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Dan O wrote:
On Feb 8, 2:16 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote: ... and super-steep hills in every direction. Old, dense, and damned hard to ride a bike in! Pittsburgh cyclists have my admiration. How about "Whjee!" (Seriously, I thought you were uber-competent ;-) Frank would have us believe so, AFAICT. JS. |
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On 2/7/2011 11:42 PM, Wes Newell wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 19:30:47 -0600, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote: Wes Newell appears to believe summary execution for petty theft is morally correct. I hate to keep this OT crap going, but I never said that, nor do I believe it. You certainly implied it. Maybe a writing course is in order? -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On Feb 8, 7:24*pm, James wrote:
Dan O wrote: On Feb 8, 2:16 pm, Frank Krygowski wrote: ... and super-steep hills in every direction. *Old, dense, and damned hard to ride a bike in! *Pittsburgh cyclists have my admiration. How about "Whjee!" (Seriously, I thought you were uber-competent ;-) Frank would have us believe so, AFAICT. Frank has described all sorts of wonderful fantasies about how great he is. Of course he has never cited any authority OTHER than himself for such claims. ;-) DR |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
BTW, in addition to "grid" and "dendritic" I'd like another word for describing Pittsburgh. *Something that conveys a dense, intensely confusing tangle of streets with few right angles and super-steep hills in every direction. *Old, dense, and damned hard to ride a bike in! *Pittsburgh cyclists have my admiration. That makes me think of my dad's hometown in Colombia. Here's a map view of his old neighborhood: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...,0.034633&z=15 or http://preview.tinyurl.com/69ej7wh I visited there recently, and despite the numbered streets and avenues (which weren't always), routes from A to B tended to be non- intuitive. I think a combination of hilly terrain and original development without a plat or site plan led to a layout that has some qualities of a grid, but isn't a grid. I saw plenty of folks bicycling there, but almost all of them were very local delivery guys. Chalo |
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On 2/8/2011 5:16 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Feb 8, 1:58 pm, wrote: Peter Cole wrote: It's not so much the absolute population size that makes one place so different from another as population density. There is also the difference between a pre-motoring grid (or pre- industrial irregular mesh) layout, and a post-WWII dendritic layout where alternate routes have been eradicated by design. That is less a function of density and more a function of age. It makes a huge difference in the relationship between motor and non-motor traffic, as you know but as some others are slow to acknowledge. I think the grid vs. dendritic layout may be more important (and I like the word dendritic to describe that). For one thing, this metro area is, rather famously, losing population. The density is way down, particularly in the older areas, but the cycling is great because of the grid layout. In that context, reduced density actually helps. As it happens, I live right on the border between grid and dendritic. Fortunately, I don't have to deal with much of the latter before I'm out of town, at least in two directions. BTW, in addition to "grid" and "dendritic" I'd like another word for describing Pittsburgh. Something that conveys a dense, intensely confusing tangle of streets with few right angles and super-steep hills in every direction. Old, dense, and damned hard to ride a bike in! Pittsburgh cyclists have my admiration. Sounds like Boston except not so many steep hills. |
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On Feb 8, 3:16*pm, Frank Krygowski wrote:
...and super-steep hills in every direction. *Old, dense, and damned hard to ride a bike in! *Pittsburgh cyclists have my admiration. So cars don't suck but varied terrain is bad? Boy, do you ever have it backwards! DR |
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