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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
Got a couple snaps of a road that looks to me, on the bike like a 'wall', where the B-Monticello Bike/ped trail crosses the ride up to the apple orchard. (Note: One reply suggested tilting camera parallel to flat, which will give right perspective.) It *is* tough getting it to look as steep as it really is (or at least how you *remember* it was!). I just tossed a few photos onto a page to see who well (or poorly) I've managed to capture Sonora Pass- Here's my contribution. I had been wanting to get a good picture of this steep grade, so I finally took my camera with me in September (a bulky Olympus E-10 - ugh! What a great camera, though. I hope to get a good compact from "Santa" this year, so I can take more pictures more often.) The stretch in the picture is .2 miles of 18% - 19% grade. It is on a relatively short ride near my house - Flagstaff Mountain Road to the Green Mountain Trail head - 16.5 miles up and back - a 2400 foot climb. I've done this ride many, many times. I didn't get a "dramatic" picture on the way up (that *is* hard), but I think I captured a bit of what it's like on the descent. I sit upright and "soar" - feeling like I'm in a glider, looking for the runway on the flats down below. I love it every time - a big wind in my face grin. The "final approach." Here's a horizontal: http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/f...proach-hsm.php and a vertical: http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/f...proach-vsm.php (And for bigger screens - http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/finalapproach-h.php - http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/finalapproach-v.php) (Note the RV at the bottom of the hill. The driver had made the mistake of getting that far and then had to park it. I'm not sure how they got it back down. That's the second half of a very tight, very steep, double hairpin.) Then there is shooting off to the side, like the second maniacal picture he http://www.cycletourist.com/Scenes/Colorado.html (I don't recall the grade, but it was not "extreme." A touring load really gets you rolling on those descents.) Here's one from Austria (the second photo - scroll down): http://www.cycletourist.com/Scenes/A...fore_Rain.html It seems that it may be easier to portray the grade when looking down the hill (?), and also having a vehicle on the road for perspective and scale. And, not to start a ****ing match - not my intention at all. But I have to wonder if grades aren't figured differently at times. I see the sign in your picture, Mike, that says 26% grade and I can't imagine even pedaling on that. I've ridden the 19% grade (above) and on a supposed 22% grade in Austria, and that seemed about my limit. How much harder would a 26% grade be? What does the physical difference between riding a 20% grade or a 26% grade actually feel like. Like ..... once the grade hits 20%, there's no telling the difference between that and 26%? Is it the same as the difference between 0% and 6%? Just pondering. -- ***************************** Chuck Anderson • Boulder, CO http://www.CycleTourist.com Integrity is obvious. The lack of it is common. ***************************** |
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
Got a couple snaps of a road that looks to me, on the bike like a 'wall', where the B-Monticello Bike/ped trail crosses the ride up to the apple orchard. (Note: One reply suggested tilting camera parallel to flat, which will give right perspective.) It *is* tough getting it to look as steep as it really is (or at least how you *remember* it was!). I just tossed a few photos onto a page to see who well (or poorly) I've managed to capture Sonora Pass- Here's my contribution. I had been wanting to get a good picture of this steep grade, so I finally took my camera with me in September (a bulky Olympus E-10 - ugh! What a great camera, though. I hope to get a good compact from "Santa" this year, so I can take more pictures more often.) The stretch in the picture is .2 miles of 18% - 19% grade. It is on a relatively short ride near my house - Flagstaff Mountain Road to the Green Mountain Trail head - 16.5 miles up and back - a 2400 foot climb. I've done this ride many, many times. I didn't get a "dramatic" picture on the way up (that *is* hard), but I think I captured a bit of what it's like on the descent. I sit upright and "soar" - feeling like I'm in a glider, looking for the runway on the flats down below. I love it every time - a big wind in my face grin. The "final approach." Here's a horizontal: http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/f...proach-hsm.php and a vertical: http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/f...proach-vsm.php (And for bigger screens - http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/finalapproach-h.php - http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/finalapproach-v.php) (Note the RV at the bottom of the hill. The driver had made the mistake of getting that far and then had to park it. I'm not sure how they got it back down. That's the second half of a very tight, very steep, double hairpin.) Then there is shooting off to the side, like the second maniacal picture he http://www.cycletourist.com/Scenes/Colorado.html (I don't recall the grade, but it was not "extreme." A touring load really gets you rolling on those descents.) Here's one from Austria (the second photo - scroll down): http://www.cycletourist.com/Scenes/A...fore_Rain.html It seems that it may be easier to portray the grade when looking down the hill (?), and also having a vehicle on the road for perspective and scale. And, not to start a ****ing match - not my intention at all. But I have to wonder if grades aren't figured differently at times. I see the sign in your picture, Mike, that says 26% grade and I can't imagine even pedaling on that. I've ridden the 19% grade (above) and on a supposed 22% grade in Austria, and that seemed about my limit. How much harder would a 26% grade be? What does the physical difference between riding a 20% grade or a 26% grade actually feel like. Like ..... once the grade hits 20%, there's no telling the difference between that and 26%? Is it the same as the difference between 0% and 6%? Just pondering. -- ***************************** Chuck Anderson • Boulder, CO http://www.CycleTourist.com Integrity is obvious. The lack of it is common. ***************************** |
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From the Arlington Circle to the top on Marin Street (only .75 miles in a
straight line) here in Berkeley, the average grade is 18%, including flat spots where streets cross. A number of sections near the top hit 33% (I measured it with a six foot level and measure). I've got a funny picture of a moving van high-centered at the top. Large trucks are prohibited and they had a jolly time getting that one loose, but the cops were not amused. -- Steve Juniper Berkeley, CA "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini "Chuck Anderson" wrote in message news:xqbhd.551521$8_6.12577@attbi_s04... Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: Got a couple snaps of a road that looks to me, on the bike like a 'wall', where the B-Monticello Bike/ped trail crosses the ride up to the apple orchard. (Note: One reply suggested tilting camera parallel to flat, which will give right perspective.) It *is* tough getting it to look as steep as it really is (or at least how you *remember* it was!). I just tossed a few photos onto a page to see who well (or poorly) I've managed to capture Sonora Pass- Here's my contribution. I had been wanting to get a good picture of this steep grade, so I finally took my camera with me in September (a bulky Olympus E-10 - ugh! What a great camera, though. I hope to get a good compact from "Santa" this year, so I can take more pictures more often.) The stretch in the picture is .2 miles of 18% - 19% grade. It is on a relatively short ride near my house - Flagstaff Mountain Road to the Green Mountain Trail head - 16.5 miles up and back - a 2400 foot climb. I've done this ride many, many times. I didn't get a "dramatic" picture on the way up (that *is* hard), but I think I captured a bit of what it's like on the descent. I sit upright and "soar" - feeling like I'm in a glider, looking for the runway on the flats down below. I love it every time - a big wind in my face grin. The "final approach." Here's a horizontal: http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/f...proach-hsm.php and a vertical: http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/f...proach-vsm.php (And for bigger screens - http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/finalapproach-h.php - http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/finalapproach-v.php) (Note the RV at the bottom of the hill. The driver had made the mistake of getting that far and then had to park it. I'm not sure how they got it back down. That's the second half of a very tight, very steep, double hairpin.) Then there is shooting off to the side, like the second maniacal picture he http://www.cycletourist.com/Scenes/Colorado.html (I don't recall the grade, but it was not "extreme." A touring load really gets you rolling on those descents.) Here's one from Austria (the second photo - scroll down): http://www.cycletourist.com/Scenes/A...fore_Rain.html It seems that it may be easier to portray the grade when looking down the hill (?), and also having a vehicle on the road for perspective and scale. And, not to start a ****ing match - not my intention at all. But I have to wonder if grades aren't figured differently at times. I see the sign in your picture, Mike, that says 26% grade and I can't imagine even pedaling on that. I've ridden the 19% grade (above) and on a supposed 22% grade in Austria, and that seemed about my limit. How much harder would a 26% grade be? What does the physical difference between riding a 20% grade or a 26% grade actually feel like. Like ..... once the grade hits 20%, there's no telling the difference between that and 26%? Is it the same as the difference between 0% and 6%? Just pondering. -- ***************************** Chuck Anderson • Boulder, CO http://www.CycleTourist.com Integrity is obvious. The lack of it is common. ***************************** |
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From the Arlington Circle to the top on Marin Street (only .75 miles in a
straight line) here in Berkeley, the average grade is 18%, including flat spots where streets cross. A number of sections near the top hit 33% (I measured it with a six foot level and measure). I've got a funny picture of a moving van high-centered at the top. Large trucks are prohibited and they had a jolly time getting that one loose, but the cops were not amused. -- Steve Juniper Berkeley, CA "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini "Chuck Anderson" wrote in message news:xqbhd.551521$8_6.12577@attbi_s04... Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: Got a couple snaps of a road that looks to me, on the bike like a 'wall', where the B-Monticello Bike/ped trail crosses the ride up to the apple orchard. (Note: One reply suggested tilting camera parallel to flat, which will give right perspective.) It *is* tough getting it to look as steep as it really is (or at least how you *remember* it was!). I just tossed a few photos onto a page to see who well (or poorly) I've managed to capture Sonora Pass- Here's my contribution. I had been wanting to get a good picture of this steep grade, so I finally took my camera with me in September (a bulky Olympus E-10 - ugh! What a great camera, though. I hope to get a good compact from "Santa" this year, so I can take more pictures more often.) The stretch in the picture is .2 miles of 18% - 19% grade. It is on a relatively short ride near my house - Flagstaff Mountain Road to the Green Mountain Trail head - 16.5 miles up and back - a 2400 foot climb. I've done this ride many, many times. I didn't get a "dramatic" picture on the way up (that *is* hard), but I think I captured a bit of what it's like on the descent. I sit upright and "soar" - feeling like I'm in a glider, looking for the runway on the flats down below. I love it every time - a big wind in my face grin. The "final approach." Here's a horizontal: http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/f...proach-hsm.php and a vertical: http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/f...proach-vsm.php (And for bigger screens - http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/finalapproach-h.php - http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/finalapproach-v.php) (Note the RV at the bottom of the hill. The driver had made the mistake of getting that far and then had to park it. I'm not sure how they got it back down. That's the second half of a very tight, very steep, double hairpin.) Then there is shooting off to the side, like the second maniacal picture he http://www.cycletourist.com/Scenes/Colorado.html (I don't recall the grade, but it was not "extreme." A touring load really gets you rolling on those descents.) Here's one from Austria (the second photo - scroll down): http://www.cycletourist.com/Scenes/A...fore_Rain.html It seems that it may be easier to portray the grade when looking down the hill (?), and also having a vehicle on the road for perspective and scale. And, not to start a ****ing match - not my intention at all. But I have to wonder if grades aren't figured differently at times. I see the sign in your picture, Mike, that says 26% grade and I can't imagine even pedaling on that. I've ridden the 19% grade (above) and on a supposed 22% grade in Austria, and that seemed about my limit. How much harder would a 26% grade be? What does the physical difference between riding a 20% grade or a 26% grade actually feel like. Like ..... once the grade hits 20%, there's no telling the difference between that and 26%? Is it the same as the difference between 0% and 6%? Just pondering. -- ***************************** Chuck Anderson • Boulder, CO http://www.CycleTourist.com Integrity is obvious. The lack of it is common. ***************************** |
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From the Arlington Circle to the top on Marin Street (only .75 miles in a
straight line) here in Berkeley, the average grade is 18%, including flat spots where streets cross. A number of sections near the top hit 33% (I measured it with a six foot level and measure). I've got a funny picture of a moving van high-centered at the top. Large trucks are prohibited and they had a jolly time getting that one loose, but the cops were not amused. -- Steve Juniper Berkeley, CA "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini "Chuck Anderson" wrote in message news:xqbhd.551521$8_6.12577@attbi_s04... Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: Got a couple snaps of a road that looks to me, on the bike like a 'wall', where the B-Monticello Bike/ped trail crosses the ride up to the apple orchard. (Note: One reply suggested tilting camera parallel to flat, which will give right perspective.) It *is* tough getting it to look as steep as it really is (or at least how you *remember* it was!). I just tossed a few photos onto a page to see who well (or poorly) I've managed to capture Sonora Pass- Here's my contribution. I had been wanting to get a good picture of this steep grade, so I finally took my camera with me in September (a bulky Olympus E-10 - ugh! What a great camera, though. I hope to get a good compact from "Santa" this year, so I can take more pictures more often.) The stretch in the picture is .2 miles of 18% - 19% grade. It is on a relatively short ride near my house - Flagstaff Mountain Road to the Green Mountain Trail head - 16.5 miles up and back - a 2400 foot climb. I've done this ride many, many times. I didn't get a "dramatic" picture on the way up (that *is* hard), but I think I captured a bit of what it's like on the descent. I sit upright and "soar" - feeling like I'm in a glider, looking for the runway on the flats down below. I love it every time - a big wind in my face grin. The "final approach." Here's a horizontal: http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/f...proach-hsm.php and a vertical: http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/f...proach-vsm.php (And for bigger screens - http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/finalapproach-h.php - http://www.cycletourist.com/photos/finalapproach-v.php) (Note the RV at the bottom of the hill. The driver had made the mistake of getting that far and then had to park it. I'm not sure how they got it back down. That's the second half of a very tight, very steep, double hairpin.) Then there is shooting off to the side, like the second maniacal picture he http://www.cycletourist.com/Scenes/Colorado.html (I don't recall the grade, but it was not "extreme." A touring load really gets you rolling on those descents.) Here's one from Austria (the second photo - scroll down): http://www.cycletourist.com/Scenes/A...fore_Rain.html It seems that it may be easier to portray the grade when looking down the hill (?), and also having a vehicle on the road for perspective and scale. And, not to start a ****ing match - not my intention at all. But I have to wonder if grades aren't figured differently at times. I see the sign in your picture, Mike, that says 26% grade and I can't imagine even pedaling on that. I've ridden the 19% grade (above) and on a supposed 22% grade in Austria, and that seemed about my limit. How much harder would a 26% grade be? What does the physical difference between riding a 20% grade or a 26% grade actually feel like. Like ..... once the grade hits 20%, there's no telling the difference between that and 26%? Is it the same as the difference between 0% and 6%? Just pondering. -- ***************************** Chuck Anderson • Boulder, CO http://www.CycleTourist.com Integrity is obvious. The lack of it is common. ***************************** |
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