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Shimano headset with hose clamp (for Frank)
As promised here is the pic of the hose clamp "solution" for a Shiomano
headset that used to come loose all the time: http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Hoseclamp.JPG Some day I'll re-do it by underlaying something up front so the whole thing is flush with the bottom ring. Long story short I rode 60mi with that and this included dirt roads, bush paths and dilapidated highway surfaces. In the past the headset was guaranteed to come loose on each of them. No more. So I guess we can conclude that this redneck fix works. Ok, it doesn't look great and I'll probably get a new headset some day but for right now the problem is ... gone. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Shimano headset with hose clamp (for Frank)
On 03/06/16 10:24, Joerg wrote:
As promised here is the pic of the hose clamp "solution" for a Shiomano headset that used to come loose all the time: http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Hoseclamp.JPG Some day I'll re-do it by underlaying something up front so the whole thing is flush with the bottom ring. Long story short I rode 60mi with that and this included dirt roads, bush paths and dilapidated highway surfaces. In the past the headset was guaranteed to come loose on each of them. No more. So I guess we can conclude that this redneck fix works. Ok, it doesn't look great and I'll probably get a new headset some day but for right now the problem is ... gone. Ghastly. Fix it properly. I've had one of those headsets. It didn't come loose all the time, no matter what roads I rode on. -- JS |
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Shimano headset with hose clamp (for Frank)
On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 12:39:21 AM UTC-4, James wrote:
On 03/06/16 10:24, Joerg wrote: As promised here is the pic of the hose clamp "solution" for a Shiomano headset that used to come loose all the time: http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Hoseclamp.JPG Some day I'll re-do it by underlaying something up front so the whole thing is flush with the bottom ring. Long story short I rode 60mi with that and this included dirt roads, bush paths and dilapidated highway surfaces. In the past the headset was guaranteed to come loose on each of them. No more. So I guess we can conclude that this redneck fix works. Ok, it doesn't look great and I'll probably get a new headset some day but for right now the problem is ... gone. Ghastly. Fix it properly. I've had one of those headsets. It didn't come loose all the time, no matter what roads I rode on. -- JS I think that Joerg rode it ao often and so far with it being "Finger Tight" that he's knackered the headset threads and it'll no longer tighten and stay tight. Cheers |
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Shimano headset with hose clamp (for Frank)
On 2016-06-03 00:16, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 12:39:21 AM UTC-4, James wrote: On 03/06/16 10:24, Joerg wrote: As promised here is the pic of the hose clamp "solution" for a Shiomano headset that used to come loose all the time: http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Hoseclamp.JPG Some day I'll re-do it by underlaying something up front so the whole thing is flush with the bottom ring. Long story short I rode 60mi with that and this included dirt roads, bush paths and dilapidated highway surfaces. In the past the headset was guaranteed to come loose on each of them. No more. So I guess we can conclude that this redneck fix works. Ok, it doesn't look great and I'll probably get a new headset some day but for right now the problem is ... gone. Ghastly. Fix it properly. I've had one of those headsets. It didn't come loose all the time, no matter what roads I rode on. -- JS I think that Joerg rode it ao often and so far with it being "Finger Tight" that he's knackered the headset threads and it'll no longer tighten and stay tight. I find it amazing how people venture to make a diagnostic statement across thousands of miles which is then flat wrong. After this hose clamp fix the headset is adjusted just right, has no play in either direction and also not the slightest hint of indexing. The steering turns freely and the bike has good hands-off behavior. So can you tell me what exactly is knackered? The only reason why I'd ever replace it is going to be cosmetic and that is very low on the priority list. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Shimano headset with hose clamp (for Frank)
On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 11:38:09 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-06-03 00:16, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 12:39:21 AM UTC-4, James wrote: On 03/06/16 10:24, Joerg wrote: As promised here is the pic of the hose clamp "solution" for a Shiomano headset that used to come loose all the time: http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Hoseclamp.JPG Some day I'll re-do it by underlaying something up front so the whole thing is flush with the bottom ring. Long story short I rode 60mi with that and this included dirt roads, bush paths and dilapidated highway surfaces. In the past the headset was guaranteed to come loose on each of them. No more. So I guess we can conclude that this redneck fix works. Ok, it doesn't look great and I'll probably get a new headset some day but for right now the problem is ... gone. Ghastly. Fix it properly. I've had one of those headsets. It didn't come loose all the time, no matter what roads I rode on. -- JS I think that Joerg rode it ao often and so far with it being "Finger Tight" that he's knackered the headset threads and it'll no longer tighten and stay tight. I find it amazing how people venture to make a diagnostic statement across thousands of miles which is then flat wrong. After this hose clamp fix the headset is adjusted just right, has no play in either direction and also not the slightest hint of indexing. The steering turns freely and the bike has good hands-off behavior. So can you tell me what exactly is knackered? The only reason why I'd ever replace it is going to be cosmetic and that is very low on the priority list. It is an abomination. An offense against God. You shall be smitten by His mountain lions. Mark my words. -- Jay Beattie. |
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Shimano headset with hose clamp (for Frank)
On 2016-06-04 12:33, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 11:38:09 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2016-06-03 00:16, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 12:39:21 AM UTC-4, James wrote: On 03/06/16 10:24, Joerg wrote: As promised here is the pic of the hose clamp "solution" for a Shiomano headset that used to come loose all the time: http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Hoseclamp.JPG Some day I'll re-do it by underlaying something up front so the whole thing is flush with the bottom ring. Long story short I rode 60mi with that and this included dirt roads, bush paths and dilapidated highway surfaces. In the past the headset was guaranteed to come loose on each of them. No more. So I guess we can conclude that this redneck fix works. Ok, it doesn't look great and I'll probably get a new headset some day but for right now the problem is ... gone. Ghastly. Fix it properly. I've had one of those headsets. It didn't come loose all the time, no matter what roads I rode on. -- JS I think that Joerg rode it ao often and so far with it being "Finger Tight" that he's knackered the headset threads and it'll no longer tighten and stay tight. I find it amazing how people venture to make a diagnostic statement across thousands of miles which is then flat wrong. After this hose clamp fix the headset is adjusted just right, has no play in either direction and also not the slightest hint of indexing. The steering turns freely and the bike has good hands-off behavior. So can you tell me what exactly is knackered? The only reason why I'd ever replace it is going to be cosmetic and that is very low on the priority list. It is an abomination. An offense against God. You shall be smitten by His mountain lions. Mark my words. Oh, and did I ever confess that I switched out the classic Shimano loop pedals on this road bike against ... gasp ... mountain bike pedals? There are many more abominations. Like chunks of an old MTB tire (one that spectacularly blew) between panniers and rack, to muffle the rattling on rough roads. It's got an MTB saddle as well. Two lights up front, three in back. Also an MP3 player with speaker and Bluetooth for which a friend made a Delrin clamp that clamps it to the steerer tube. White Delrin on a blue frame, because that's what was there. Looks odd but it sure works. Maybe I'll stick a brewpub bumper sticker on it. The handlebar tape is all in tatters. I have new tape but just haven't gotten around to it. Though in the summer the plain aluminum feels uncomfortable as a grip so I'll have to. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Shimano headset with hose clamp (for Frank)
On 6/4/2016 2:38 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-06-03 00:16, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 12:39:21 AM UTC-4, James wrote: On 03/06/16 10:24, Joerg wrote: As promised here is the pic of the hose clamp "solution" for a Shiomano headset that used to come loose all the time: http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Hoseclamp.JPG Some day I'll re-do it by underlaying something up front so the whole thing is flush with the bottom ring. Long story short I rode 60mi with that and this included dirt roads, bush paths and dilapidated highway surfaces. In the past the headset was guaranteed to come loose on each of them. No more. So I guess we can conclude that this redneck fix works. Ok, it doesn't look great and I'll probably get a new headset some day but for right now the problem is ... gone. Ghastly. Fix it properly. I've had one of those headsets. It didn't come loose all the time, no matter what roads I rode on. -- JS I think that Joerg rode it ao often and so far with it being "Finger Tight" that he's knackered the headset threads and it'll no longer tighten and stay tight. I find it amazing how people venture to make a diagnostic statement across thousands of miles which is then flat wrong. After this hose clamp fix the headset is adjusted just right, has no play in either direction and also not the slightest hint of indexing. The steering turns freely and the bike has good hands-off behavior. So can you tell me what exactly is knackered? The only reason why I'd ever replace it is going to be cosmetic and that is very low on the priority list. I'm curious about the exact function of the hose clamp. Is it to prevent the (top) lock nut from rotating with respect to the main adjustable race? -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Shimano headset with hose clamp (for Frank)
On 2016-06-04 12:40, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/4/2016 2:38 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2016-06-03 00:16, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 12:39:21 AM UTC-4, James wrote: On 03/06/16 10:24, Joerg wrote: As promised here is the pic of the hose clamp "solution" for a Shiomano headset that used to come loose all the time: http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Hoseclamp.JPG Some day I'll re-do it by underlaying something up front so the whole thing is flush with the bottom ring. Long story short I rode 60mi with that and this included dirt roads, bush paths and dilapidated highway surfaces. In the past the headset was guaranteed to come loose on each of them. No more. So I guess we can conclude that this redneck fix works. Ok, it doesn't look great and I'll probably get a new headset some day but for right now the problem is ... gone. Ghastly. Fix it properly. I've had one of those headsets. It didn't come loose all the time, no matter what roads I rode on. -- JS I think that Joerg rode it ao often and so far with it being "Finger Tight" that he's knackered the headset threads and it'll no longer tighten and stay tight. I find it amazing how people venture to make a diagnostic statement across thousands of miles which is then flat wrong. After this hose clamp fix the headset is adjusted just right, has no play in either direction and also not the slightest hint of indexing. The steering turns freely and the bike has good hands-off behavior. So can you tell me what exactly is knackered? The only reason why I'd ever replace it is going to be cosmetic and that is very low on the priority list. I'm curious about the exact function of the hose clamp. Is it to prevent the (top) lock nut from rotating with respect to the main adjustable race? Yes. Which means that it could theoretically still come loose. But this would require both nuts to turn in unison and that just doesn't seem to happen. It was always the top one coming loose first, way loose, and then the main one gradually followed. It works but I agree that it does not look pretty. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Shimano headset with hose clamp (for Frank)
On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 2:38:09 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-06-03 00:16, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 12:39:21 AM UTC-4, James wrote: On 03/06/16 10:24, Joerg wrote: As promised here is the pic of the hose clamp "solution" for a Shiomano headset that used to come loose all the time: http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Hoseclamp.JPG Some day I'll re-do it by underlaying something up front so the whole thing is flush with the bottom ring. Long story short I rode 60mi with that and this included dirt roads, bush paths and dilapidated highway surfaces. In the past the headset was guaranteed to come loose on each of them. No more. So I guess we can conclude that this redneck fix works. Ok, it doesn't look great and I'll probably get a new headset some day but for right now the problem is ... gone. Ghastly. Fix it properly. I've had one of those headsets. It didn't come loose all the time, no matter what roads I rode on. -- JS I think that Joerg rode it ao often and so far with it being "Finger Tight" that he's knackered the headset threads and it'll no longer tighten and stay tight. I find it amazing how people venture to make a diagnostic statement across thousands of miles which is then flat wrong. After this hose clamp fix the headset is adjusted just right, has no play in either direction and also not the slightest hint of indexing. The steering turns freely and the bike has good hands-off behavior. So can you tell me what exactly is knackered? The only reason why I'd ever replace it is going to be cosmetic and that is very low on the priority list. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Sure. The threads on either the headset cup or the headset lockring have to be damaged if they don't stay tight when/if the headset is properly adjusted. They should NOT NEED a hose clamp to stay tight. If they do then it's beyond obvious that something somewhere is damaged. Cheers |
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Shimano headset with hose clamp (for Frank)
On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 14:53:34 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 2:38:09 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2016-06-03 00:16, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 12:39:21 AM UTC-4, James wrote: On 03/06/16 10:24, Joerg wrote: As promised here is the pic of the hose clamp "solution" for a Shiomano headset that used to come loose all the time: http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Hoseclamp.JPG Some day I'll re-do it by underlaying something up front so the whole thing is flush with the bottom ring. Long story short I rode 60mi with that and this included dirt roads, bush paths and dilapidated highway surfaces. In the past the headset was guaranteed to come loose on each of them. No more. So I guess we can conclude that this redneck fix works. Ok, it doesn't look great and I'll probably get a new headset some day but for right now the problem is ... gone. Ghastly. Fix it properly. I've had one of those headsets. It didn't come loose all the time, no matter what roads I rode on. -- JS I think that Joerg rode it ao often and so far with it being "Finger Tight" that he's knackered the headset threads and it'll no longer tighten and stay tight. I find it amazing how people venture to make a diagnostic statement across thousands of miles which is then flat wrong. After this hose clamp fix the headset is adjusted just right, has no play in either direction and also not the slightest hint of indexing. The steering turns freely and the bike has good hands-off behavior. So can you tell me what exactly is knackered? The only reason why I'd ever replace it is going to be cosmetic and that is very low on the priority list. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Sure. The threads on either the headset cup or the headset lockring have to be damaged if they don't stay tight when/if the headset is properly adjusted. They should NOT NEED a hose clamp to stay tight. If they do then it's beyond obvious that something somewhere is damaged. Cheers The head set he describes has, I believe, an aluminum lock nut and aluminum being softer then steel will easily either wear or, perhaps strip, the threads whereupon its ability to "lock" the threads becomes nil. I can't remember the price the last time I bought a head set but Amazon has them for as low as $10 (I'm sure that I've bought them cheaper) and I wonder that would have been the results of buying a new headset and using the lock nut from that ? But, of course, even an "all stainless" hose clamp is a cheaper solution. -- cheers, John B. |
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