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Old July 11th 06, 05:20 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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russell said
So you will have to increase your weekly mileage

from 200 to 280 and make sure you are riding racer fast for all of
those miles to take off 1 pound a week.


Actually it is not the speed that burns calories at all it is energy spent
over distance. time is not a factor. Weight and fitness are, thus
efficiency with an aerobically fit body is easier. If you walk briskly one
mile or jog it Same calories burned. Sprinting is actually anaerobic and
you burn muscle energy first and then the fat. Lasts 20 minutes maybe after
that it is aerobic energy.
BTW. Get a good book I would not listen to half the things people are
saying here. they could give you a heart attack


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Old July 11th 06, 06:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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ackfugue wrote:
I'm sure this question has been asked a million and one times, but I am
desperate.

Between my childhood, into my teens and into my 20s, I was at an ideal
weight. I'm 6 feet tall. I used to be all of about 145 lbs in my
early teens, then worked up to about 155 and to 160. I was always
active, always outdoors, always playing sports. I won 3 physical
fitness awards from elem. school into middle school. In high school, I
was in track & field. My friends and I played football in the street
practically everyday. I got into biking in my late teens, but not
seriously, just for exercise. In my 20s, my activity was going out to
the nightclubs and dancing 2 or 3 times a week, for 6 hours a night.

Then, I entered my 30s and things went down hill from there. My jobs
pretty much made me sedentary like so many other Americans, and I could
no longer just eat whatever I wanted to and get away with it. I guess
you could say, what people told me finally came true: my matobilism
finally caught up up me and ran on past me.

I saw so many of my friends turn to cycling to lose the weight. Some
of them surpassed me in weight by MANY lbs. As soon as they began
cycling, they became virtual tooth-picks! I couldn't believe me eyes.
I still can't. "What is your secret?" "What diet are you on?" ...
"Nothing, I just started bicycling."

So, then I started doing the same, and as hard as I ride, and as far as
I ride, it has done NOTHING to change my weight, and I am getting,
frankly, quite depressed. No pain, no gain? Well, I have done the
pain and showed little gain, except a fatter ass. I'm going out, riding
at least 200 miles a week with no results. Sure, my legs feel like
wrought iron underneath the layer of fat that encases it all. My
stomach keeps sneaking a little more outwardly pudge everytime I look
in the mirror. I weigh myself everyday looking for results and find
none.

I rode 100 miles this past Saturday, and when I got home, I lost about
4 or 5 lbs. I was just shy over 190. Then, I weigh myself today, and
I am just under 200. What the HECK is going on?? I'm wondering if
most of that is water gain. I mean, I felt like I couldn't get enough
to drink the past few days, and with all the liquid I am drinking,
you'd think I would be ****ing like Niagara Falls. Nope.. Just a
tinkle here and a tinkle there. So, my body must be absorbing it like
a sponge and storing it all up.

And I am finding it hard to believe that my friends (not really CLOSE
friends) are doing NOTHING aside from cycling. They must be dieting,
also. But as much as I tell myself that I will not eat a tall
cheeseburger and fries after a hard ride, it just doesn't happen. The
bad side always wins. It is SOOO hard when my body is hanging on by a
thread after a long ride in the saddle.

The odd thing is, with all the cycling I have been doing lately I can't
sit down and eat a large meal. What I used to pack away before, I can
no longer do. Value meals, etc. Whatever - I eat about half of it and
I throw the rest away because I feel full. But, even though I am
eating half the portion that I used to, I am NOT losing weight.

At this point, I don't know what to do. I'll keep on cycling because I
love doing it. I just want to know: Is water gain a real issue, and
does it affect how my body breaks down solids? Is there a "biker's
diet" that I can follow that will help me lose the weight and yet feel
as full as if I bit into a steak & cheese sub or a slice of pizza? I
need a sensible solution.

I keep reading how complex carbs are important for athleticism, but
where do I draw the line? How many complex carbs are too much? Maybe
I am just eating the wrong kinds of carbs after a day in the saddle. I
pretty much feel like I am gaining back everything I burn off in a
matter of one or two days, and more!

HELP!


Your "friends" did not lose weight by bicycling alone. Unless they
were training for RAAM. Bicycling is too efficient of an activity to
burn many excess calories unless you are watching your calorie intake.
Roughly 700 calories are burned going 18 mph. Roughly. In the US
eating excess calories is very easy since there are so many high
calorie processed foods around. Many people gain weight on RAGBRAI.
Riding 500 miles in 7 days is far more than anyone but professionals
ride in a week. Yet RAGBRAI riders gain weight because they eat more
calories than they consume.


Calories burned is entirely dependant upon amount of power produced. In
general a heavier person will burn more calories per a given speed that
a lighter person, as they have to generate more power to achieve that
speed. Unless someone is disastrously obese with a serious eating
disorder, most any exercise will result in weight loss if the diet is
kept the same. The trick is to add exercise without increasing the
calorie intake. Easier said than done, but not too difficult.

A fast and furious evening ride of two hours (40 miles) consumes about
1500 calories. But if you drink a couple Pepsis before the ride (300
Cal) plus a couple granola bars (220 Cal) to make sure you have enough
energy to get through the ride, and after the ride you re-energize
yourself with an extra Big Mac (500 Cal, you eat supper at McDonalds)
and lo and behold, you merely burned 500 calories net during your two
hour fast and furious ride. Do that every single day and you will lose
1 pound in a week. So you will have to increase your weekly mileage
from 200 to 280 and make sure you are riding racer fast for all of
those miles to take off 1 pound a week.


This is entirely true. This is why I advocate low intensity rides as
for weight loss. The total calorie expenditure per unit of time is less
due to lower speed, but the voracious appetite to replenish dosen't
rear it's ugly head making it easier to avoid a post ride binge.

To lose weight you must reduce the number of calories you consume.
Exercising is great and fun and should be done too. But you have to
reduce the calories you consume to lose weight. You have to run
roughly a 3,500 calorie deficit to lose 1 pound. So to lose 1 pound a
week, you have to eat 500 fewer calories a day than you burn. I think
a Big Mac has a bit over 500 calories. So for lunch you could skip the
Big Mac and just eat the french fries, and diet Coke.


My vote mould be to skip the fries, and opt for something like a Big
mac hold the cheese and hold the sauce. These two ingredients are
calorie packed and don't contribute to your feeling of fullness too
much. Just unecessary excess. The fries IMO are the worst choice. They
are almost as many calories as the big mac, lots of fats, and high GI
carbs, essentially zero protein.

I'm sure what types of food have some impact on weight loss. Maybe
eating all fat or all protein or all carbohydrates matters some. But a
balanced diet of healtyhy foods is probalby best for most people. And
in the end no matter what types of calories you consume, the key aspect
is eating fewer calories than you burn. You also have to stay on your
diet/meal plan forever to keep the weight off. Reducing weight
permanently involves a permanent lifestyle change. A permanent change
in your eating habits.


Indeed permanent lifestyle changes and an all-arounbd healthy diet are
the ideal. But it is also important find an acheivable balance where
you phase in these changes. Otherwise you end up falling off the wagon
too much and not getting anywhere. The main idea behind the low-carb
diets is that most carbs are absorbed into the blood faster than they
can be used up, so the body quickly converts the excess into fat before
you have even had a chance to use them. So a cookie binge adds lots of
calories to your system, but since a large number of them get converted
to fat right away, you get hungry again soon, and have more cookies. A
diet with lower carbs takes longer to digest and is available for
energy over a longer time, so the body doesn't convert as much of it to
fat right away. So the satiated feeling lasts longer and the craving
for sweets goes away which in turn makes it easier to achieve healthy
diet changes.

One of the problems people facing weight loss issues is that the
prospect of huge life-long changes to the diet is daunting and seems
insurmaountable. For me the trick was to take it step by step in small
increments. My diet today is quite healthy, and a far cry from my
heaviest period, but I could not have just gone "cold turkey" to my
current diet. Phasing into it is what has made it approachable.

Good luck!

Joseph

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Old July 11th 06, 11:00 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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ackfugue says...

So, then I started doing the same, and as hard as I ride, and as far as
I ride, it has done NOTHING to change my weight, and I am getting,
frankly, quite depressed. No pain, no gain? Well, I have done the
pain and showed little gain, except a fatter ass. I'm going out, riding
at least 200 miles a week with no results. Sure, my legs feel like
wrought iron underneath the layer of fat that encases it all. My
stomach keeps sneaking a little more outwardly pudge everytime I look
in the mirror. I weigh myself everyday looking for results and find
none.

I rode 100 miles this past Saturday, and when I got home, I lost about
4 or 5 lbs. I was just shy over 190. Then, I weigh myself today, and
I am just under 200. What the HECK is going on?? I'm wondering if
most of that is water gain. I mean, I felt like I couldn't get enough
to drink the past few days, and with all the liquid I am drinking,
you'd think I would be ****ing like Niagara Falls. Nope.. Just a
tinkle here and a tinkle there. So, my body must be absorbing it like
a sponge and storing it all up.


For one thing, 200 miles per week is a lot of riding. How long have you
been at it and how long is your typical ride? One of the key things
that exercise does besides burn calories is build muscle. If you lose
fat but gain muscle, you may not see much change in scale weight over
the short term. This is well documented and repeated over and over by
fitness gurus. Another thing that may be at work is that if you don't
give yourself rest days two or three times a week, you can get into
over-training mode where the muscles don't have enough time to recover
enough between rides and therefore do not grow as fast as they might.

Weight loss researchers are learning is that the body resists changes in
weight. Some doctor might be able to explain why, but basically what
that means is that the first part of a weight loss program is usually
the slowest to show results. Beware of dieting buzz words. Ten years
ago we were all going to be skinny by cutting out fat. When I told the
tubby women I worked with that one could also gain weight by eating too
much carbs, they basically said I was an idiot. Then lo and behold a
few years later fat didn't matter. It was all in the carbs. Now that's
dead too. After each fad diet dies of apathy, a few doctors will come
out and say that cutting total calories is the only way to lose weight
and both carbs and fat have calories. But a diet that leans more toward
carbs than fat makes more sense for fitness oriented people, because
that is what muscles burn during strenuous exercise and what they need
to recover quickly.

Basically, I think you are on the right track. If your 200 miles a week
is 30 miles every day, consider going to 45 miles every other day to
incorporate some recovery time. Count calories if you want to, but it
is a chore to keep up with it all every day. But the low tech way is to
just let yourself go hungry part of the day. I truly believe that if we
are never hungry, then we will never be thin. You probably just need
more time to see the results you want.
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Old July 12th 06, 07:49 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:00:23 -0400, Barnard Frederick
wrote:

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But the low tech way is to
just let yourself go hungry part of the day. I truly believe that if we
are never hungry, then we will never be thin.


That's also been my experience. I've never been successful in losing
weight without a sensation of hunger from time to time.

I've yet to find the miracle "filler" which will still that feeling of
hunger, without throwing on calories which turn into fat, usually, as
someone else noted, on the stomach!
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Old July 12th 06, 08:12 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Fat weighs less than muscle. Soft fat less dangerous than hard.


Actually, one pound of fat weighs the same as one pound of muscle. Do you
mean that fat is less dense than muscle?


Drink water before you are thirsty.
Aerobic activity burns fat better than any other exercise. Stretch
before
and after a ride. regular better than sporadic and weekend warriors
program.

Heart rate is best indicator to see if you are impoving and
maintaining
aerobic fitness. Any fitness book can teach you the basics about
monitoring
your heart rate. (no equipment needed alas)
I think it is 75% max 3-4 times a week. See your Doctor to appove
any
program if you are over 55 or have a medical condition.
220- your age is your Max heart Rate. I think, actually, they just
changed
that to 200- your age. Am I right?


I don't think so, or I go above my max on every ride. The max HR I've
seen so far this year is 186, and I'm 42.

Take your vitamins. Eat raw fruit and vegables more or only. Fills
you up, 100% nutritious and no fat, transfat content. Prevents Cancer as
well as letting your stomach do what it was made for. Be alert however,
too
much a good thing is still bad. Fibre can actually cause intestinal
complications too.


I agree with this.

Less is More. Moderation is key. Think Thin. Lock the Fridge haha

Not get movin'

You do not need a fitness coach but it is easier to exercise in groups if
you are unmotivated. The latest thing is a video game by CATEYE
attached to
an exercise bike. They had people staying on the thing for 3 hours and
had
to be told to get off. hahaha
Might be worth looking into It is on sale somewhere i know.

cheers
Shirley




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Old July 12th 06, 08:19 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Bob in CT
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:31:09 -0400, wrote:

[cut]
To lose weight you must reduce the number of calories you consume.
Exercising is great and fun and should be done too. But you have to
reduce the calories you consume to lose weight. You have to run
roughly a 3,500 calorie deficit to lose 1 pound. So to lose 1 pound a
week, you have to eat 500 fewer calories a day than you burn. I think
a Big Mac has a bit over 500 calories. So for lunch you could skip the
Big Mac and just eat the french fries, and diet Coke.


My vote mould be to skip the fries, and opt for something like a Big
mac hold the cheese and hold the sauce. These two ingredients are
calorie packed and don't contribute to your feeling of fullness too
much. Just unecessary excess. The fries IMO are the worst choice. They
are almost as many calories as the big mac, lots of fats, and high GI
carbs, essentially zero protein.


They also are fried in trans-fat containing oil (typically), and
trans-fats are very, very bad.

I'm sure what types of food have some impact on weight loss. Maybe
eating all fat or all protein or all carbohydrates matters some. But a
balanced diet of healtyhy foods is probalby best for most people. And
in the end no matter what types of calories you consume, the key aspect
is eating fewer calories than you burn. You also have to stay on your
diet/meal plan forever to keep the weight off. Reducing weight
permanently involves a permanent lifestyle change. A permanent change
in your eating habits.


Indeed permanent lifestyle changes and an all-arounbd healthy diet are
the ideal. But it is also important find an acheivable balance where
you phase in these changes. Otherwise you end up falling off the wagon
too much and not getting anywhere. The main idea behind the low-carb
diets is that most carbs are absorbed into the blood faster than they
can be used up, so the body quickly converts the excess into fat before
you have even had a chance to use them. So a cookie binge adds lots of
calories to your system, but since a large number of them get converted
to fat right away, you get hungry again soon, and have more cookies. A
diet with lower carbs takes longer to digest and is available for
energy over a longer time, so the body doesn't convert as much of it to
fat right away. So the satiated feeling lasts longer and the craving
for sweets goes away which in turn makes it easier to achieve healthy
diet changes.

One of the problems people facing weight loss issues is that the
prospect of huge life-long changes to the diet is daunting and seems
insurmaountable. For me the trick was to take it step by step in small
increments. My diet today is quite healthy, and a far cry from my
heaviest period, but I could not have just gone "cold turkey" to my
current diet. Phasing into it is what has made it approachable.

Good luck!

Joseph


I'm on a low carb diet and have been for quite a while. Low carb doesn't
mean "no carb" -- you can still eat fruits and vegetables. You just don't
eat breads (except rarely, of course), desserts, rice, pasta, etc. Today,
I rode 17 miles (my "easy" ride -- not because of the distance but because
of the relative lack of hills) and had eggs, bacon, fruit, raw vegetables,
and sandwiches (w/low carb tortillas).

Bob

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Old July 12th 06, 08:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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ackfugue wrote:
I'm sure this question has been asked a million and one times, but I am
desperate.

Between my childhood, into my teens and into my 20s, I was at an ideal
weight. I'm 6 feet tall. I used to be all of about 145 lbs in my
early teens, then worked up to about 155 and to 160. I was always
active, always outdoors, always playing sports. I won 3 physical
fitness awards from elem. school into middle school. In high school, I
was in track & field. My friends and I played football in the street
practically everyday. I got into biking in my late teens, but not
seriously, just for exercise. In my 20s, my activity was going out to
the nightclubs and dancing 2 or 3 times a week, for 6 hours a night.

Then, I entered my 30s and things went down hill from there. My jobs
pretty much made me sedentary like so many other Americans, and I could
no longer just eat whatever I wanted to and get away with it. I guess
you could say, what people told me finally came true: my matobilism
finally caught up up me and ran on past me.

I saw so many of my friends turn to cycling to lose the weight. Some
of them surpassed me in weight by MANY lbs. As soon as they began
cycling, they became virtual tooth-picks! I couldn't believe me eyes.
I still can't. "What is your secret?" "What diet are you on?" ...
"Nothing, I just started bicycling."

So, then I started doing the same, and as hard as I ride, and as far as
I ride, it has done NOTHING to change my weight, and I am getting,
frankly, quite depressed. No pain, no gain? Well, I have done the
pain and showed little gain, except a fatter ass. I'm going out, riding
at least 200 miles a week with no results. Sure, my legs feel like
wrought iron underneath the layer of fat that encases it all. My
stomach keeps sneaking a little more outwardly pudge everytime I look
in the mirror. I weigh myself everyday looking for results and find
none.

I rode 100 miles this past Saturday, and when I got home, I lost about
4 or 5 lbs. I was just shy over 190. Then, I weigh myself today, and
I am just under 200. What the HECK is going on?? I'm wondering if
most of that is water gain. I mean, I felt like I couldn't get enough
to drink the past few days, and with all the liquid I am drinking,
you'd think I would be ****ing like Niagara Falls. Nope.. Just a
tinkle here and a tinkle there. So, my body must be absorbing it like
a sponge and storing it all up.

And I am finding it hard to believe that my friends (not really CLOSE
friends) are doing NOTHING aside from cycling. They must be dieting,
also. But as much as I tell myself that I will not eat a tall
cheeseburger and fries after a hard ride, it just doesn't happen. The
bad side always wins. It is SOOO hard when my body is hanging on by a
thread after a long ride in the saddle.

The odd thing is, with all the cycling I have been doing lately I can't
sit down and eat a large meal. What I used to pack away before, I can
no longer do. Value meals, etc. Whatever - I eat about half of it and
I throw the rest away because I feel full. But, even though I am
eating half the portion that I used to, I am NOT losing weight.

At this point, I don't know what to do. I'll keep on cycling because I
love doing it. I just want to know: Is water gain a real issue, and
does it affect how my body breaks down solids? Is there a "biker's
diet" that I can follow that will help me lose the weight and yet feel
as full as if I bit into a steak & cheese sub or a slice of pizza? I
need a sensible solution.

I keep reading how complex carbs are important for athleticism, but
where do I draw the line? How many complex carbs are too much? Maybe
I am just eating the wrong kinds of carbs after a day in the saddle. I
pretty much feel like I am gaining back everything I burn off in a
matter of one or two days, and more!

HELP!


You need to eat less.

See:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/Mis...otdiffere.html

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Old July 12th 06, 11:09 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Ron Ruff
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Barnard Frederick wrote:
is a chore to keep up with it all every day. But the low tech way is to
just let yourself go hungry part of the day. I truly believe that if we
are never hungry, then we will never be thin.


Very true. You must make a friend of that "hungry" feeling... it is
actually enjoyable once you get used to it... probably much easier for
most to enjoy than the "pain" of a hard workout. Many are conditioned
to interpret a mere sense of stomach emptiness as hunger, so that we
never even experience the real thing.

  #19  
Old July 12th 06, 11:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
trino
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Yes I mean density. You can still get thin and stay the same weight which
is when people like the OP get frustrated about it.
As long as muscle is replacing the fat and you gain even more muscle mass
you could end up weighing more.
Depends how much your body can amass.

"Bob in CT" wrote in message
news

Fat weighs less than muscle. Soft fat less dangerous than hard.


Actually, one pound of fat weighs the same as one pound of muscle. Do you
mean that fat is less dense than muscle?


Drink water before you are thirsty.
Aerobic activity burns fat better than any other exercise. Stretch
before
and after a ride. regular better than sporadic and weekend warriors
program.

Heart rate is best indicator to see if you are impoving and
maintaining
aerobic fitness. Any fitness book can teach you the basics about
monitoring
your heart rate. (no equipment needed alas)
I think it is 75% max 3-4 times a week. See your Doctor to appove
any
program if you are over 55 or have a medical condition.
220- your age is your Max heart Rate. I think, actually, they just
changed
that to 200- your age. Am I right?


I don't think so, or I go above my max on every ride. The max HR I've
seen so far this year is 186, and I'm 42.

Take your vitamins. Eat raw fruit and vegables more or only. Fills
you up, 100% nutritious and no fat, transfat content. Prevents Cancer as
well as letting your stomach do what it was made for. Be alert however,
too
much a good thing is still bad. Fibre can actually cause intestinal
complications too.


I agree with this.

Less is More. Moderation is key. Think Thin. Lock the Fridge haha

Not get movin'

You do not need a fitness coach but it is easier to exercise in groups if
you are unmotivated. The latest thing is a video game by CATEYE
attached to
an exercise bike. They had people staying on the thing for 3 hours and
had
to be told to get off. hahaha
Might be worth looking into It is on sale somewhere i know.

cheers
Shirley




Bob

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Old July 12th 06, 11:27 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
trino
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and had eggs, bacon, fruit, raw vegetables,
and sandwiches (w/low carb tortillas).


Was that breakfast or all day? Wish I could eat that little in a day.


 




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