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Old May 4th 17, 04:13 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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Default How to use "innovative" bike facilities

These days there are lots of calls for "innovative" bike facilities -
new and original designs of road features installed just for cyclists.
These will supposedly make bicycling easy and safe for anyone aged 8 to
80. At the top of the list are "protected cycletracks" and bike boxes.

This official video from Victoria, British Columbia, Canada shows how
they want you to use those facilities. Would you send your 8-year-old
out to figure these out, or to make these recommended moves in traffic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7ii4XXwlg4&sns=em

I especially like the U-turns facing traffic in the bike boxes.
Wouldn't that be fun if the light turned green while you were facing the
cars?

Be careful what you ask for!


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Old May 4th 17, 04:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default How to use "innovative" bike facilities

On 5/4/2017 10:13 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
These days there are lots of calls for "innovative" bike
facilities - new and original designs of road features
installed just for cyclists. These will supposedly make
bicycling easy and safe for anyone aged 8 to 80. At the top
of the list are "protected cycletracks" and bike boxes.

This official video from Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
shows how they want you to use those facilities. Would you
send your 8-year-old out to figure these out, or to make
these recommended moves in traffic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7ii4XXwlg4&sns=em

I especially like the U-turns facing traffic in the bike
boxes. Wouldn't that be fun if the light turned green while
you were facing the cars?

Be careful what you ask for!



Good start. Next they'll require cyclists to wear a fez,
blow a whistle and wear pink leotards. The Planners and
Masterminds are never satisfied until control is total.

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Old May 4th 17, 05:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default How to use "innovative" bike facilities

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 11:13:26 AM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
These days there are lots of calls for "innovative" bike facilities -
new and original designs of road features installed just for cyclists.
These will supposedly make bicycling easy and safe for anyone aged 8 to
80. At the top of the list are "protected cycletracks" and bike boxes.

This official video from Victoria, British Columbia, Canada shows how
they want you to use those facilities. Would you send your 8-year-old
out to figure these out, or to make these recommended moves in traffic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7ii4XXwlg4&sns=em

I especially like the U-turns facing traffic in the bike boxes.
Wouldn't that be fun if the light turned green while you were facing the
cars?

Be careful what you ask for!


--
- Frank Krygowski


****, wouldn't it be far easier not to mention safer just to makethe turns the same way that motor traffic does?

IMHO, those bike boxes are accidents waiting to happen.

Cheers
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Old May 5th 17, 11:30 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andrew Chaplin
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Default How to use "innovative" bike facilities

Frank Krygowski wrote in newsefg8g$ols$1@dont-
email.me:

These days there are lots of calls for "innovative" bike facilities -
new and original designs of road features installed just for cyclists.
These will supposedly make bicycling easy and safe for anyone aged 8 to
80. At the top of the list are "protected cycletracks" and bike boxes.

This official video from Victoria, British Columbia, Canada shows how
they want you to use those facilities. Would you send your 8-year-old
out to figure these out, or to make these recommended moves in traffic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7ii4XXwlg4&sns=em

I especially like the U-turns facing traffic in the bike boxes.
Wouldn't that be fun if the light turned green while you were facing the
cars?

Be careful what you ask for!


The City of Ottawa is bringing in the same system. It's less than
satisfactory.

Here is the route that Google Maps suggests from my office to my LBS:
http://tinyurl.com/131toMcCranks. The suggested route along O'Connor puts
one in a two-way "bike facility" on the left-hand side of a one-way
street. It says it will take one 13 minutes. Nonsense! It is risky and
slower than that because both drivers and cyclists are confused. I use the
option that takes me along the Queen Elizabeth Driveway, as I encounter
less traffic, and fewer lights and stop signs.
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Old May 5th 17, 04:43 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default How to use "innovative" bike facilities

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:34:16 AM UTC-7, Andrew Chaplin wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote in newsefg8g$ols$1@dont-
email.me:

These days there are lots of calls for "innovative" bike facilities -
new and original designs of road features installed just for cyclists.
These will supposedly make bicycling easy and safe for anyone aged 8 to
80. At the top of the list are "protected cycletracks" and bike boxes.

This official video from Victoria, British Columbia, Canada shows how
they want you to use those facilities. Would you send your 8-year-old
out to figure these out, or to make these recommended moves in traffic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7ii4XXwlg4&sns=em

I especially like the U-turns facing traffic in the bike boxes.
Wouldn't that be fun if the light turned green while you were facing the
cars?

Be careful what you ask for!


The City of Ottawa is bringing in the same system. It's less than
satisfactory.

Here is the route that Google Maps suggests from my office to my LBS:
http://tinyurl.com/131toMcCranks. The suggested route along O'Connor puts
one in a two-way "bike facility" on the left-hand side of a one-way
street. It says it will take one 13 minutes. Nonsense! It is risky and
slower than that because both drivers and cyclists are confused. I use the
option that takes me along the Queen Elizabeth Driveway, as I encounter
less traffic, and fewer lights and stop signs.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)


Well, at least you live in an English speaking province.
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Old May 5th 17, 09:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default How to use "innovative" bike facilities

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 11:43:55 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:34:16 AM UTC-7, Andrew Chaplin wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote in news
These days there are lots of calls for "innovative" bike facilities -
new and original designs of road features installed just for cyclists..
These will supposedly make bicycling easy and safe for anyone aged 8 to
80. At the top of the list are "protected cycletracks" and bike boxes.

This official video from Victoria, British Columbia, Canada shows how
they want you to use those facilities. Would you send your 8-year-old
out to figure these out, or to make these recommended moves in traffic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7ii4XXwlg4&sns=em

I especially like the U-turns facing traffic in the bike boxes.
Wouldn't that be fun if the light turned green while you were facing the
cars?

Be careful what you ask for!


The City of Ottawa is bringing in the same system. It's less than
satisfactory.

Here is the route that Google Maps suggests from my office to my LBS:
http://tinyurl.com/131toMcCranks. The suggested route along O'Connor puts
one in a two-way "bike facility" on the left-hand side of a one-way
street. It says it will take one 13 minutes. Nonsense! It is risky and
slower than that because both drivers and cyclists are confused. I use the
option that takes me along the Queen Elizabeth Driveway, as I encounter
less traffic, and fewer lights and stop signs.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)


Well, at least you live in an English speaking province.


Il ne m'en fait rien. Je suis assez bilingue pour faire mieux que seulement de
me déboullier au Québec et en Acadie.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
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Old May 5th 17, 09:53 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default How to use "innovative" bike facilities

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 1:34:22 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 11:43:55 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:34:16 AM UTC-7, Andrew Chaplin wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote in news
These days there are lots of calls for "innovative" bike facilities -
new and original designs of road features installed just for cyclists.
These will supposedly make bicycling easy and safe for anyone aged 8 to
80. At the top of the list are "protected cycletracks" and bike boxes.

This official video from Victoria, British Columbia, Canada shows how
they want you to use those facilities. Would you send your 8-year-old
out to figure these out, or to make these recommended moves in traffic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7ii4XXwlg4&sns=em

I especially like the U-turns facing traffic in the bike boxes.
Wouldn't that be fun if the light turned green while you were facing the
cars?

Be careful what you ask for!

The City of Ottawa is bringing in the same system. It's less than
satisfactory.

Here is the route that Google Maps suggests from my office to my LBS:
http://tinyurl.com/131toMcCranks. The suggested route along O'Connor puts
one in a two-way "bike facility" on the left-hand side of a one-way
street. It says it will take one 13 minutes. Nonsense! It is risky and
slower than that because both drivers and cyclists are confused. I use the
option that takes me along the Queen Elizabeth Driveway, as I encounter
less traffic, and fewer lights and stop signs.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)


Well, at least you live in an English speaking province.


Il ne m'en fait rien. Je suis assez bilingue pour faire mieux que seulement de
me déboullier au Québec et en Acadie.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO



Être bilingue ne me semble pas être un avantage aux États-Unis.
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Old May 6th 17, 03:53 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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Default How to use "innovative" bike facilities

On 2017-05-05 13:53, wrote:
On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 1:34:22 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 11:43:55 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:34:16 AM UTC-7, Andrew Chaplin wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote in news
These days there are lots of calls for "innovative" bike facilities -
new and original designs of road features installed just for cyclists.
These will supposedly make bicycling easy and safe for anyone aged 8 to
80. At the top of the list are "protected cycletracks" and bike boxes.

This official video from Victoria, British Columbia, Canada shows how
they want you to use those facilities. Would you send your 8-year-old
out to figure these out, or to make these recommended moves in traffic?



When I was eight my parents did. There were several bike paths that
required "odd" merging methods at the end.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7ii4XXwlg4&sns=em

I especially like the U-turns facing traffic in the bike boxes.
Wouldn't that be fun if the light turned green while you were facing the
cars?



Well, don't go through a light that was already "cherry-green". If the
traffic engineers have any smarts they'll time it so that even if old
Aunt Minnie does that maneuver on her old Philips Manhattan there'd be
sufficient time.


Be careful what you ask for!

The City of Ottawa is bringing in the same system. It's less than
satisfactory.

Here is the route that Google Maps suggests from my office to my LBS:
http://tinyurl.com/131toMcCranks. The suggested route along O'Connor puts
one in a two-way "bike facility" on the left-hand side of a one-way
street. It says it will take one 13 minutes. Nonsense! It is risky and
slower than that because both drivers and cyclists are confused. I use the
option that takes me along the Queen Elizabeth Driveway, as I encounter
less traffic, and fewer lights and stop signs.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Well, at least you live in an English speaking province.


Il ne m'en fait rien. Je suis assez bilingue pour faire mieux que seulement de
me déboullier au Québec et en Acadie.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO



Être bilingue ne me semble pas être un avantage aux États-Unis.


C'est si vous etes dans certaines regions d'Oakland.

No kidding. Once I couldn't find an address there, stopped at an auto
shop. Nobody there or in the surrounding businesses spoke anything other
than Vietnamese. They gestured me to wait until "yelo buss" comes.
Minutes later it did, the owner's kid hopped out and translated. The kid
was totally fluent in English and Vietnamese. Problem is, nowadays kids
often don't know much Vietnamese, Laotian or whichever the family's
native language is (was) and parents not much English, so they don't
communicate much.

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