Peloton

There seems to be some francophobes around who are unable to understand
that the English language is made up of words from lots of forriners.

What would they substitute 'peloton' with (has to be seven letters or less?



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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:41:32 +0100, Keitht KeithT wrote:

There seems to be some francophobes around who are unable to understand
that the English language is made up of words from lots of forriners.

What would they substitute 'peloton' with (has to be seven letters or less?

See 8 below:

Noun - Psycholist
Pronunciation Key : psy·cho·list.
Origin: based on the outbursts of a rabid Psycholist called Guy
Chapman

A cyclist who is one of a small group who frequent the news group
uk.rec.cycling they have invented their own "language" to justify
their views:

Examples:
1) "cycle helmet" - they would rather pretend that such devices
do not exist; they will try and overcome their problem by using the
alternative "h*l*et" - or just "h".
2) "all pedestrians should be required to wear h*l*ets" is a
common attempt to ridicule suggestions that cyclists should wear
helmets.
3) They cannot bring themselves to use the word: "facility" in
the context of a "cycling facility". Whatever the facility - they
must try and ridicule it as they will not be able to fully comprehend
the benefits as seen for all road users. This is achieved by using
the alternative "farcility".
4) "Cager" is used provocatively instead of the word "motorist",
in the hope that it irritates motorists; it doesn't - it makes them
laugh at the psycholist's inadequacies.
5) "Magic paint" - only used by the most inflicted psycholists.
Used to describe signage to cyclist on pavements. Origin unknown.
6) The word "troll" is in common usage in Usenet. However, the
psycholists have adopted it for their own use to apply to anyone who
disagrees with their ingrained and irrational views. This enables
them to say "ignore him - he is a troll" when faced with facts which
are too unpalatable for the psycholist to contemplate - never mind
discuss in a sensible fashion.
7) BSO : a bicycle shaped object. If someone's bicycle is not
top of the range, costing at least £500 with disc brakes, and at least
73 LEDs at the front and 67 when viewed from the rear, then it cannot
be called a bicycle. Anything bought from Halfrauds (sic) must be a
BSO.
8) "Peloton" - a rabble of psycholists who think they are above
the law.

Not everyone who frequents the group URC is a "psycholist".
Psycholists are not very bright in general and are obliged to
demonstrate that they lack common sense; they are very good at this.

A common pseudonym for a "psycholist" is "****wit".
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Keitht wrote:
There seems to be some francophobes around who are unable to understand
that the English language is made up of words from lots of forriners.

What would they substitute 'peloton' with (has to be seven letters or
less?

Pack.

Mob.

Field (in a racing sense).

The French jargon word "peloton" (unheard in the UK before a very few years
ago) is not a word that has been loaned to English. It is not widely used. It
is not used at all outside of a self-defined group of "enthusiasts" (not to
say "anoraks" - which *is* a loan word).

It is a pure pseudo-intellectual signifier (and possibly useful in that role).

BTW: I am no Francophobe, nor yet a Europhobe. Literally, some of my best
friends are German, French, Belgian, Dutch and Italian and I often travel and
stay in all those countries. Just came back from a wonderful week in France
last Friday.

JNugent wrote:
Keitht wrote:
There seems to be some francophobes around who are unable to
understand that the English language is made up of words from lots of
forriners.

What would they substitute 'peloton' with (has to be seven letters or
less?

Pack.

no
Mob.

nope
Field (in a racing sense).

nay
The French jargon word "peloton" (unheard in the UK before a very few
years ago) is not a word that has been loaned to English. It is not
widely used. It is not used at all outside of a self-defined group of
"enthusiasts" (not to say "anoraks" - which *is* a loan word).

nah
It is a pure pseudo-intellectual signifier (and possibly useful in that
role).

In that case the *******ised French that is used for tennis scoring must
fall in to the same bracket.


Seeing as in a race you can have several groups of riders and only one
is known as the peloton it appears to be 'the main leading group'.
As such it's a tidy way to label such a group.
Comon sense, isn't it - or would you prefer to make things more complicated

I also prefer 'keirin' to 'indoor bike race where they trail behind a
small motorbike then go hell-for-leather once it leaves the track'

Or is it just that 'It's not British!'




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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:40:35 +0100, Keitht KeithT wrote:

Seeing as in a race you can have several groups of riders and only one
is known as the peloton it appears to be 'the main leading group'.
As such it's a tidy way to label such a group.
Comon sense, isn't it - or would you prefer to make things more complicated

No.

Peloton is usually the main bunch, though a large breakaway may be
referred to at the *lead peloton* and the main group as the *main
peloton*.

The term was used in English at least three decades ago when Le Tour
visitied the south west and was covered by John Craven's Newsround.

It has been in common English usage, except in Nugent's and Smith's
houshould, since at least that time.

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:40:35 +0100, Keitht KeithT wrote:

Seeing as in a race you can have several groups of riders and only one
is known as the peloton it appears to be 'the main leading group'.
As such it's a tidy way to label such a group.
Comon sense, isn't it - or would you prefer to make things more complicated

No.

Peloton is usually the main bunch, though a large breakaway may be
referred to at the *lead peloton* and the main group as the *main
peloton*.

The term was used in English at least three decades ago when Le Tour
visitied the south west and was covered by John Craven's Newsround.

So what? That doesn't mean it was in common usage. And certainly not that it
has been absorbed into English.

It has been in common English usage, except in Nugent's and Smith's
houshould, since at least that time.

Oh, grow up.

Unless one is reading (or presumably listening to) a pretentious commentary
on the TdF, the word is never heard in English.

On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:38:47 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

It has been in common English usage, except in Nugent's and Smith's
houshould, since at least that time.

Oh, grow up.

Oh dear! Oh dear! Oh dear!

A bit sensitive are we?

JNugent wrote:
Tom Crispin wrote:
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:40:35 +0100, Keitht KeithT wrote:

Seeing as in a race you can have several groups of riders and only
one is known as the peloton it appears to be 'the main leading group'.
As such it's a tidy way to label such a group.
Comon sense, isn't it - or would you prefer to make things more
complicated

No.

Peloton is usually the main bunch, though a large breakaway may be
referred to at the *lead peloton* and the main group as the *main
peloton*.

The term was used in English at least three decades ago when Le Tour
visitied the south west and was covered by John Craven's Newsround.

So what? That doesn't mean it was in common usage. And certainly not
that it has been absorbed into English.

It has been in common English usage, except in Nugent's and Smith's
houshould, since at least that time.

Oh, grow up.

Unless one is reading (or presumably listening to) a pretentious
commentary on the TdF, the word is never heard in English.


It's as English as verandah and pyjamas.

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JNugent wrote:
Tom Crispin wrote:
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:40:35 +0100, Keitht KeithT wrote:

Seeing as in a race you can have several groups of riders and only
one is known as the peloton it appears to be 'the main leading group'.
As such it's a tidy way to label such a group.
Comon sense, isn't it - or would you prefer to make things more
complicated

No.

Peloton is usually the main bunch, though a large breakaway may be
referred to at the *lead peloton* and the main group as the *main
peloton*.

The term was used in English at least three decades ago when Le Tour
visitied the south west and was covered by John Craven's Newsround.

So what? That doesn't mean it was in common usage. And certainly not
that it has been absorbed into English.

It has been in common English usage, except in Nugent's and Smith's
houshould, since at least that time.

Oh, grow up.

Unless one is reading (or presumably listening to) a pretentious
commentary on the TdF, the word is never heard in English.
It's been used here quite often in the last 24 hrs, are you saying that
this is a "pretentious commentary on the TdF"? I ask because you have a
very slippery version of the useage of words , depending on whether you
are arguing for or against their use, are you any relation to a Mr Dumpty?

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Keitht wrote:
There seems to be some francophobes around who are unable to understand
that the English language is made up of words from lots of forriners.

What would they substitute 'peloton' with (has to be seven letters or
less?

Pack.

Mob.

Field (in a racing sense).

The French jargon word "peloton" (unheard in the UK before a very few
years ago) is not a word that has been loaned to English. It is not widely
used. It is not used at all outside of a self-defined group of
"enthusiasts" (not to say "anoraks" - which *is* a loan word).


First citation in OED is from 1939