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  #31  
Old September 11th 19, 07:29 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Problems with upper gears

Your changing answers are very humorous and have made me smile.

Just a friendly suggestion.

You might want to re- read my posts.

Have a great evening.

Andy
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Old September 11th 19, 08:03 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Problems with upper gears

On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 02:29:21 UTC-4, AK wrote:
Your changing answers are very humorous and have made me smile.

Just a friendly suggestion.

You might want to re- read my posts.

Have a great evening.

Andy


What changing answers? You said you took a bike with a six speed cluster in for repairs and that the shop put on an 8-speed shifter after which you had trouble shifting. Both myself and Andrew Muzi told you that an 8-speed shifter won't work on a 6-speed cluster.

I've been asking you if your previous shifter was indexed and if this new shifter has a friction mode. That's because I was trying to save you some money since an 8-speed shifter with a friction mode WILL shift a 6-speed cluster but NOT IN INDEX MODE.

Sometimes you just can't help people.

I'm done. Good luck.

Cheers
  #33  
Old September 11th 19, 10:12 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Problems with upper gears

On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 9:03:59 AM UTC+2, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 02:29:21 UTC-4, AK wrote:
Your changing answers are very humorous and have made me smile.

Just a friendly suggestion.

You might want to re- read my posts.

Have a great evening.

Andy


What changing answers? You said you took a bike with a six speed cluster in for repairs and that the shop put on an 8-speed shifter after which you had trouble shifting. Both myself and Andrew Muzi told you that an 8-speed shifter won't work on a 6-speed cluster.

I've been asking you if your previous shifter was indexed and if this new shifter has a friction mode. That's because I was trying to save you some money since an 8-speed shifter with a friction mode WILL shift a 6-speed cluster but NOT IN INDEX MODE.

Sometimes you just can't help people.

I'm done. Good luck.

Cheers


The lack of knowledge of the poster I can understand hence his /her question but a shop that put a 8 speed shifter on his/her 6 speed bike is unbelieveable. Mr Muzi made a good suggestion what to do.

Lou
  #34  
Old September 11th 19, 10:54 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Problems with upper gears

On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 7:57:26 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/10/2019 5:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 2:17:40 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/8/2019 3:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, 8 September 2019 10:35:43 UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/7/2019 3:00 PM, AK wrote:
I recently had my rear derailleur replaced along with new shifters on a 18 speed mountain bike.

Shifting in the lower gears is smooth and there is no noise when pedaling.

I can shift smoothly into all gears however, there is a "clicking" sound when I am in the upper gears.

The bike tech who did the work said he could not find a seven speed shifter and installed an eight speed shifter and told me he would make adjustments so it would work.

I have been told this.

"It is a problem, but can be fixed by also replacing the freewheel, but I definitely wouldn't be paying for any service from a tech who didn't know this would be a problem."

https://imgur.com/a/xF73i91

https://imgur.com/a/5VB6gat


The 8 shifter is compatible.
Common problems include cable/casing/ferrule issues and rear
changer misalignment.
It ought to shift well and quietly with all new equipment.
This has a new seven chain, new FW and new cable/casing right?


Since when is an 8-speed shifter compatible with a 6-speed cassette or freewheel?

Cheers


Yikes. You're right. I missed that.

If it's still a SIX freewheel, there's no way that shifter
could work.

And by the way, WTF? Six shifters are cheap and plentiful.
As are Sevens.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Didn't 6,7 and 8 all have the same spacing? So that you could use a 8 spd shifter on a 6 speed? I would turn my daughter's 6 speed downtube shifter to friction and let her shift the 8 until I found some brifters.


7 & 8 are very similar. Six is not even close and spacing is
visually so different I can't believe anyone would even try it.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Andrew,

He ordered a 8 speed freewheel.

So I will end up with an additional 6 gears.

I look forward to seeing if I can see a difference between an 18 speed and 24 speed bike.

:-)

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Old September 11th 19, 11:00 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Problems with upper gears

On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 2:03:59 AM UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 02:29:21 UTC-4, AK wrote:
Your changing answers are very humorous and have made me smile.

Just a friendly suggestion.

You might want to re- read my posts.

Have a great evening.

Andy


What changing answers? You said you took a bike with a six speed cluster in for repairs and that the shop put on an 8-speed shifter after which you had trouble shifting. Both myself and Andrew Muzi told you that an 8-speed shifter won't work on a 6-speed cluster.

I've been asking you if your previous shifter was indexed and if this new shifter has a friction mode. That's because I was trying to save you some money since an 8-speed shifter with a friction mode WILL shift a 6-speed cluster but NOT IN INDEX MODE.

Sometimes you just can't help people.

I'm done. Good luck.

Cheers


I appreciate your trying to save me money, but the upgrade to an 8 speed freewheel will cost me nothing.

So to recap.

For $60 I have spent, my mountain bike will have...

New chain

New indexed shifters

New freewheel

Andy
  #36  
Old September 11th 19, 11:53 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Problems with upper gears

On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 06:00:38 UTC-4, AK wrote:
On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 2:03:59 AM UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 02:29:21 UTC-4, AK wrote:
Your changing answers are very humorous and have made me smile.

Just a friendly suggestion.

You might want to re- read my posts.

Have a great evening.

Andy


What changing answers? You said you took a bike with a six speed cluster in for repairs and that the shop put on an 8-speed shifter after which you had trouble shifting. Both myself and Andrew Muzi told you that an 8-speed shifter won't work on a 6-speed cluster.

I've been asking you if your previous shifter was indexed and if this new shifter has a friction mode. That's because I was trying to save you some money since an 8-speed shifter with a friction mode WILL shift a 6-speed cluster but NOT IN INDEX MODE.

Sometimes you just can't help people.

I'm done. Good luck.

Cheers


I appreciate your trying to save me money, but the upgrade to an 8 speed freewheel will cost me nothing.

So to recap.

For $60 I have spent, my mountain bike will have...

New chain

New indexed shifters

New freewheel

Andy


An EIGHT speed freewheel? Get ready to enjoy bent or broken rear axles. There's an AWFUL LOT OF OVERHANG on an 8-speed freewheel between the drive side cone and the end of the axle. That's the MAIN reason why FREEHUBS and CASSETTES were invented and became popular. Even with 7-speed freewheels there were a lot of bent or broken rear axles and that's not counting if the axle was a cheap one in the first place.

Good luck as I'm sure you're going to need it. Don't do any rough riding like hitting potholes whilst still seated, or riding off of curbs.

Cheers
  #37  
Old September 12th 19, 10:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AK[_2_]
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Default Problems with upper gears

On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 5:53:14 AM UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 06:00:38 UTC-4, AK wrote:
On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 2:03:59 AM UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 02:29:21 UTC-4, AK wrote:
Your changing answers are very humorous and have made me smile.

Just a friendly suggestion.

You might want to re- read my posts.

Have a great evening.

Andy

What changing answers? You said you took a bike with a six speed cluster in for repairs and that the shop put on an 8-speed shifter after which you had trouble shifting. Both myself and Andrew Muzi told you that an 8-speed shifter won't work on a 6-speed cluster.

I've been asking you if your previous shifter was indexed and if this new shifter has a friction mode. That's because I was trying to save you some money since an 8-speed shifter with a friction mode WILL shift a 6-speed cluster but NOT IN INDEX MODE.

Sometimes you just can't help people.

I'm done. Good luck.

Cheers


I appreciate your trying to save me money, but the upgrade to an 8 speed freewheel will cost me nothing.

So to recap.

For $60 I have spent, my mountain bike will have...

New chain

New indexed shifters

New freewheel

Andy


An EIGHT speed freewheel? Get ready to enjoy bent or broken rear axles. There's an AWFUL LOT OF OVERHANG on an 8-speed freewheel between the drive side cone and the end of the axle. That's the MAIN reason why FREEHUBS and CASSETTES were invented and became popular. Even with 7-speed freewheels there were a lot of bent or broken rear axles and that's not counting if the axle was a cheap one in the first place.

Good luck as I'm sure you're going to need it. Don't do any rough riding like hitting potholes whilst still seated, or riding off of curbs.

Cheers


I took your advice.

I am getting these.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHIMANO-TOU...488f6996dba8bd
  #38  
Old September 14th 19, 01:14 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AK[_2_]
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Default Problems with upper gears

On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 7:57:26 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/10/2019 5:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 2:17:40 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/8/2019 3:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, 8 September 2019 10:35:43 UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/7/2019 3:00 PM, AK wrote:
I recently had my rear derailleur replaced along with new shifters on a 18 speed mountain bike.

Shifting in the lower gears is smooth and there is no noise when pedaling.

I can shift smoothly into all gears however, there is a "clicking" sound when I am in the upper gears.

The bike tech who did the work said he could not find a seven speed shifter and installed an eight speed shifter and told me he would make adjustments so it would work.

I have been told this.

"It is a problem, but can be fixed by also replacing the freewheel, but I definitely wouldn't be paying for any service from a tech who didn't know this would be a problem."

https://imgur.com/a/xF73i91

https://imgur.com/a/5VB6gat


The 8 shifter is compatible.
Common problems include cable/casing/ferrule issues and rear
changer misalignment.
It ought to shift well and quietly with all new equipment.
This has a new seven chain, new FW and new cable/casing right?


Since when is an 8-speed shifter compatible with a 6-speed cassette or freewheel?

Cheers


Yikes. You're right. I missed that.

If it's still a SIX freewheel, there's no way that shifter
could work.

And by the way, WTF? Six shifters are cheap and plentiful.
As are Sevens.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Didn't 6,7 and 8 all have the same spacing? So that you could use a 8 spd shifter on a 6 speed? I would turn my daughter's 6 speed downtube shifter to friction and let her shift the 8 until I found some brifters.


7 & 8 are very similar. Six is not even close and spacing is
visually so different I can't believe anyone would even try it.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


The new 6-speed shifter will not be in till next week for the change out, so I am still using a SunRace 8 speed index shifter with a 6-speed freewheel.

Today my bike started acting strangely.

It would start being harder to pedal when in several of the lower gears.

I had to stop several times to loosen the derailleur a little to get home.

Could that possibly be caused by having an 8-speed shifter with a 6 speed freewheel?

Andy
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Old September 14th 19, 02:11 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 17:14:05 -0700 (PDT), AK
wrote:

On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 7:57:26 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/10/2019 5:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 2:17:40 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/8/2019 3:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, 8 September 2019 10:35:43 UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/7/2019 3:00 PM, AK wrote:
I recently had my rear derailleur replaced along with new shifters on a 18 speed mountain bike.

Shifting in the lower gears is smooth and there is no noise when pedaling.

I can shift smoothly into all gears however, there is a "clicking" sound when I am in the upper gears.

The bike tech who did the work said he could not find a seven speed shifter and installed an eight speed shifter and told me he would make adjustments so it would work.

I have been told this.

"It is a problem, but can be fixed by also replacing the freewheel, but I definitely wouldn't be paying for any service from a tech who didn't know this would be a problem."

https://imgur.com/a/xF73i91

https://imgur.com/a/5VB6gat


The 8 shifter is compatible.
Common problems include cable/casing/ferrule issues and rear
changer misalignment.
It ought to shift well and quietly with all new equipment.
This has a new seven chain, new FW and new cable/casing right?


Since when is an 8-speed shifter compatible with a 6-speed cassette or freewheel?

Cheers


Yikes. You're right. I missed that.

If it's still a SIX freewheel, there's no way that shifter
could work.

And by the way, WTF? Six shifters are cheap and plentiful.
As are Sevens.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Didn't 6,7 and 8 all have the same spacing? So that you could use a 8 spd shifter on a 6 speed? I would turn my daughter's 6 speed downtube shifter to friction and let her shift the 8 until I found some brifters.


7 & 8 are very similar. Six is not even close and spacing is
visually so different I can't believe anyone would even try it.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


The new 6-speed shifter will not be in till next week for the change out, so I am still using a SunRace 8 speed index shifter with a 6-speed freewheel.

Today my bike started acting strangely.

It would start being harder to pedal when in several of the lower gears.

I had to stop several times to loosen the derailleur a little to get home.

Could that possibly be caused by having an 8-speed shifter with a 6 speed freewheel?

Andy


Why don't you sit down an look at the rear derailer. Move the shifter
and look what happens. If you have the correct shifter to match the
derailer and rear wheel sprockets then every time you click the
shifter the derailer will move to line up with the next rear wheel
sprocket. If the shifter, derailer, rear wheel sprockets are not
matched it won't line up and the more you move it the worse the
misalignment gets.

It is not rocket science!
--
cheers,

John B.

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Old September 14th 19, 02:38 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AK[_2_]
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On Friday, September 13, 2019 at 8:11:47 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 17:14:05 -0700 (PDT), AK
wrote:

On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 7:57:26 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/10/2019 5:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 2:17:40 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/8/2019 3:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, 8 September 2019 10:35:43 UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/7/2019 3:00 PM, AK wrote:
I recently had my rear derailleur replaced along with new shifters on a 18 speed mountain bike.

Shifting in the lower gears is smooth and there is no noise when pedaling.

I can shift smoothly into all gears however, there is a "clicking" sound when I am in the upper gears.

The bike tech who did the work said he could not find a seven speed shifter and installed an eight speed shifter and told me he would make adjustments so it would work.

I have been told this.

"It is a problem, but can be fixed by also replacing the freewheel, but I definitely wouldn't be paying for any service from a tech who didn't know this would be a problem."

https://imgur.com/a/xF73i91

https://imgur.com/a/5VB6gat


The 8 shifter is compatible.
Common problems include cable/casing/ferrule issues and rear
changer misalignment.
It ought to shift well and quietly with all new equipment.
This has a new seven chain, new FW and new cable/casing right?


Since when is an 8-speed shifter compatible with a 6-speed cassette or freewheel?

Cheers


Yikes. You're right. I missed that.

If it's still a SIX freewheel, there's no way that shifter
could work.

And by the way, WTF? Six shifters are cheap and plentiful.
As are Sevens.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Didn't 6,7 and 8 all have the same spacing? So that you could use a 8 spd shifter on a 6 speed? I would turn my daughter's 6 speed downtube shifter to friction and let her shift the 8 until I found some brifters.


7 & 8 are very similar. Six is not even close and spacing is
visually so different I can't believe anyone would even try it.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


The new 6-speed shifter will not be in till next week for the change out, so I am still using a SunRace 8 speed index shifter with a 6-speed freewheel.

Today my bike started acting strangely.

It would start being harder to pedal when in several of the lower gears.

I had to stop several times to loosen the derailleur a little to get home.

Could that possibly be caused by having an 8-speed shifter with a 6 speed freewheel?

Andy


Why don't you sit down an look at the rear derailer. Move the shifter
and look what happens. If you have the correct shifter to match the
derailer and rear wheel sprockets then every time you click the
shifter the derailer will move to line up with the next rear wheel
sprocket. If the shifter, derailer, rear wheel sprockets are not
matched it won't line up and the more you move it the worse the
misalignment gets.

It is not rocket science!
--
cheers,

John B.


You might want to read posts more carefully.

Key words are "8-speed shifter" and "6-speed freewheel."

:-)

Andy
 




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