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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
On Jul 18, 11:20*am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:38:31 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: wrote: On Jul 17, 9:20 am, Siskuwihane wrote: Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH, making an animal carry them? I find the ankle twisting hoof prints to be more of a pain than the droppings, myself. Yes, both the above are correct - horses cause much more trail damage than either hikers or cyclists. In addition, the horse is much more dangerous to other users than a bicycle. A panicked, rearing horse can easily kill someone. So can a fast-moving bicycle. A bike going downhill fast is MUCH more dangerous than a horse. What do you think CAUSES panic in horses? Only bikes coming too fast around blind turns. Without bikes around, horses aren't dangerous at all. Totally false. |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
In article , Mike Vandeman says...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:38:31 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: wrote: On Jul 17, 9:20 am, Siskuwihane wrote: Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH, making an animal carry them? I find the ankle twisting hoof prints to be more of a pain than the droppings, myself. Yes, both the above are correct - horses cause much more trail damage than either hikers or cyclists. In addition, the horse is much more dangerous to other users than a bicycle. A panicked, rearing horse can easily kill someone. So can a fast-moving bicycle. A bike going downhill fast is MUCH more dangerous than a horse. What do you think CAUSES panic in horses? Only bikes coming too fast around blind turns. Without bikes around, horses aren't dangerous at all. I see we can add horses to the list of things you know next to nothing about. Just last week I spent a couple hours helping chase down one of the neighbor's horses that had thrown her after having been spooked by a flock of quail that took off from the brush in front of them. Fortunately, no one was hurt; and the only damage was to her son's bike, the front wheel of which was rather mangled when the stampeding horse stepped on it. Bob I am working on creating horse habitat that is off-limits to quail ("un-bird-ened habitat"). Want to help? Please don't allow Mike next to any part of your body that you are fond of! |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
"Siskuwihane" wrote in message ... On Jul 17, 9:03 pm, "Jeff Strickland" wrote: "Siskuwihane" wrote in message ... On Jul 17, 10:28 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:20:35 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane wrote: On Jul 16, 11:35 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: From: [a Marin County resident] Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:40:54 -0700 Subject: Mt.bikes on trails I have lived in Marin County for 50 years, seeing firsthand the rise of, and impact from, mountain bicycling. I am an equestrian and hiker. Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH, making an animal carry them? It's better than using motor vehicles or mountain bikes. For people with disabilities, it may be their only access to wilderness. Wrong. NO animal should be used as a vehicle for a human, a point you seem to be avoiding, that's not surprising considering your documented habit of avoiding the TRUTH. A horse doesn't ask to carry around a human, dummy. Wildlife doesn't want what is "better" for selfish people, they want what's BEST for them and that means not having their lives interupted or habitat destroyed by people who have to bring huge animals into their environment for their own pleasure. JS You, my friend, are a refreshing breath of fresh air. Finally, somebody that outshines Vandeman as a pure idiot. /JS- Hide quoted text - In time, you too will be able to tell a post that is using "Vandelogic". JS Yes, I suppose I will. Thanks, I was starting to worry. /JS |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
On Jul 17, 7:41 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:07:25 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane wrote: On Jul 17, 10:28 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:20:35 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane wrote: On Jul 16, 11:35 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: From: [a Marin County resident] Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:40:54 -0700 Subject: Mt.bikes on trails I have lived in Marin County for 50 years, seeing firsthand the rise of, and impact from, mountain bicycling. I am an equestrian and hiker. Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH, making an animal carry them? It's better than using motor vehicles or mountain bikes. For people with disabilities, it may be their only access to wilderness. Wrong. NO animal should be used as a vehicle for a human, a point you seem to be avoiding, that's not surprising considering your documented habit of avoiding the TRUTH. A horse doesn't ask to carry around a human, dummy. Wildlife doesn't want what is "better" for selfish people, There isn't much that's more selfish than working in the airline industry. Or denying people with disabilities the right to visit the wilderness they pay for. they want what's BEST for them and that means not having their lives interupted or habitat destroyed by people who have to bring huge animals into their environment for their own pleasure. Horses are domesticated animals, not wildlife. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande So I guess what you are hinting at is that its alright to abuse domesticated animals, but not alright to abuse wildlife. Perhaps since thy're not native to North America they should be sent back to where they came from. |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
Per Tom Sherman:
Yes, both the above are correct - horses cause much more trail damage than either hikers or cyclists. My experience is probably limited to a small subset of trail surfaces, but where I ride hikers and bikers pack the trail - making it hard and durable. Horses till the trail, seemingly making it subject to erosion during rainfall; although I have yet to see any real damage from either use. -- PeteCresswell |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
Siskuwihane wrote:
On Jul 18, 11:23 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:23:06 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane ... But you want to deny them that right when they want to use a bicycle. Disabled people can't use bikes, because you have to be able to walk hime, in case you get a flat. Another Michael J. Vandeman LIE. Spare tubes, patches, pumps. All are carried by most cyclists. Stop lying to make a point, it makes you lose what little credibility you may have had. Indeed, there are quite a few paraplegic hand cyclists out there who could negotiate most hiking type trails with an appropriate tire choice. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "People who had no mercy will find none." - Anon. |
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Bob Berger wrote:
In article , Mike Vandeman says... On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:38:31 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: wrote: On Jul 17, 9:20 am, Siskuwihane wrote: Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH, making an animal carry them? I find the ankle twisting hoof prints to be more of a pain than the droppings, myself. Yes, both the above are correct - horses cause much more trail damage than either hikers or cyclists. In addition, the horse is much more dangerous to other users than a bicycle. A panicked, rearing horse can easily kill someone. So can a fast-moving bicycle. A bike going downhill fast is MUCH more dangerous than a horse. What do you think CAUSES panic in horses? Only bikes coming too fast around blind turns. Without bikes around, horses aren't dangerous at all. I see we can add horses to the list of things you know next to nothing about. Just last week I spent a couple hours helping chase down one of the neighbor's horses that had thrown her after having been spooked by a flock of quail that took off from the brush in front of them. Fortunately, no one was hurt; and the only damage was to her son's bike, the front wheel of which was rather mangled when the stampeding horse stepped on it. I have spooked horses in a paddock or field just by riding a recumbent bicycle by on the adjacent public road. Horses are not too bright, and being descended from prey animals, their natural reaction is to bolt from the unknown. This instinct has not been completely bred out in domestication. Bob I am working on creating horse habitat that is off-limits to quail ("un-bird-ened habitat"). Want to help? Is this habitat also off limits to lawyers? Please don't allow Mike next to any part of your body that you are fond of! Yes, that could explain a lot. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "People who had no mercy will find none." - Anon. |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Tom Sherman: Yes, both the above are correct - horses cause much more trail damage than either hikers or cyclists. My experience is probably limited to a small subset of trail surfaces, but where I ride hikers and bikers pack the trail - making it hard and durable. Horses till the trail, seemingly making it subject to erosion during rainfall; although I have yet to see any real damage from either use. Do the hikers and cyclists defecate on the trail? Why are the equestrians not required to put diapers on their horses? After all, most public parks require dog walkers to pick up and put their dogs' feces in appropriate disposal container. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "People who had no mercy will find none." - Anon. |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
They learn from people who drive SUV and throw cigarette butts out the
window? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Siskuwihane" wrote in message news:72c5a546-a57c-4999-a38d- Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH, making an animal carry them? |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
Stormin Mormon aka Christopher A. Young wrote:
They learn from people who drive SUV and throw cigarette butts out the window? Maybe from TOP POSTERS? -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "People who had no mercy will find none." - Anon. |
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