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Old July 18th 08, 07:28 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Siskuwihane[_2_]
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On Jul 18, 11:20*am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:38:31 -0500, Tom Sherman





wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 17, 9:20 am, Siskuwihane wrote:
Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can
always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse
deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH,
making an animal carry them?


I find the ankle twisting hoof prints to be more of a pain than the
droppings, myself.


Yes, both the above are correct - horses cause much more trail damage
than either hikers or cyclists.


In addition, the horse is much more dangerous to other users than a
bicycle. A panicked, rearing horse can easily kill someone.


So can a fast-moving bicycle. A bike going downhill fast is MUCH more
dangerous than a horse. What do you think CAUSES panic in horses? Only
bikes coming too fast around blind turns. Without bikes around, horses
aren't dangerous at all.


Totally false.
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Old July 18th 08, 11:18 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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In article , Mike Vandeman says...

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:38:31 -0500, Tom Sherman
wrote:

wrote:
On Jul 17, 9:20 am, Siskuwihane wrote:
Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can
always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse
deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH,
making an animal carry them?

I find the ankle twisting hoof prints to be more of a pain than the
droppings, myself.


Yes, both the above are correct - horses cause much more trail damage
than either hikers or cyclists.

In addition, the horse is much more dangerous to other users than a
bicycle. A panicked, rearing horse can easily kill someone.


So can a fast-moving bicycle. A bike going downhill fast is MUCH more
dangerous than a horse. What do you think CAUSES panic in horses? Only
bikes coming too fast around blind turns. Without bikes around, horses
aren't dangerous at all.


I see we can add horses to the list of things you know next to nothing about.

Just last week I spent a couple hours helping chase down one of the neighbor's
horses that had thrown her after having been spooked by a flock of quail that
took off from the brush in front of them. Fortunately, no one was hurt; and the
only damage was to her son's bike, the front wheel of which was rather mangled
when the stampeding horse stepped on it.

Bob

I am working on creating horse habitat that is off-limits to quail
("un-bird-ened habitat"). Want to help?

Please don't allow Mike next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

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Old July 18th 08, 11:38 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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"Siskuwihane" wrote in message
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On Jul 17, 9:03 pm, "Jeff Strickland" wrote:
"Siskuwihane" wrote in message

...
On Jul 17, 10:28 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:





On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:20:35 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane


wrote:
On Jul 16, 11:35 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
From: [a Marin County resident]
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:40:54 -0700
Subject: Mt.bikes on trails


I have lived in Marin County for 50 years, seeing firsthand the rise
of, and impact from, mountain bicycling. I am an equestrian and
hiker.


Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can
always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse
deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH,
making an animal carry them?


It's better than using motor vehicles or mountain bikes. For people
with disabilities, it may be their only access to wilderness.


Wrong.

NO animal should be used as a vehicle for a human, a point you seem to
be avoiding, that's not surprising considering your documented habit
of avoiding the TRUTH. A horse doesn't ask to carry around a human,
dummy.

Wildlife doesn't want what is "better" for selfish people, they want
what's BEST for them and that means not having their lives interupted
or habitat destroyed by people who have to bring huge animals into
their environment for their own pleasure.

JS
You, my friend, are a refreshing breath of fresh air.

Finally, somebody that outshines Vandeman as a pure idiot.

/JS- Hide quoted text -



In time, you too will be able to tell a post that is using
"Vandelogic".


JS
Yes, I suppose I will.

Thanks, I was starting to worry.

/JS



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Old July 19th 08, 01:58 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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On Jul 17, 7:41 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:07:25 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane



wrote:
On Jul 17, 10:28 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:20:35 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane


wrote:
On Jul 16, 11:35 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
From: [a Marin County resident]
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:40:54 -0700
Subject: Mt.bikes on trails


I have lived in Marin County for 50 years, seeing firsthand the rise
of, and impact from, mountain bicycling. I am an equestrian and
hiker.


Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can
always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse
deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH,
making an animal carry them?


It's better than using motor vehicles or mountain bikes. For people
with disabilities, it may be their only access to wilderness.


Wrong.


NO animal should be used as a vehicle for a human, a point you seem to
be avoiding, that's not surprising considering your documented habit
of avoiding the TRUTH. A horse doesn't ask to carry around a human,
dummy.


Wildlife doesn't want what is "better" for selfish people,


There isn't much that's more selfish than working in the airline
industry. Or denying people with disabilities the right to visit the
wilderness they pay for.

they want

what's BEST for them and that means not having their lives interupted
or habitat destroyed by people who have to bring huge animals into
their environment for their own pleasure.


Horses are domesticated animals, not wildlife.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande


So I guess what you are hinting at is that its alright to abuse
domesticated animals, but not alright to abuse wildlife. Perhaps
since thy're not native to North America they should be sent back to
where they came from.
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Old July 19th 08, 02:11 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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Per Tom Sherman:
Yes, both the above are correct - horses cause much more trail damage
than either hikers or cyclists.


My experience is probably limited to a small subset of trail
surfaces, but where I ride hikers and bikers pack the trail -
making it hard and durable. Horses till the trail, seemingly
making it subject to erosion during rainfall; although I have yet
to see any real damage from either use.
--
PeteCresswell
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Old July 19th 08, 03:25 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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Siskuwihane wrote:
On Jul 18, 11:23 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:23:06 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
...
But you want to deny them that right when they want to use a bicycle.

Disabled people can't use bikes, because you have to be able to walk
hime, in case you get a flat.


Another Michael J. Vandeman LIE.

Spare tubes, patches, pumps. All are carried by most cyclists. Stop
lying to make a point, it makes you lose what little credibility you
may have had.

Indeed, there are quite a few paraplegic hand cyclists out there who
could negotiate most hiking type trails with an appropriate tire choice.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"People who had no mercy will find none." - Anon.
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Old July 19th 08, 03:37 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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Bob Berger wrote:
In article , Mike Vandeman says...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:38:31 -0500, Tom Sherman
wrote:

wrote:
On Jul 17, 9:20 am, Siskuwihane wrote:
Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can
always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse
deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH,
making an animal carry them?
I find the ankle twisting hoof prints to be more of a pain than the
droppings, myself.
Yes, both the above are correct - horses cause much more trail damage
than either hikers or cyclists.

In addition, the horse is much more dangerous to other users than a
bicycle. A panicked, rearing horse can easily kill someone.

So can a fast-moving bicycle. A bike going downhill fast is MUCH more
dangerous than a horse. What do you think CAUSES panic in horses? Only
bikes coming too fast around blind turns. Without bikes around, horses
aren't dangerous at all.


I see we can add horses to the list of things you know next to nothing about.

Just last week I spent a couple hours helping chase down one of the neighbor's
horses that had thrown her after having been spooked by a flock of quail that
took off from the brush in front of them. Fortunately, no one was hurt; and the
only damage was to her son's bike, the front wheel of which was rather mangled
when the stampeding horse stepped on it.

I have spooked horses in a paddock or field just by riding a recumbent
bicycle by on the adjacent public road. Horses are not too bright, and
being descended from prey animals, their natural reaction is to bolt
from the unknown. This instinct has not been completely bred out in
domestication.

Bob

I am working on creating horse habitat that is off-limits to quail
("un-bird-ened habitat"). Want to help?

Is this habitat also off limits to lawyers?

Please don't allow Mike next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

Yes, that could explain a lot.

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"People who had no mercy will find none." - Anon.
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Old July 19th 08, 03:43 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Tom Sherman:
Yes, both the above are correct - horses cause much more trail damage
than either hikers or cyclists.


My experience is probably limited to a small subset of trail
surfaces, but where I ride hikers and bikers pack the trail -
making it hard and durable. Horses till the trail, seemingly
making it subject to erosion during rainfall; although I have yet
to see any real damage from either use.


Do the hikers and cyclists defecate on the trail?

Why are the equestrians not required to put diapers on their horses?
After all, most public parks require dog walkers to pick up and put
their dogs' feces in appropriate disposal container.

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"People who had no mercy will find none." - Anon.
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Old July 19th 08, 04:38 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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They learn from people who drive SUV and throw cigarette butts out the
window?

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"Siskuwihane" wrote in message
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Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can
always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse
deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH,
making an animal carry them?


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Old July 19th 08, 04:41 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Tom Sherman[_2_]
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Stormin Mormon aka Christopher A. Young wrote:
They learn from people who drive SUV and throw cigarette butts out the
window?

Maybe from TOP POSTERS?

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