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OT Political/Social/Economical
Jay Bollyn wrote:
I'd be happy to make that a reality for helping to **** America over for the last seven years, luv.Liberal, schmiberal--what you have in America today are ideologues of the right, which verge on proto- fascism, and ideologues of the middle, which still answer to industry. Someone like Bill Clinton would be seen as rather conservative by most Europeans. Get some perspective, sounds like you need it. To my dear frend LO: Thanks for your kind, helpful suggestions, regarding my new bike specs; My only suggestion would be to keep your left-coast politics distinct from your expert bike advice? Is this possible? I believe the terrestrial otter is a Swede living in Nashville, Tennessee. My greatest fear, is to have eight more years of the Clintons. If America votes for Clinton in 2008, I am certainly going to move somewhere far away, but I fear Canada is not far enough. butbutbut, even with a Conservative government, Canada is more left-wing than the US would be under $Hillary Clinton [1] (or was under W.J. Clinton). There are no "developed" or "first world" nations to the right of the US. Leaving the US is no easy matter, since desirable countries to live in are not exactly welcoming. You know, if the political right had more power in Illinois, you might find your public sector job privatized, which would mean much more work for the same wages, lower benefits and no civil service job protection. Is that what you want? [1] Goldwater campaign volunteer and College Republican chapter president Hillary Rodham Clinton, that is. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." - A. Derleth |
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OT Illinois politics
Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote:
On 2008-01-26, landotter wrote: On Jan 26, 3:37 pm, "Jay" wrote: I do think my friend LO is just trying to playfully stick a shiv into my conservative (any color as long as it is black) ribs. I'd be happy to make that a reality for helping to **** America over for the last seven years, luv. Sorry, lando, but Jay is saved by the Electoral College on that one -- Illinois has been a blue state for some time now, courtesy of Cook County. His vote didn't count. Neither did my third-party presidential vote. You need to turn your ire on Florida or Ohio. Well, the Republican Party has imploded in Illinois since the days when Big Jim and his cronies ruled the roost. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." - A. Derleth |
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OT Political/Social/Economical
On Jan 26, 4:41 pm, Tom Sherman
wrote: landotter aka terra lutra wrote: On Jan 26, 3:37 pm, "Jay" wrote: ... I do think my friend LO is just trying to playfully stick a shiv into my conservative (any color as long as it is black) ribs. I'd be happy to make that a reality for helping to **** America over for the last seven years, luv.Liberal, schmiberal--what you have in America today are ideologues of the right, which verge on proto- fascism, and ideologues of the middle, which still answer to industry. Someone like Bill Clinton would be seen as rather conservative by most Europeans. Get some perspective, sounds like you need it. Unlike most of us here, the terrestrial otter has the option of easily moving to a social democracy that has one of the highest rates of social and economic equality in the world. Yet he chooses to live in the middle of the "Bible Belt". How curious. Sounds like you've been listening to Limbaugh, asshole. |
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I would like to buy a custom (non-folding) commuter bike on the Internet
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OT Political/Social/Economical
"landotter" anonymously snipes:
On Jan 26, 4:41 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: landotter aka terra lutra wrote: On Jan 26, 3:37 pm, "Jay" wrote: ... I do think my friend LO is just trying to playfully stick a shiv into my conservative (any color as long as it is black) ribs. I'd be happy to make that a reality for helping to **** America over for the last seven years, luv.Liberal, schmiberal--what you have in America today are ideologues of the right, which verge on proto- fascism, and ideologues of the middle, which still answer to industry. Someone like Bill Clinton would be seen as rather conservative by most Europeans. Get some perspective, sounds like you need it. Unlike most of us here, the terrestrial otter has the option of easily moving to a social democracy that has one of the highest rates of social and economic equality in the world. Yet he chooses to live in the middle of the "Bible Belt". How curious. Sounds like you've been listening to Limbaugh, asshole. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!! No, "landotter" completely missed the point of my post. Personally, there is no way without coercion that you could make me live in Nashville over Sweden - the heat, humidity and predominance of Bible Thumpers and their ilk is a turn off. Heck, if someone offered me a job is Sweden, I would most likely accept the offer. My question was out of curiosity, not a suggestion to leave. Frankly, what bugs me is that there are so many people that will post things such as "if you don't like it, leave", yet these people have done nothing to facilitate that. Why are they not lobbying their congress-critters to establish a program to exchange malcontents is beyond me. It makes me believe that what they really want is to impose their will on people who think differently. FYI - I have never voluntarily listened to Rush Limbaugh's radio program in my life. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." - A. Derleth |
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I would like to buy a custom (non-folding) commuter bike on the Internet
"Kristian M Zoerhoff" wrote in message ... On 2008-01-26, Jay wrote: You know, I get tired of saying that KZ is absolutely correct. Just for you, jay, I'll say something completely dishonest one of these days. I'll keep it a surprise, though, to keep you on your toes. -- Kristian Zoerhoff I hereby nominate our Usenet friend KZ for RBT Contributer of 2008! Saint Kristian!! KZ has expert bike advice, and the dry sense of humor coveted by Usenet regulars. We don't need the formality of a second. No need to see an actual bike miracle. Congrats SAINT KRISTIAN! U da man! J. |
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I would like to buy a custom (non-folding) commuter bike on theInternet
Jay wrote:
Joseph has suggested 'XXL size BMX frame with a monster long seatpost and ape-hangers'. snip I don't know what 'decent quality BMX frame' means. Let's start at the top $, and work down if necessary. Keep in mind that I know absolutely nothing about BMX frames. BMX frames are not traditionally sized in inches, but by racing category. This is a custom that has extended even to bikes that are not used for racing. In order of size, the categories a Micro (think four-year-old kid) Mini Junior Expert Pro Pro XL Pro XXL (more or less normal adult size) There are probably "Pro XXXL" and such frames out there, but there's no conventional understanding of sizing outside what I have named. If you are of average or larger adult stature, only Pro XXL frames will be suitable for your purposes. Some frames are sized in inches, but the size refers to the top tube length and not the seat tube. Don't bother with anything shorter than 21.5 inches. The vast majority of decent quality BMX frames are made for one of two purposes, but not both: Racing, or (more commonly) Freestyle-- which is jumping and other stunts. There is another discipline called "flatland", which is a kind of artistic cycling, but those bikes would be of no use to you whatsoever. Racing bikes will be lighter, more fragile (but still stronger than the bikes most of us are familiar with), and longer in the rear end. They have V-brake bosses mounted above the seatstays. Freestyle and dirt jumping bikes--variations of the same thing-- are built to take a beating. They tend to be heavier than full-sized MTB frames and very compact in the rear triangle. They usually have U- brake bosses mounted under the seatstays or above the chainstays. Note that many of these have 14mm dropout slots, for hubs with oversized axles. If you wish to use a 3/8" or 10mm axle, you'll have to have stepped washers to take up the difference in size. Here is an example of the most expensive sort of BMX frame you should consider buying: http://www.danscomp.com/211339.php It's a freestyle bike in a grownup frame size, with a grownup price of $289 for the frame only. Its dimensions are all quite generous for a freestyle bike, which is why it's an acceptable alternative to a racing frame. It has oversized dropout slots. Here is a racing frame that would make a decent choice: http://www.danscomp.com/201340.php It's pretty light, reasonably priced at $199, and fairly long in the rear triangle for a 20" bike. Here are a couple more of the same general description: http://www.danscomp.com/201073.php http://www.danscomp.com/201122.php Things to look for if you'd like to use a BMX bike as a commuter: 25.4mm (1") seatpost bore, which will allow a very long seatpost that won't bend. Consider having a machine shop make you one by turning down the top of a 1" aluminum rod or thick-walled tube to 7/8" to fit standard seat guts. U-brake bosses on the fork. If there are no bosses, you'll have to use a long reach BMX sidepull caliper (which is a bit like trying to stop your bike with chopsticks). Steep seat angle. BMX seat angles vary wildly. The slackest of them could easily put your saddle behind the rear axle if the seatpost is long enough for full extension. Handlebars with a minimum 8" of rise. 8" is the tallest common size anymore; you may want to add a HeadsUp riser or the like underneath the stem. The combination of a small wheel size and very short head tube will put your bars too low unless you take extreme measures. BMX handlebars are a different diameter than road or MTB bars, and their stems are all very short, so having tall bars means you can tilt them forward or back to get the right reach. Steel frame with relatively long chainstays. This will give you a fighting chance at spreading the rear end from the BMX standard width of 110mm to something usefully wider for a multi-speed hub. It will also allow you to add brazed-on details like a derailleur hanger and shift cable housing stops. There is one more kind of bike,now long departed, that might be a good basis for your commuter. Formula One (or F1) was a sort of BMX bike with gears for racing on autocross-style street courses. They came and went sometime around 1990, give or take. Such a frame, if you can find one, will be much taller than a normal BMX bike and set up for 6- speed derailleur gearing. Haro, Diamondback, and Redline made them. Good luck finding a suitable bike. Chalo |
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I would like to buy a custom (non-folding) commuter bike on theInternet
landotter wrote:
http://www.cycleurope.co.jp/2008/mv9d.html Wow! It has ISO 451 rims. Why in the world would that be preferable to ISO 406? It's like the 650C of the twenty inch realm. Chalo |
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I would like to buy a custom (non-folding) commuter bike on theInternet
Chalo Colina wrote:
landotter wrote: http://www.cycleurope.co.jp/2008/mv9d.html Wow! It has ISO 451 rims. Why in the world would that be preferable to ISO 406? It's like the 650C of the twenty inch realm. ISO 451 mm tires and rims are only made underground by gnomes. The advantage of ISO 451 mm would be slightly lower rolling resistance and slightly higher gearing with conventional derailer set-ups. Presumably this is why Green Gear uses that size for their "road bike" folders and why the "road bike" Minivelo-9D uses the size. The advantages of ISO 406 mm are stronger wheels for a given rim section and spoke count and much greater selection of wider rims and wide street tread tires (no wide 451 mm tires are available). For a fair weather only, club type riding road bicycle with small wheels, I would consider ISO 451 mm wheels. For other uses, such as commuting, errand running, touring and light off-road duty, stick with ISO 406 mm. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." - A. Derleth |
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Bicycle Color Demographics?
Jay Bollyn wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message ... landotter aka terra lutra wrote: http://www.cycleurope.co.jp/2008/mv9d.html Wow! A road bicycle with proper size wheels. To bad about the color (not a celeste verde fan). You are right Tom, If I were to die tonight, and wake up a tree-hugging liberal, with whatever is the current godless sexual tendency, then LO's suggestion would be appropriate.... Please fill me in here. I never liked the "celeste verde" Bianchi color, but never saw any sexual or other demographic connotation to it. What am I missing? -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." - A. Derleth |
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