Cyclists waste petrol

On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 02:12:09 +1000, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

FLUSH usual senile ****

Is your senility not letting you sleep in again, you abnormal cantankerous
senile geezer? Or don't you want to miss the ONLY "conversations" that you
still can have in your quickly ending senile life? BG

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"Well you make up a lot of stuff and it's total ******** most of it."
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 04:16:23 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 10/02/2018 05:01 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:26:26 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 09/30/2018 10:00 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 03:12:20 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 09/10/2018 12:53 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:


Are your roads littered with speed bumps? I go over perhaps 200 a
day.

That cinches it. No trip to the UK for me. Some of our dirt roads have
speed bumps, aka small boulders, but I've never seen them other
than on
private roads.

Round here they put them in the stupidest of places, for example 10
yards from a junction, where nobody could possibly be speeding anyway.

And apparently they cost £10,000 each to install including paperwork.


We have various 'traffic calming' schemes like roundabouts and bulbouts
but speed bumps would really **** off the snowplow crews to say nothing
of the cops.

Even some of the semi-private areas are getting rid of them. I hit one
of the damn things on my bicycle. The sun was in my eyes and I didn't
see it coming so I taco'd my front wheel and did a face plant. I was not
happy.

You should have attempted to sue the council (or whatever you call
them over there). Causing injury to a cyclist can't be allowed surely?

I hope I one day catch an old lady tripping over one on my dashcam.
I've seen it happen before, a pensioner crosses the road and trips on
the stupid thing. But I need proof.

Further north, they have bollards on the narrowing things (we call
them chicanes,

Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicane

I assume that's what you refer to as a bulbout).

Nope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_extension


https://missoulian.com/news/local/bi...cc4c03286.html

These are the worst of both. The theory is pedestrians will be out in
the street, visible, and have a shorter path. They suck for bicycles
since you're forced out in the traffic lane, and are difficult for
trucks and buses to navigate.

There are also micro-roundabouts. Basically you take a 4-way
intersection of residential streets, build a little round island in the
middle, and plant flowers. The first moving van in the area runs over
the thing since it's impossible to navigate around it with anything
bigger than a mini-van.

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On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 06:47:20 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"rbowman" wrote in message
...
On 10/02/2018 05:01 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
news On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:26:26 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 09/30/2018 10:00 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 03:12:20 +0100, rbowman
wrote:

On 09/10/2018 12:53 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:


Are your roads littered with speed bumps? I go over perhaps 200 a
day.

That cinches it. No trip to the UK for me. Some of our dirt roads
have
speed bumps, aka small boulders, but I've never seen them other
than on
private roads.

Round here they put them in the stupidest of places, for example 10
yards from a junction, where nobody could possibly be speeding anyway.

And apparently they cost £10,000 each to install including paperwork.


We have various 'traffic calming' schemes like roundabouts and bulbouts
but speed bumps would really **** off the snowplow crews to say nothing
of the cops.

Even some of the semi-private areas are getting rid of them. I hit one
of the damn things on my bicycle. The sun was in my eyes and I didn't
see it coming so I taco'd my front wheel and did a face plant. I was
not
happy.

You should have attempted to sue the council (or whatever you call
them over there). Causing injury to a cyclist can't be allowed surely?

I hope I one day catch an old lady tripping over one on my dashcam.
I've seen it happen before, a pensioner crosses the road and trips on
the stupid thing. But I need proof.

Further north, they have bollards on the narrowing things (we call
them chicanes,

Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicane

I assume that's what you refer to as a bulbout).

Nope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_extension


https://missoulian.com/news/local/bi...cc4c03286.html

These are the worst of both. The theory is pedestrians will be out in the
street, visible, and have a shorter path.

Yeah, we have those outside one of our primary/grade schools.

They suck for bicycles since you're forced out in the traffic lane, and
are difficult for trucks and buses to navigate.

There are also micro-roundabouts. Basically you take a 4-way intersection
of residential streets, build a little round island in the middle,

Yeah, we have lots of those.

and plant flowers.

Nothing in the middle with ours, only with the big ones.

The first moving van in the area runs over the thing since it's impossible
to navigate around it with anything bigger than a mini-van.

Ours are low enough so that trucks and vans can
just drive of them, with a shallow curb so they
don't even have to slow down to do that.

I drive over a lot of them with my car. Not sure if I damage the suspension more doing that than I would damage the steering by swerving round the ****ing things. But the main thing is I damage the stupid thing on the road. Where lots of people have done it, they sink due to all the knocks they get.

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 00:01:14 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:26:26 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 09/30/2018 10:00 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 03:12:20 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 09/10/2018 12:53 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:


Are your roads littered with speed bumps? I go over perhaps 200 a
day.

That cinches it. No trip to the UK for me. Some of our dirt roads have
speed bumps, aka small boulders, but I've never seen them other than on
private roads.

Round here they put them in the stupidest of places, for example 10
yards from a junction, where nobody could possibly be speeding anyway.

And apparently they cost £10,000 each to install including paperwork.


We have various 'traffic calming' schemes like roundabouts and bulbouts
but speed bumps would really **** off the snowplow crews to say nothing
of the cops.

Even some of the semi-private areas are getting rid of them. I hit one
of the damn things on my bicycle. The sun was in my eyes and I didn't
see it coming so I taco'd my front wheel and did a face plant. I was not
happy.

You should have attempted to sue the council (or whatever you call them
over there). Causing injury to a cyclist can't be allowed surely?

I hope I one day catch an old lady tripping over one on my dashcam. I've
seen it happen before, a pensioner crosses the road and trips on the
stupid thing. But I need proof.

Further north, they have bollards on the narrowing things (we call them
chicanes,

Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicane

I assume that's what you refer to as a bulbout).

Nope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_extension

We seem to have halfway between. They mean that pedestrians are stood directly in front of oncoming traffic which has to swerve round them. A monumentally stupid idea.

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 15:14:11 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 10/02/2018 11:47 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
Ours are low enough so that trucks and vans can
just drive of them, with a shallow curb so they
don't even have to slow down to do that.

The larger ones have a concrete apron for that purpose. The tiny ones
were constructed without thinking that something like a moving van might
need to navigate them.

Many drivers haven't figured out how they work yet. We have many four
way stops where people take turns in an orderly fashion. They tend to
take roundabouts the same, stopping before entering even if the way is
clear, which defeats the purpose.

There's a street near here with literally THIRTY speedbumps, and I mean the big full length ones right across the road. Even driving at the speed limit in a car, you get jolted about and a lot of cars (including almost new ones) scrape their undersides. I watched a bus go along the street, and the driver was very annoyed, he was accelerating then braking for each one, and all the passengers were being jolted everywhere. An ambulance would take an extra 5 minutes to get along the street.

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 17:12:09 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

rbowman wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ours are low enough so that trucks and vans
can just drive over them, with a shallow curb so
they don't even have to slow down to do that.

The larger ones have a concrete apron for that purpose.
The tiny ones were constructed without thinking that
something like a moving van might need to navigate them.

Ours are fine for that, those and semis can drive right
over them as if they arent there. There is nothing but
concrete in the middle. Can't actually find a street
view of one, our street view is 8 years old now.

Many drivers haven't figured out how they work yet. We have
many four way stops where people take turns in an orderly fashion.

We don't have any of those, one of the two roads at that
intersection always has giveway signs on one of the roads.

They tend to take roundabouts the same, stopping before
entering even if the way is clear, which defeats the purpose.

We don't see that at all, presumably because we don't have
any intersections which don't have giveways on one road.

Some of our chicanes/bulbouts have bollards on them to stop people doing that, but people have discovered they're just hollow plastic and driven straight through them, smashing the stupid things to pieces.

"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 06:47:20 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"rbowman" wrote in message
...
On 10/02/2018 05:01 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
news On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:26:26 +0100, rbowman
wrote:

On 09/30/2018 10:00 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 03:12:20 +0100, rbowman
wrote:

On 09/10/2018 12:53 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:


Are your roads littered with speed bumps? I go over perhaps 200 a
day.

That cinches it. No trip to the UK for me. Some of our dirt roads
have
speed bumps, aka small boulders, but I've never seen them other
than on
private roads.

Round here they put them in the stupidest of places, for example 10
yards from a junction, where nobody could possibly be speeding
anyway.

And apparently they cost £10,000 each to install including
paperwork.


We have various 'traffic calming' schemes like roundabouts and
bulbouts
but speed bumps would really **** off the snowplow crews to say
nothing
of the cops.

Even some of the semi-private areas are getting rid of them. I hit
one
of the damn things on my bicycle. The sun was in my eyes and I didn't
see it coming so I taco'd my front wheel and did a face plant. I was
not
happy.

You should have attempted to sue the council (or whatever you call
them over there). Causing injury to a cyclist can't be allowed
surely?

I hope I one day catch an old lady tripping over one on my dashcam.
I've seen it happen before, a pensioner crosses the road and trips on
the stupid thing. But I need proof.

Further north, they have bollards on the narrowing things (we call
them chicanes,

Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicane

I assume that's what you refer to as a bulbout).

Nope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_extension


https://missoulian.com/news/local/bi...cc4c03286.html

These are the worst of both. The theory is pedestrians will be out in
the
street, visible, and have a shorter path.

Yeah, we have those outside one of our primary/grade schools.

They suck for bicycles since you're forced out in the traffic lane, and
are difficult for trucks and buses to navigate.

There are also micro-roundabouts. Basically you take a 4-way
intersection
of residential streets, build a little round island in the middle,

Yeah, we have lots of those.

and plant flowers.

Nothing in the middle with ours, only with the big ones.

The first moving van in the area runs over the thing since it's
impossible
to navigate around it with anything bigger than a mini-van.

Ours are low enough so that trucks and vans can
just drive of them, with a shallow curb so they
don't even have to slow down to do that.

I drive over a lot of them with my car.

I don't, but that's because I don't want to lose more demerit
points and have to walk instead of drive. Its easy enough to
stay on the road itself and I mostly don't go straight thru
most of our smallest roundabouts anyway.

Not sure if I damage the suspension more doing that than I would damage
the steering by swerving round the ****ing things.

No need to swerve and that doesn't damage the steering anyway.

But the main thing is I damage the stupid thing on the road.

Doesn't damage ours, even when you drive over
it with a fully loaded semi what you lot call an HGV.

Where lots of people have done it, they sink due to all the knocks they
get.

Ours don't. Unfortunately all our smallest roundabouts have
been done since our last street view so I can't show you easily.

"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 00:01:14 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:26:26 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 09/30/2018 10:00 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 03:12:20 +0100, rbowman
wrote:

On 09/10/2018 12:53 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:


Are your roads littered with speed bumps? I go over perhaps 200 a
day.

That cinches it. No trip to the UK for me. Some of our dirt roads
have
speed bumps, aka small boulders, but I've never seen them other than
on
private roads.

Round here they put them in the stupidest of places, for example 10
yards from a junction, where nobody could possibly be speeding anyway.

And apparently they cost £10,000 each to install including paperwork.


We have various 'traffic calming' schemes like roundabouts and bulbouts
but speed bumps would really **** off the snowplow crews to say nothing
of the cops.

Even some of the semi-private areas are getting rid of them. I hit one
of the damn things on my bicycle. The sun was in my eyes and I didn't
see it coming so I taco'd my front wheel and did a face plant. I was
not
happy.

You should have attempted to sue the council (or whatever you call them
over there). Causing injury to a cyclist can't be allowed surely?

I hope I one day catch an old lady tripping over one on my dashcam.
I've
seen it happen before, a pensioner crosses the road and trips on the
stupid thing. But I need proof.

Further north, they have bollards on the narrowing things (we call them
chicanes,

Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicane

I assume that's what you refer to as a bulbout).

Nope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_extension

We seem to have halfway between.

Give us a street view of one of them.

They mean that pedestrians are stood directly in front of oncoming traffic
which has to swerve round them.

Ours have massive concrete things on the road
which means that no one ever drives there.
https://goo.gl/maps/HGqk3Uqxfns

A monumentally stupid idea.

Sounds like it.

"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 15:14:11 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 10/02/2018 11:47 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
Ours are low enough so that trucks and vans can
just drive of them, with a shallow curb so they
don't even have to slow down to do that.

The larger ones have a concrete apron for that purpose. The tiny ones
were constructed without thinking that something like a moving van might
need to navigate them.

Many drivers haven't figured out how they work yet. We have many four
way stops where people take turns in an orderly fashion. They tend to
take roundabouts the same, stopping before entering even if the way is
clear, which defeats the purpose.

There's a street near here with literally THIRTY speedbumps, and I mean
the big full length ones right across the road. Even driving at the speed
limit in a car, you get jolted about and a lot of cars (including almost
new ones) scrape their undersides. I watched a bus go along the street,
and the driver was very annoyed, he was accelerating then braking for each
one, and all the passengers were being jolted everywhere. An ambulance
would take an extra 5 minutes to get along the street.

Give us a street view.

The worst of ours is down the main street and that's only got about
5 and no one scrapes going over them and you don't have to slow
down that much only to say 20Kmph and the traffic isnt going at
the legal 50 there anyway except at say 6am etc. Again, the street
view is to old to show any of them.

"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 17:12:09 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

rbowman wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Ours are low enough so that trucks and vans
can just drive over them, with a shallow curb so
they don't even have to slow down to do that.

The larger ones have a concrete apron for that purpose.
The tiny ones were constructed without thinking that
something like a moving van might need to navigate them.

Ours are fine for that, those and semis can drive right
over them as if they arent there. There is nothing but
concrete in the middle. Can't actually find a street
view of one, our street view is 8 years old now.

Many drivers haven't figured out how they work yet. We have
many four way stops where people take turns in an orderly fashion.

We don't have any of those, one of the two roads at that
intersection always has giveway signs on one of the roads.

They tend to take roundabouts the same, stopping before
entering even if the way is clear, which defeats the purpose.

We don't see that at all, presumably because we don't have
any intersections which don't have giveways on one road.

Some of our chicanes/bulbouts have bollards on them to stop people doing
that, but people have discovered they're just hollow plastic and driven
straight through them, smashing the stupid things to pieces.

We do have some of those, mostly to stop people driving along the
footpaths in the big parks, but they are solid concrete so no one
tries to take them out.