Weights of my bikes

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 6:50:05 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-7, Tosspot wrote:
On 18/05/2021 00:37, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 19:53:11 +0100, Ade
wrote:

On 17/05/2021 18:39, Tom Kunich wrote:
Colnago CLX3.0 bare - 15.8 lbs Lemond Zurich bare - 20.3 lbs
Douglas Vector with seatpack. - 17.4 Douglas Ti with water bottle
and seat pack. - 20.3 lbs. Eddy Merckx with bottle half full and
heavy seatpack - 20.8

My 2018 Trek Emonda bare was 17.5 lbs.

As you can see, aluminum bikes do not necessary have a weight
penalty. Nor are titanium bikes particularly light.

I would say that since about 2001 that most decent bikes couldn't
be declared as "heavy". The complete Look KG585 which was a light
climbing bike was 16 lbs even bare.


Making bikes light is one thing, making them last is another.

My last allow bike was a Specialised Allez. The frame was light
enough, about 1.5KG (3 lbs in old speak). I weighed it when I
stripped it for return, it had cracked due to fatigue. It was a
thing of beauty, much nicer than the horrid oversized carbon frame
they replaced it with.

My previous alloy Trek failed at about the same distance, ~10,000
miles.

I thought the benefit of titanium was that like steel it had a
fatigue limit, meaning it wouldn't inevitably eventually fatigue
like aluminium. I know aluminium bikes can be made so the fatigue
failure takes a long time, but I suspect this adds weight. So I
bought a cheap heavy gravel type bike, it is real heavy, but
surprisingly fun to ride.

Given that the CDC reports that 70.2% of U.S. adults are overweight
or obese the frantic search for a lighter bicycle seems rather
futile.
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-inf...ity#definition

Not really, it's easier to push up a hill :-)
John is probably so overweight that he can't get up from the sofa without a lift.

Overweight is NOT a measurement. You can be overweight with just 5 lbs above your ideal weight for your body type. I am 6'4" and have a slender body type and I have an ideal weight of 180 lbs. So my 190 lbs. puts me overweight even though a "normal" body type has an ideal body weight of 185-190.

Gross Obesity is and it is only 1 in 7 Americans and most of those are Hispanics.

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
Above link lists rates of obesity in the USA. Strangely the article is dated Feb 2021 but is using 2017-18 for its data. Not sure why its using data that is three years old now.

"most of those are Hispanics." Tom, are you trying to cozy up to Trump by explicitly insulting Hispanics? He is known for that lovable trait.

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/adult/defining.html
In the above link "obesity" is split into three categories. If your Body Mass Index is 40 or above you are in the "severe" category. I guess we can equate Gross Obesity to Severe Obesity. At your 76 inch height, you would need to be 328 pounds to qualify as 40 BMI.

Following is from the first link above.
"Non-Hispanic Black adults (49.6%) had the highest age-adjusted prevalence of obesity, followed by Hispanic adults (44.8%), non-Hispanic White adults (42.2%) and non-Hispanic Asian adults (17.4%)."

Following quote below is also from the first link above. If "severe obesity" was 9.2% in 2017-18. Then your statement of "Gross Obesity is and it is only 1 in 7 Americans and most of those are Hispanics." would imply 1 in 7 is 14.3% and that is 5% higher than reality. But that is a fact and must be thrown away because its the truth. 18% of USA population is Hispanic. 1 in 5 roughly. "most of those are Hispanics" means at least 50% of the severe obesity is from Hispanics. So they account for 7.15% of the total. They are only 18% of the population, so if we divide your 7.15% by 18%, we get 39.72% of the total USA Hispanic population must be severely obese, BMI of 40. You are overestimating and exaggerating on many different numbers. Please try to get some of the facts correct before making your outlandish comments.
"From 1999–2000 through 2017–2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%, and the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%."

Of course BMI is not a great scale for determining obesity or evaluating weight healthiness. A short, stocky, muscular man could easily be considered obese if only using BMI.

On Sat, 22 May 2021 00:58:53 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 10:39:21 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
Y'all seem to be making mountains out of molehills. After we were
married it was 20 years before my wife had her first washing machine
:-)
--
John B.

You've been living in Thailand for awhile. Your wife is Thailand native. Guessing there is a perception, cultural, country of origin factor involved here. I assume there are a few people, men, on this forum who have daughters that married and went to live with their new husbands. I doubt any of them have stories of their daughters not having a washing machine for 20 years. Leaving out the daughters who lived in New York City/San Francisco apartments for 20 years and who could not afford to buy a house or washer/dryer.

Hopefully you did notice the smiley at the end of my post :-)
(For most of that 20 years we had servant(s) :-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 4:28:07 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Op zaterdag 22 mei 2021 om 10:21:30 UTC+2 schreef :
On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 4:32:12 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Five visits a year and 2 loads per visit?????? Never understood the concept of a laundromat. Sitting there waiting the wash/dry to finish.....We have no laundromats here. Everyone has a washer and most of them also a dryer.

Lou

Its been almost 30 years since I was in Netherlands. August 1992. I do not recall how I did laundry while riding through Netherlands. Whether I found a laundromat or the hostels I stayed in had washing machines. Or I just waited, used dirty clothes until I got down to Belgium. On the summer of bicycling through Europe in 1992 I do not recall ever washing clothes by hand in the sink. I did go to a few laundromats over the summer. I recall a very pleasant laundromat in a city outside Venice where I met a nice girl and had an enjoyable supper with her in a restaurant. Took the commuter train to Venice the next day for touring. I do remember riding on the trails in Netherlands. At times I did not like the trails because they separated from the roads on my map and I wondered if I was going to the right destination because I could not see the road on my map and was just riding blind and hoping I was going to end up where I wanted to.
In tourist locations like hostel, B&B holiday apartments etc. they often offer the use of a washing machine and a dryer. In hotels they have a washing service. In a family household however a washing machine and a dryer is considered a necessity of life. I can't imagine a family household with a couple of kids using a laundromat. If a washing machine breaks there is a panic and it has to be repaired or replaced within a couple of days otherwise the whole system breaks down. We have dry cleaners though but laundromats nah.

Lou

Renting, living must be different Netherlands compared to USA. As mentioned, big apartment buildings or buildings exclusively dedicated to apartments only, have on site washers and dryers. But in the USA we also have many houses that have been converted to rental units. Or houses split into sections, upstairs and downstairs. That are rented out to two different tenants.. And none of these types of rentals would have laundry machines in the building provided by the owner. The owner of the building does not provide a free/coin washer to use. I own a house I am offering for rental. I do provide a refrigerator and stove in the kitchen but I am not providing a washer for the rental. This scenario is very common in the USA. These are not furnished apartments, houses either. You bring your own furniture. So in the USA we have many renters who do not have easy access to laundry machines and MUST go to a laundromat to clean clothes.

I spent 1.5 years renting an apartment during college. The building did not have on site washers. You found a laundromat for clothes washing. The next apartment I had in this college town did have on site washers for the units.

Op zaterdag 22 mei 2021 om 11:53:14 UTC+2 schreef :
On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 4:28:07 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Op zaterdag 22 mei 2021 om 10:21:30 UTC+2 schreef :
On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 4:32:12 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Five visits a year and 2 loads per visit?????? Never understood the concept of a laundromat. Sitting there waiting the wash/dry to finish.....We have no laundromats here. Everyone has a washer and most of them also a dryer.

Lou

Its been almost 30 years since I was in Netherlands. August 1992. I do not recall how I did laundry while riding through Netherlands. Whether I found a laundromat or the hostels I stayed in had washing machines. Or I just waited, used dirty clothes until I got down to Belgium. On the summer of bicycling through Europe in 1992 I do not recall ever washing clothes by hand in the sink. I did go to a few laundromats over the summer. I recall a very pleasant laundromat in a city outside Venice where I met a nice girl and had an enjoyable supper with her in a restaurant. Took the commuter train to Venice the next day for touring. I do remember riding on the trails in Netherlands. At times I did not like the trails because they separated from the roads on my map and I wondered if I was going to the right destination because I could not see the road on my map and was just riding blind and hoping I was going to end up where I wanted to.
In tourist locations like hostel, B&B holiday apartments etc. they often offer the use of a washing machine and a dryer. In hotels they have a washing service. In a family household however a washing machine and a dryer is considered a necessity of life. I can't imagine a family household with a couple of kids using a laundromat. If a washing machine breaks there is a panic and it has to be repaired or replaced within a couple of days otherwise the whole system breaks down. We have dry cleaners though but laundromats nah.

Lou
Renting, living must be different Netherlands compared to USA. As mentioned, big apartment buildings or buildings exclusively dedicated to apartments only, have on site washers and dryers. But in the USA we also have many houses that have been converted to rental units. Or houses split into sections, upstairs and downstairs. That are rented out to two different tenants. And none of these types of rentals would have laundry machines in the building provided by the owner. The owner of the building does not provide a free/coin washer to use. I own a house I am offering for rental. I do provide a refrigerator and stove in the kitchen but I am not providing a washer for the rental. This scenario is very common in the USA. These are not furnished apartments, houses either. You bring your own furniture. So in the USA we have many renters who do not have easy access to laundry machines and MUST go to a laundromat to clean clothes.

I spent 1.5 years renting an apartment during college. The building did not have on site washers. You found a laundromat for clothes washing. The next apartment I had in this college town did have on site washers for the units.

For the record everyone buys his own washing machine and dryer, even if they rent a house or apartment. Furnished apartments and houses are also very rare here. We like to own our stuff. A typica; washing machine and dryer is 60*60 cm and you can pu the dryer on top of the washing machine so you only need a floorspace of 0.36 m^2, so the lack of floorspace can't be the reason.

Lou

On 5/22/2021 2:50 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:04:09 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2021 8:19 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 5:43:36 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2021 10:57:48 -0700, sms
wrote:
On 5/19/2021 10:11 AM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

Why do you just make this sh** up? It's not cute. Neither I nor Frank nor anyone has said that other materials do not fail as often or more often that Ti. I've broken four or more steel frames, five or more aluminum. It is likely that had I owned Ti, I would have broken it. I broke a Ti chain (stupid purchase) and Ti pedal spindles (also a stupid purchase), but that was back in the '70s when Ti was pretty sketchy and was expected to break.

Wow, you're really hard on your frames. Have you considered counseling?
Never mind the broken bicycle problem he also has metal - probably
titanium - body parts :-)

I've broken six or seven cranks, multiple pedals, BB spindle, hub axle, handlebars, a seat clamp, derailleur hanger (twig snarled RD), chains -- almost every component on a bike except a stem. Even though I broke several of the cranks riding out of the saddle -- and one in an all-out sprint -- I never crashed. Frame failures are usually pretty benign, too, and you just end up with a click or a creak or a wobbly frame -- or most often for me, I just find a crack while cleaning the bike and retire the frame. The only failure I truly dread is a broken fork, which is not a failure you can just ride through. I've never broken a fork (crossing fingers) -- well, I did break a fork, but the bike was in a roof rack and collided with a garage door header. Ooops.

-- Jay Beattie.




Good observation.
Frame failures may be inconvenient, annoying, expensive etc
but I can't recall an actual rider injury from one. Forks,
yes, are a different matter.

The frame failure I had was due to a car-bike crash. I was on the bike of course. I left the scene in an ambulance and stayed in the hospital for a night I think. My broken frame and its attached parts got hauled to the police station. I picked them up later.




Just to be clear the frame failure was a result of
catastrophic impact, right? Frame failure didn't cause your
injuries, right?


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 9:52:48 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 16:41:29 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:40:27 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/21/2021 10:36 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 6:30:39 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/20/2021 3:57 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/20/2021 11:33 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:


Acceleration of gravity is 8 m/2^2 ...
No.

You just love it when I make a typo. That gives you the chance to pretend that I'm wrong.

Didn't you mean TWO "typos"? ;-)

So it is your opinion that 9.8 m/s^2 is not the acceleration of gravity?
If anyone can explain Tom's blather to me, please do. What he wrote
above makes absolutely no sense.


--
- Frank Krygowski

I am not surprised you don't understand simple physics, https://www.physicsclassroom.com/cla...ion-of-Gravity
OOOh Tommy, you googled it! and here you were bad mouthing Frank and I
for googling. And now you are doing the same thing.

the pot and the kettle?

This is exactly the sort of thing I am commenting on. You are so stupid you cannot tell the difference from you acting as if you were there and did that because you googled something and giving a reference to Frank because he believes he knows something that is entirely wrong.

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 12:05:12 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 4:51:27 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Drivel: What bothers me is why Tom has such a high error rate. In
order to be wrong over 90% of the time, one has to intentionally
contrive wrong answers. Random ignorance would produce a
substantially lower error rate.

I subscribe this trait to Tom being a Trump Republican. Tom, Trump, Republicans lie 90% of the time on 90% of the subjects they encounter. So this characteristic becomes their modus operandi. And then they assume this is reality. The way the real world really works. Lies are truth to Tom Trump Republicans.

An analogy. Waking up early at 6 AM for work Mon-Fri. A routine pattern develops. And you get up extra early on Sat and Sun too even though there is no need to. Its routine. You lie 90% of the time you are talking, writing. So lies are normal. Lies are your reality. You lie 90% of the time.

Whereas you love the idea of there being 2 million more illegal aliens, much of them violent gang members, in this country by the end of 2022. You sure must live in a safe place. In the last 5 years there have been 3 hit and runs of cars parked out in front of my home on the street. Hit and run in California is NORMAL because they are illegal and don't have driver's licenses and insurance. But they have a new car.

So, what makes being consistently
wrong so important to Tom that he does it so regularly, consistently,
and possibly intentionally? My guess(tm) is that Tom wants attention
and being wrong provides him with an audience willing to assist by
offering corrections. If Tom's answers were routinely correct, he
would receive very few replies from readers of R.B.T. Most readers
would think "yeah, that's right" and move on. However, if he writes
things that are totally wrong, readers feel obligated to provide
corrections. That's the way to draw a crowd and it works. That also
explains why Tom replies to every new thread, even his own threads,
without fail.

"Narcissistic personality disorder"
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662
See the list of symptoms. I think I've seen almost all of them. Do
these sound familiar?
- Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance.
- Exaggerate achievements and talents.
- Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance...
- Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally
special people.
- Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they
perceive as inferior.
- Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited,
boastful and pretentious.
- Insist on having the best of everything...


Are you talking about Tom or Trump in the above list? I cannot tell.

Israel is at war right not and it is likely that the US will be dragged into it because of people like you. Russia, China and the entire middle east easily recognize Biden and nothing more than a demented sock puppet and you don't even know who is operating him. Presidents are elected so you know who the leader is. In Biden's case he is nothing more than a mouthpiece of - WHO?

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 1:41:31 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 9:36:58 AM UTC-5, wrote:
So it is your opinion that 9.8 m/s^2 is not the acceleration of gravity? Sorry, you missed another great chance and instead simply looked like John with his copying and pasting Google because he doesn't know anything himself.

Gosh Tom, I feel neglected and unappreciated now. Mentioning John but not me. I use Google to demonstrate your failures. But my use of Google to demonstrate your fallacy does not demonstrate my lack of knowledge. I use Google to find facts. Facts such as the rate of inflation or GDP or stock market values for the Dow, Nasdaq, S&P over the past 20-50 years. Simple FACTS that no one could be expected to remember in detail. But FACTS that can be looked up and used to refute your myriad of falsehoods. Facts that can be used in logical reasoning to refute your lies. Google is good.

No, you, like John look for something that upholds your view. You have absolutely no care as to whether it is accurate or not. We are being told that there is no inflation and yet I went to the cut rate store yesterday, bought a small frozen pizza, a half gallon of lactose free milk and a small two serving cake. This cost $35 and change and you are telling me that there is no inflation because you will it that way.

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 2:32:06 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 6:50:05 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-7, Tosspot wrote:
On 18/05/2021 00:37, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 19:53:11 +0100, Ade
wrote:

On 17/05/2021 18:39, Tom Kunich wrote:
Colnago CLX3.0 bare - 15.8 lbs Lemond Zurich bare - 20.3 lbs
Douglas Vector with seatpack. - 17.4 Douglas Ti with water bottle
and seat pack. - 20.3 lbs. Eddy Merckx with bottle half full and
heavy seatpack - 20.8

My 2018 Trek Emonda bare was 17.5 lbs.

As you can see, aluminum bikes do not necessary have a weight
penalty. Nor are titanium bikes particularly light.

I would say that since about 2001 that most decent bikes couldn't
be declared as "heavy". The complete Look KG585 which was a light
climbing bike was 16 lbs even bare.


Making bikes light is one thing, making them last is another.

My last allow bike was a Specialised Allez. The frame was light
enough, about 1.5KG (3 lbs in old speak). I weighed it when I
stripped it for return, it had cracked due to fatigue. It was a
thing of beauty, much nicer than the horrid oversized carbon frame
they replaced it with.

My previous alloy Trek failed at about the same distance, ~10,000
miles.

I thought the benefit of titanium was that like steel it had a
fatigue limit, meaning it wouldn't inevitably eventually fatigue
like aluminium. I know aluminium bikes can be made so the fatigue
failure takes a long time, but I suspect this adds weight. So I
bought a cheap heavy gravel type bike, it is real heavy, but
surprisingly fun to ride.

Given that the CDC reports that 70.2% of U.S. adults are overweight
or obese the frantic search for a lighter bicycle seems rather
futile.
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-inf...ity#definition

Not really, it's easier to push up a hill :-)
John is probably so overweight that he can't get up from the sofa without a lift.

Overweight is NOT a measurement. You can be overweight with just 5 lbs above your ideal weight for your body type. I am 6'4" and have a slender body type and I have an ideal weight of 180 lbs. So my 190 lbs. puts me overweight even though a "normal" body type has an ideal body weight of 185-190.

Gross Obesity is and it is only 1 in 7 Americans and most of those are Hispanics.
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
Above link lists rates of obesity in the USA. Strangely the article is dated Feb 2021 but is using 2017-18 for its data. Not sure why its using data that is three years old now.

"most of those are Hispanics." Tom, are you trying to cozy up to Trump by explicitly insulting Hispanics? He is known for that lovable trait.

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/adult/defining.html
In the above link "obesity" is split into three categories. If your Body Mass Index is 40 or above you are in the "severe" category. I guess we can equate Gross Obesity to Severe Obesity. At your 76 inch height, you would need to be 328 pounds to qualify as 40 BMI.

Following is from the first link above.
"Non-Hispanic Black adults (49.6%) had the highest age-adjusted prevalence of obesity, followed by Hispanic adults (44.8%), non-Hispanic White adults (42.2%) and non-Hispanic Asian adults (17.4%)."

Following quote below is also from the first link above. If "severe obesity" was 9.2% in 2017-18. Then your statement of "Gross Obesity is and it is only 1 in 7 Americans and most of those are Hispanics." would imply 1 in 7 is 14.3% and that is 5% higher than reality. But that is a fact and must be thrown away because its the truth. 18% of USA population is Hispanic. 1 in 5 roughly. "most of those are Hispanics" means at least 50% of the severe obesity is from Hispanics. So they account for 7.15% of the total. They are only 18% of the population, so if we divide your 7.15% by 18%, we get 39.72% of the total USA Hispanic population must be severely obese, BMI of 40. You are overestimating and exaggerating on many different numbers. Please try to get some of the facts correct before making your outlandish comments..
"From 1999–2000 through 2017–2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%, and the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%."

Of course BMI is not a great scale for determining obesity or evaluating weight healthiness. A short, stocky, muscular man could easily be considered obese if only using BMI.

So you interpret "overweight" just as I did as if you somehow are contradicting me? Perhaps you can explain what "overweight" means in this la-la land of yours?

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 3:53:01 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Op zaterdag 22 mei 2021 om 11:53:14 UTC+2 schreef :
On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 4:28:07 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Op zaterdag 22 mei 2021 om 10:21:30 UTC+2 schreef :
On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 4:32:12 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Five visits a year and 2 loads per visit?????? Never understood the concept of a laundromat. Sitting there waiting the wash/dry to finish......We have no laundromats here. Everyone has a washer and most of them also a dryer.

Lou

Its been almost 30 years since I was in Netherlands. August 1992. I do not recall how I did laundry while riding through Netherlands. Whether I found a laundromat or the hostels I stayed in had washing machines. Or I just waited, used dirty clothes until I got down to Belgium. On the summer of bicycling through Europe in 1992 I do not recall ever washing clothes by hand in the sink. I did go to a few laundromats over the summer. I recall a very pleasant laundromat in a city outside Venice where I met a nice girl and had an enjoyable supper with her in a restaurant. Took the commuter train to Venice the next day for touring. I do remember riding on the trails in Netherlands. At times I did not like the trails because they separated from the roads on my map and I wondered if I was going to the right destination because I could not see the road on my map and was just riding blind and hoping I was going to end up where I wanted to.
In tourist locations like hostel, B&B holiday apartments etc. they often offer the use of a washing machine and a dryer. In hotels they have a washing service. In a family household however a washing machine and a dryer is considered a necessity of life. I can't imagine a family household with a couple of kids using a laundromat. If a washing machine breaks there is a panic and it has to be repaired or replaced within a couple of days otherwise the whole system breaks down. We have dry cleaners though but laundromats nah.

Lou
Renting, living must be different Netherlands compared to USA. As mentioned, big apartment buildings or buildings exclusively dedicated to apartments only, have on site washers and dryers. But in the USA we also have many houses that have been converted to rental units. Or houses split into sections, upstairs and downstairs. That are rented out to two different tenants.. And none of these types of rentals would have laundry machines in the building provided by the owner. The owner of the building does not provide a free/coin washer to use. I own a house I am offering for rental. I do provide a refrigerator and stove in the kitchen but I am not providing a washer for the rental. This scenario is very common in the USA. These are not furnished apartments, houses either. You bring your own furniture. So in the USA we have many renters who do not have easy access to laundry machines and MUST go to a laundromat to clean clothes.

I spent 1.5 years renting an apartment during college. The building did not have on site washers. You found a laundromat for clothes washing. The next apartment I had in this college town did have on site washers for the units.
For the record everyone buys his own washing machine and dryer, even if they rent a house or apartment. Furnished apartments and houses are also very rare here. We like to own our stuff. A typica; washing machine and dryer is 60*60 cm and you can pu the dryer on top of the washing machine so you only need a floorspace of 0.36 m^2, so the lack of floorspace can't be the reason.

Lou
Lou, Russell has never had any money and unless he wins the lottery never will. I expect if he lives in a home he owns he inherited it. Here too people typically own their own homes and everything in them. In large cities most people rent because they cannot afford to buy a home for various reasons, It is rare to rent furnished apartments here as well. Usually only upper class apartments and often where they hire a decorating group. Or very low-end apartments where they normally have to through out flea and louse infested furniture to the curb where it sets until someone "steals" it because the city would never think of cleaning anything up in these neighborhoods.

One might say that I presently live in a house that I inherited save the fact that I bought it for my mother to begin with. I also paid most of her medical bills which ran to almost a million dollars and I paid for her hospice care in her waning days. She did though arrange and pay for her own funeral a long time ahead so that she had exactly the kind of burial and service she wanted.