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Another Fogel Lie from the Archives
On Feb 4, 10:16*pm, Tom Sherman
wrote: Ryan Cousineau wrote: In article , *Tom Sherman wrote: Ryan Cousineau wrote: In article , *Tom Sherman wrote: Tom, have you really been holding onto a grudge against Carl for this pretty minor affront since 2004?!?! I had hardly thought of it until the recent flare up. However, I apparently have exceptional memory retention for events. I almost admire your single-mindedness, though I gravely doubt your sense of proportion. Have you noticed that Mr. Fogel has pretended I do not exist since that episode? What is your comment on that? Killfiles work. The longer version is that there's no such thing as a right to be paid attention to. If anyone cares to ignore my posts, I don't hold it against them. Ignoring people on Usenet does not reflect badly on the ignorer, who may have any number of reasons. Thinking that being ignored is a big deal reflects badly only on the person doing it.... So why do I get held to a different standard than Mr. Fogel? Why is my remembering that he falsely accused me of lying different than Mr. Fogel still having me in a kill-file over three (3) years later? IMO, you might be "held to a different standard" because people already *know* what a sleazy, weasel-like wacko Carl Fogel is. Some tolerate Fogel because they "enjoy" his Google scrounging "finds", the same way a family tolerates a vicious dog because it "protects" the homestead. |
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Another Fogel Lie from the Archives
On Feb 5, 6:16*am, Ozark Bicycle
wrote: On Feb 4, 10:16*pm, Tom Sherman wrote: Ryan Cousineau wrote: In article , *Tom Sherman wrote: Ryan Cousineau wrote: In article , *Tom Sherman wrote: Tom, have you really been holding onto a grudge against Carl for this pretty minor affront since 2004?!?! I had hardly thought of it until the recent flare up. However, I apparently have exceptional memory retention for events. I almost admire your single-mindedness, though I gravely doubt your sense of proportion. Have you noticed that Mr. Fogel has pretended I do not exist since that episode? What is your comment on that? Killfiles work. The longer version is that there's no such thing as a right to be paid attention to. If anyone cares to ignore my posts, I don't hold it against them. Ignoring people on Usenet does not reflect badly on the ignorer, who may have any number of reasons. Thinking that being ignored is a big deal reflects badly only on the person doing it.... So why do I get held to a different standard than Mr. Fogel? Why is my remembering that he falsely accused me of lying different than Mr. Fogel still having me in a kill-file over three (3) years later? IMO, you might be "held to a different standard" because people already *know* what a sleazy, weasel-like wacko Carl Fogel is. Some tolerate Fogel because they "enjoy" his Google scrounging "finds", the same way a family tolerates a vicious dog because it "protects" the homestead.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - In the Sheldon Brown thread, Peter Cole wrote something that may be apropos he "A few years ago, I was involved in a rather sharp exchange on a local (Boston) bike list. I don't remember who brought it up when I next visited Sheldon's shop, but I started to go on about how rigid, etc. I thought the other guy was. Sheldon only looked pained. "You both are good guys," he said "you should be friends." He was right, as usual. He couldn't see the sense of two people with so much in common getting petty over some trivial issue. It genuinely bothered him that two people he liked could fail to like each other. We are in this group because of our connection to cycling, and on this thread because of our connection to Sheldon. The things that bring us together are deep, those that divide us, shallow. I feel a little awkward, he'd never sermonize like this, but I know that's the way he felt. " |
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The foul deeds of Carl Fogel (was: Another Fogel Lie from thearchives)
On Feb 6, 8:41*am, Bob Dole wrote:
On Feb 5, 6:16*am, Ozark Bicycle wrote: On Feb 4, 10:16*pm, Tom Sherman wrote: Ryan Cousineau wrote: In article , *Tom Sherman wrote: Ryan Cousineau wrote: In article , *Tom Sherman wrote: Tom, have you really been holding onto a grudge against Carl for this pretty minor affront since 2004?!?! I had hardly thought of it until the recent flare up. However, I apparently have exceptional memory retention for events. I almost admire your single-mindedness, though I gravely doubt your sense of proportion. Have you noticed that Mr. Fogel has pretended I do not exist since that episode? What is your comment on that? Killfiles work. The longer version is that there's no such thing as a right to be paid attention to. If anyone cares to ignore my posts, I don't hold it against them. Ignoring people on Usenet does not reflect badly on the ignorer, who may have any number of reasons. Thinking that being ignored is a big deal reflects badly only on the person doing it.... So why do I get held to a different standard than Mr. Fogel? Why is my remembering that he falsely accused me of lying different than Mr. Fogel still having me in a kill-file over three (3) years later? IMO, you might be "held to a different standard" because people already *know* what a sleazy, weasel-like wacko Carl Fogel is. Some tolerate Fogel because they "enjoy" his Google scrounging "finds", the same way a family tolerates a vicious dog because it "protects" the homestead.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - In the Sheldon Brown thread, Peter Cole wrote something that may be apropos he "A few years ago, I was involved in a rather sharp exchange on a local (Boston) bike list. I don't remember who brought it up when I next visited Sheldon's shop, but I started to go on about how rigid, etc. I thought the other guy was. Sheldon only looked pained. "You both are good guys," he said "you should be friends." He was right, as usual. He couldn't see the sense of two people with so much in common getting petty over some trivial issue. It genuinely bothered him that two people he liked could fail to like each other. We are in this group because of our connection to cycling, and on this thread because of our connection to Sheldon. The things that bring us together are deep, those that divide us, shallow. I feel a little awkward, he'd never sermonize like this, but I know that's the way he felt. " Peter Cole may have thought the other guy "rigid", but I'll wager that that guy did not forward private emails, unsolicited, to a third party nor send out nasty snail mails to other posters family members. Fogel has committed both those foul deeds (I know this from first hand experience). |
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The foul deeds of Carl Fogel (was: Another Fogel Lie from thearchives)
On Feb 6, 10:13 am, Ozark Bicycle
wrote: Peter Cole may have thought the other guy "rigid", but I'll wager that that guy did not forward private emails, unsolicited, to a third party nor send out nasty snail mails to other posters family members. Fogel has committed both those foul deeds (I know this from first hand experience). I'll wager the other guy also did not put the name of his opponent in the heading of a thread, using it specifically to defame him. Only a few here have ever stooped to that level. - Frank Krygowski |
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The foul deeds of Carl Fogel (was: Another Fogel Lie from thearchives)
Ozark Bicycle wrote:
that guy did not forward private emails, unsolicited, to a third party nor send out nasty snail mails to other posters family members. Fogel has committed both those foul deeds (I know this from first hand experience). No doubt Fogel justified these foul deeds with lipsmacking moralizing about how the people whose families he assaulted were "liars". Only in Fogel-land is the unproven (in Fogel *telepathy* future) sins of the fathers visited on the wives and children by some self-appointed internet hero called Carl Fogel. It is despicable for trash like Carl Fogel to react to his petty fear of brighter people on the newsgroup by including their friends and families in his sneaky attacks. It is no doubt starting to dawn on some why from the beginning I called Fogel "scum". It is not difficult to spot scumbags of Fogel's type. For a start they always have a loyal gang to blow smoke over their crimes, in this case Michael Press and Ryan Cousineau and Frank Krygowski and some campfollowers whose names I can't be bothered to remember. For another, they cannot help conforming to their own pattern of psychopathology: Fogel, for instance, doesn't appear to understand that it is immoral and wrong for him to substitute his personal likes and dislikes and fears for the due democratic process in which someone is innocent until proven guilty; his repeated false accusations, his repeated cries of "liar", his stoking up of his gang into a lynch mob, demonstrate his disease to use all too visibly. Andre Jute A little, a very little thought will suffice. -- J M Keynes |
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The foul deeds of Carl Fogel (was: Another Fogel Lie from the archives)
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:13:02 -0800 (PST), Ozark Bicycle
wrote: Peter Cole may have thought the other guy "rigid", but I'll wager that that guy did not forward private emails, unsolicited, to a third party nor send out nasty snail mails to other posters family members. Fogel has committed both those foul deeds (I know this from first hand experience). Dude, you're such a stud to pile on an older man. Hey, are you coming to NYC? |
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The foul deeds of Carl Fogel
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The foul deeds of Carl Fogel (was: Another Fogel Lie from the archives)
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:13:02 -0800 (PST), Ozark Bicycle wrote: Peter Cole may have thought the other guy "rigid", but I'll wager that that guy did not forward private emails, unsolicited, to a third party nor send out nasty snail mails to other posters family members. Fogel has committed both those foul deeds (I know this from first hand experience). This is interesting, what do you mean by 1st hand experience? -tom |
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The foul deeds of Carl Fogel (was: Another Fogel Lie from thearchives)
On Feb 7, 8:16*am, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:13:02 -0800 (PST), Ozark Bicycle wrote: Peter Cole may have thought the other guy "rigid", but I'll wager that that guy did not forward private emails, unsolicited, to a third party nor send out nasty snail mails to other posters family members. Fogel has committed both those foul deeds (I know this from first hand experience). This is interesting, what do you mean by 1st hand experience? -tom IOW, it happened to me, and Carl Fogel was the perp. |
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The foul deeds of Carl Fogel (was: Another Fogel Lie from the archives)
"Ozark Bicycle" wrote in message ... On Feb 7, 8:16 am, "Tom Nakashima" wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:13:02 -0800 (PST), Ozark Bicycle wrote: Peter Cole may have thought the other guy "rigid", but I'll wager that that guy did not forward private emails, unsolicited, to a third party nor send out nasty snail mails to other posters family members. Fogel has committed both those foul deeds (I know this from first hand experience). This is interesting, what do you mean by 1st hand experience? -tom IOW, it happened to me, and Carl Fogel was the perp. So was it a personal attack against you or your family, or an attack on your business? It sounds quite serious, but this is the first time I heard of a newsgroup member going outside of the RBT boundaries for personal attacks. -tom |
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