, they still prevent almost 100% of head injuries - specifically, 85%. It's such a simple way to remove almost all of that terrible danger!!! 3) There is nothing you can do that's more important for bike safety than wearing a helmet!!! The problem is, they've touted the incredible protection so long that now, many riders feel incredibly protected, and behave accordingly. What can they do? Start saying "Um, wait, we didn't mean they protect you THAT well." If they start getting specific and giving the public real certification numbers and real population results of helmet use, people will see helmets are about as effective as lucky rabbits feet. The current trend seems to be to (finally) add some other safety advice onto the helmet propaganda, while still claiming helmets are the most important step... more important than, say, lights at night, riding on the proper side of the road, etc. I note, though, that in the US, the push for MHLs seems to have slowed somewhat. There are still individual communities being deluded into enacting laws, but the enactment of state laws has slowed to a trickle. Perhaps this is because obesity and lack of exercise are getting much more attention, and those problems argue against discouraging cylcing. Well, we can hope - or pretend - that's the case. I'd prefer to see widespread acknowledgement of the fact that ordinary bicycling is _not_ particularly dangerous, certainly not dangerous enough to require protective gear. I suppose I'll never forgive the helmet pushers for that slander of my favorite activity. - Frank Krygowski |
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I submit that on or about Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:53:42 -0700, the person
known to the court as "(PeteCresswell)" made a statement in Your Honour's bundle) to the following effect: 5) Front wheel washes out on mud, canted wet tree root, slippery stone or whatever. Operator goes down hard, sort of sideways/face-first, slapping head sideways on hard ground - hard enough to lose conciousness. I tend not to wear a magic hat, so make damn sure that doesn't happen to me. I've lost the bike due to slippery conditions I think twice in the last five years, once I'd slowed down in response to the slippery road (ice) so the bike went down but I stayed standing, the other time I took a roundabout too fast on a wet day and the bike went sideways; I landed flat on my arse. Took out my best pair of bibtights, too. I was not happy! Anyone who is genuinely serious about preventing head injury while riding will be on a recumbent trike, where the risk is negligible, or a recumbent bike, where it is small. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound |
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"hell0.com (Alex B.)" wrote: You guys can go on all you want citing statistically insignificant personal events, but you are neither convincing anyone, nor proving anything... If you want to see statistics abused, visit the social sciences. Misdirected questions yield true but meaningless statistics. "Gazing at sheaves of statistics without 'prejudgment' is futile." -- Murray Rothbard "Experience . . . brings out the impossibility of learning anything from facts till they are examined and interpreted by reason; and teaches that the most reckless and treacherous of all theorists is he who professes to let facts and figures speak for themselves." -- Alfred Marshall |
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message ... Mind you, what would I know? I suffered a serious bicycle crash many years ago and wasn't wearing a helmet, so obviously I'm dead! No, dear boy -- not dead, but seriously addled. |
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Per The Wogster:
There are really about 4 kinds of bike accident. 1) Bike hits another object, rider does a toss over handlebars and lands nose first, gaining a 3rd degree case of road rash. Helmet effect - none. 2) Bike hits another object, rider does a toss over handlebars, and while airborne hits another object head first. Helmet effect moderate to good. 3) Bike hits object and rider is partially crushed against object, helmet effect none. 4) Operator loses control and bike goes down sideways in a skid. Helmet effect none. 5) Front wheel washes out on mud, canted wet tree root, slippery stone or whatever. Operator goes down hard, sort of sideways/face-first, slapping head sideways on hard ground - hard enough to lose conciousness. Been there, done that. The several-inch-high pyramid shaped outcropping that was a few inches from where the side of my melon slapped the ground completed my little attitude adjustment. -- PeteCresswell |
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote: Anyone who is genuinely serious about preventing head injury while riding will be on a recumbent trike, where the risk is negligible, or a recumbent bike, where it is small. I note that in the US, at least, almost all recumbent riders wear helmets. Yes, even the few on recumbent trikes! To me, this is proof that the hat choice is based on some variant of fashion, not logic. (Um, and if "fashion" affects even recumbent riders, nobody is immune! ;-) - Frank Krygowski |
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I submit that on or about Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:43:58 -0500, the person
known to the court as "Bob the Cow" made a statement in Your Honour's bundle) to the following effect: Mind you, what would I know? I suffered a serious bicycle crash many years ago and wasn't wearing a helmet, so obviously I'm dead! No, dear boy -- not dead, but seriously addled. Apparently I must be. I put it down to the next crash, where I was wearing a helmet but was more seriously injured. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound |
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message ... Mind you, what would I know? I suffered a serious bicycle crash many years ago and wasn't wearing a helmet, so obviously I'm dead! No, dear boy -- not dead, but seriously addled. Apparently I must be. I put it down to the next crash, where I was wearing a helmet but was more seriously injured. Well, you must be athletic and know how to fall. It's good you're OK. You can take a joke too -- good on ya. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Just zis Guy, you know? wrote: Anyone who is genuinely serious about preventing head injury while riding will be on a recumbent trike, where the risk is negligible, or a recumbent bike, where it is small. I note that in the US, at least, almost all recumbent riders wear helmets. Yes, even the few on recumbent trikes! To me, this is proof that the hat choice is based on some variant of fashion, not logic. (Um, and if "fashion" affects even recumbent riders, nobody is immune! Are you pretending that it's hard to crash a recumbent trike? Ever changed direction in one unexpectedly due to "brake steering" at speed? They aren't as stable as they look, and it's easy to become complacent. A LWB recumbent bicycle also has some weight-distribution issues as to front and back wheel which also predispose to occasional lack of control. Granted, it's not as far to fall as from a diamond-frame, but some of these things do get up to a respectable speed. If a person chooses not to wear a helmet, it's none of my business. Apparently you make it your business to question the judgment of anyone who DOES choose to wear a helmet by attacking their choice as illogical or susceptible to fashion. Strange bias, that. |
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