About Trek liquids

El 18 Aug 2004 00:03:58 GMT, BB va escriu

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:34:24 +0200, Gamarús wrote:

I read some reviews in mtbreviews.com. People says that Fuel and Liquid
are both fine for climbings, with no bobbing, but I'd like to change
information directly with owner of these two bikes.

User reviews on websites should be taken VERY lightly. Lots of them are
written by someone who just got the product (it survived one ride - big
deal), some are from people who've NEVER used the product. I saw a
(non-bike) product with 31 user reviews today...and its not due to be
released until the middle of NEXT MONTH!

)))))). Yes, that's what I would like feedbacks of the people here!. On
the other hand, I met some Fuel and Liquid in my excursions, but I didn't
know I will want to buy one at that time. Now, I think I will be able to
chat with some user. Maybe he/she allow me to test it a while .

And in my normal shop, I'm sure I'll be able to chat with some Fuel/Liquid
owners in the mechanics cue. And the shop staff, of course.

--

Gamarús

El Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:31:00 GMT, SuperSlinky va
escriu


The Liquid 25 on the American web site has Hayes HFX-9s, a very nice
brake.

The European one has the same. In a 2500 EUR bike I think all components
are nice , or must be. I only noticed that, while in 25 there is a mix
of LX/XT/SRAM/Hayes, in the better 55 all is XT, so I think it would be
better a XT brake.


They are exactly the same model number and have exactly the same rear
shock.


Ummm, sounds nice...


XC bikes will have more aggressive geometry,

? . I think you wanted to say "less"...

less travel and generally
stiffer suspension. But they will climb better.

One of the Fuel 9x things I like more is the possibility you can fix the
rear shox for long climbs. I think it has a Fox rear shox. Is this
possible in the Liquid 25, with the Manitou SPV?

At the moment, with a 80 mm suspension travel in Fuel, the balance goes to
Liquid. I think I'd need more than 80 mm, according to my expirience in my
current bike. Next year, increasing travel into 100 mm in Fuel (front and
rear) and probably adding some more mm in current 130 mm Liquid (at least
in rear shox), the choice will be a little more difficult

--

Gamarús

"Corvus Corvax" wrote in message
...

Dan Volker wrote:
I can see you as the tough guy in the chess club while in high
school, a kid
who carefully planned to stay away from the football team or other
more
physical types. Or maybe you were the "big dog" in the AV club.

This is so ****ing funny I can hardly believe it.

back in highschool, the guys who made
cycling their primary sport, were the guys to wimpy to go out for
football
or any other contact sport. Now that we are out of college and in the
real
world, contact sports are largely unavailable, and impractical, so
sports
like cycling will prevail

Are you serious? I have a suggestion: go get a tattoo on your forehead
that says "I am a meathead" and be done with it. You could save a lot
of people the trouble of bothering to talk to you.

CC

Corvus,
This is not a slam by Dan Volker against cycling...Hell, mountain biking is
presently my favorite sport.
What it is, is an indictment of our culture. Cultural norms lead athletes
in highschool, to go out for Football if they have the ability. If they
"could" be good at football in college, the rewards for doing well in this
sport far outweigh any sociological benefit they could receive through
cycling instead. A major sport like Football would mean being on the fast
track to a better social existence, it would mean having the cutest girls in
school far more interested in you, it would mean local companies offering
you easy and good paying summer jobs, and it could mean high paying
scholarships if you are good enough to play college ball. This is a cultural
issue, and one very deeply ingrained in the Western New York area---I grew
up in Eden, and believe me, the only kids riding bikes competitively then,
were the ones who could not make Football or one of the other major sports.
What sports you participated in while in Highschool and College will have a
lot to do with shaping the way you relate to people the rest of your
life...and this gets us back on track in the discussion about JD.
If you did not grow up in the Buffalo area, maybe you should ask some local
kids what they think about what sports they would most like to star at. If
they are a gifted athlete, it will most likely be one of the major team
sports.

On another note, are you a member of the BBC ?

Dan V

On 2004-08-18, Dan Volker penned:

This is not a slam by Dan Volker against cycling...Hell, mountain biking is
presently my favorite sport.
What it is, is an indictment of our culture. Cultural norms lead athletes
in highschool, to go out for Football if they have the ability. If they
"could" be good at football in college, the rewards for doing well in this
sport far outweigh any sociological benefit they could receive through
cycling instead. A major sport like Football would mean being on the fast
track to a better social existence, it would mean having the cutest girls in
school far more interested in you, it would mean local companies offering
you easy and good paying summer jobs, and it could mean high paying
scholarships if you are good enough to play college ball. This is a cultural
issue, and one very deeply ingrained in the Western New York area---I grew
up in Eden, and believe me, the only kids riding bikes competitively then,
were the ones who could not make Football or one of the other major sports.
What sports you participated in while in Highschool and College will have a
lot to do with shaping the way you relate to people the rest of your
life...and this gets us back on track in the discussion about JD.
If you did not grow up in the Buffalo area, maybe you should ask some local
kids what they think about what sports they would most like to star at. If
they are a gifted athlete, it will most likely be one of the major team
sports.

So what you're saying is, mainstream people with mainstream motivations would
choose a high-profile sport if given the choice.

That's nice.

A major sport like football would mean being on the fast track to permanent
injury, blown-out knees, back, and brain. Brilliant. All of those are
distinct possibilities *before* you ever have a chance to hit the pros. Given
the extreme punishment football deals out and the extremely small chance of
making it to the big time, the only folks who would actually pin their hopes on
football are those who have no other expectation of success. Football is
live-action chess played with the bodies of those who didn't have the hope of
a less dangerous occupation.

Er, I think I got distracted. What I meant to say was, screw your cultural
norms. Just because you grew up thinking that football was hot **** doesn't
mean everyone else did.

Also, wtf does your growing up in Buffalo have to do with JD? Did JD grow up
in Buffalo? Or was that a round-about way of excusing your own prejudices by
explaining that you share them with the rest of NY?

Jeesh. I can't believe that you've gotten my back up enough that I'm
practically defending JD.


(Hint: there are plenty of gifted athletes that don't choose football. There
are plenty of athletes whose gifts aren't suited to football. Maybe you
should turn on the TV and check out some of the Olympic competition. Are you
saying they're all just failed football players? I bet they're crying all the
way to the podium.)

Grrr!

--
monique

"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain

"Monique Y. Mudama" wrote in message
...
On 2004-08-18, Dan Volker penned:

This is not a slam by Dan Volker against cycling...Hell, mountain biking
is
presently my favorite sport.
What it is, is an indictment of our culture. Cultural norms lead
athletes
in highschool, to go out for Football if they have the ability. If they
"could" be good at football in college, the rewards for doing well in
this
sport far outweigh any sociological benefit they could receive through
cycling instead. A major sport like Football would mean being on the
fast
track to a better social existence, it would mean having the cutest
girls in
school far more interested in you, it would mean local companies
offering
you easy and good paying summer jobs, and it could mean high paying
scholarships if you are good enough to play college ball. This is a
cultural
issue, and one very deeply ingrained in the Western New York area---I
grew
up in Eden, and believe me, the only kids riding bikes competitively
then,
were the ones who could not make Football or one of the other major
sports.
What sports you participated in while in Highschool and College will
have a
lot to do with shaping the way you relate to people the rest of your
life...and this gets us back on track in the discussion about JD.
If you did not grow up in the Buffalo area, maybe you should ask some
local
kids what they think about what sports they would most like to star at.
If
they are a gifted athlete, it will most likely be one of the major team
sports.

So what you're saying is, mainstream people with mainstream motivations
would
choose a high-profile sport if given the choice.

That's nice.

A major sport like football would mean being on the fast track to
permanent
injury, blown-out knees, back, and brain. Brilliant. All of those are
distinct possibilities *before* you ever have a chance to hit the pros.
Given
the extreme punishment football deals out and the extremely small chance
of
making it to the big time, the only folks who would actually pin their
hopes on
football are those who have no other expectation of success. Football is
live-action chess played with the bodies of those who didn't have the hope
of
a less dangerous occupation.

Er, I think I got distracted. What I meant to say was, screw your
cultural
norms. Just because you grew up thinking that football was hot ****
doesn't
mean everyone else did.

They are not "my" norms. They belong to American culture. You can ridicule
them for the obvious stupidities, but they are still governing for more like
98% of the population, compared to cycling's less than 2% ( just pulled the
numbers out of thin air, but I imagine they are not far off).


Also, wtf does your growing up in Buffalo have to do with JD? Did JD grow
up
in Buffalo? Or was that a round-about way of excusing your own prejudices
by
explaining that you share them with the rest of NY?

This was to Corvus, who now lives in Buffalo. His comments did not sound
like they were from someone who had grown up in Buffalo, thus the question.




Jeesh. I can't believe that you've gotten my back up enough that I'm
practically defending JD.


(Hint: there are plenty of gifted athletes that don't choose football.
There
are plenty of athletes whose gifts aren't suited to football. Maybe you
should turn on the TV and check out some of the Olympic competition. Are
you
saying they're all just failed football players? I bet they're crying all
the
way to the podium.)

Actually I was talking about the larger team sports, and Football was just
the poster child for the discussion. Working class America will watch
football or baseball and glorify the athletes--these same working class
Americans will look at us on our bikes and have something for us, closer to
contempt. Again, this is the population at large, and not my attitude or
behavior.

As it relates to JD, if he could not play a major sport well enough to
letter in Highschool or college, it would explain alot about his
disfunctional personality here. Like I said, he looks more like a "Big Dog"
from the chess club :-)
If he is careful about the groups he interacts in, maybe he can keep talking
the way he does here.

As to the military angle, if he talked like this in bars with Navy, Marines
or Army guys, its pretty likely he'd have gotten his ass kicked regularly,
and at the very least, he would have been ( would still be) visiting the
brig on a regular basis. More likely, if he does hang out with other
military types, he talks differently than he does on AMB.

Dan V




Grrr!

--
monique

"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain

"Dan Vo2lker" wrote in message ...
I have several friends who are SEALS

How yawingly predictable. I wish I had a dollar for every time I
heard that line, or something similar. If you had the intestinal
fortitude to even join the military, I would have bet you were one of
those "I washed out of [insert any special ops unit here] because
[insert any or many of the multitude of excuses I've heard over the
years]."

JD

justen wrote in message ...
JD wrote:
No, *this* makes *you* ridiculous: ". We'll add
clueless to that as well.

Got a problem with Stanford, bitch? ;-)

justen

Not really. I do find overeducated career students who have trouble
tying their shoes, or completing the simple act of securing a bicycle
to a bike rack rather humorous though.

JD

"S o r n i" wrote in message ...
Dan, you must have been a carp in a previous life

He's still a carp because "you are what you eat" and he's obviously full of carp.

JD

mark_kendrick wrote in message ...
Some of my favorite riding is done up and down a course that has about
50' of elevation change.
just because you don't run downhill for 3-4 minutes doesn't mean you
don't know what downhill means.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...3-4 minutes.

I've ridden climbs and daownhills that were only 50yds long that could
kill you.

I'm ascared of your "deadly" 50 yard downhills...WAH!

To assume that anyone who doesn't live near a couple thousand
feet of elevation change isn't a mountainbiker will get your ass handed
to you in a race.

What does race have to do with anything? Are you some kind of racist?

grow up looser.

OK, I'll head over to a local pickup bar right away and get me a skank
to take home. That should make me looser.

JD

"Dan Vo2lker" wrote in message ...
Which just goes to prove you've always been a "big fish" in a small pond. I
can see you as the tough guy in the chess club while in high school, a kid
who carefully planned to stay away from the football team or other more
physical types. Or maybe you were the "big dog" in the AV club.

In college, I can see you avoiding contact with the "contact sports"
personalities like football players, wrestlers, and other big guys, and
hanging out with the drama club or some other group of "posers" where you
could safely say what ever came in to your head, without fear of any of
them pinning you up against the wall, or dipping your head in the toilet.
From seeing your pictures, a guy like you would have been "toilet dipping"
on a regular basis, if you weren't careful to avoid contact with the bigger
athletes ( none of which talked as aggressively, as you do now on usenet).

Its clear to see this behavior is still carefully planned by you, as your
outlets for big talking and chest puffing are Internet Chat rooms and Usenet
equivalents. Maybe when you fearlessly venture out of your home, and have
food or drinks in the local Dunkin Doughnuts, Starbucks, or TGI Fridays ,
you can get away with big talk amongst dougnut eaters, yuppie wimps,
attorneys and other posers, but your survival depends on your careful
avoidance of the bigger, more physical types who "could talk like you, but
would not". People who actually are physical, instead of just acting it,
don't say things that would obviously provoke physical confrontation, unless
they really wanted a physical confrontation, and wanted to kick someone's
ass. And since doing this often, would get this kind of person in trouble
with the law on a regular basis, they end up learning NOT to talk like this,
except on rare occaisions when it is really called for. You don't resemble
this in any way. You resemble the poser in the Internet Chat room. How you
ride your mountain bike is irrelavant. There are plenty of wimps and chess
club types who ride bikes well--hell, back in highschool, the guys who made
cycling their primary sport, were the guys to wimpy to go out for football
or any other contact sport. Now that we are out of college and in the real
world, contact sports are largely unavailable, and impractical, so sports
like cycling will prevail , even in the realm of the larger, physical
athletes who would have dipped your head in the toilet in high school or
college.

Reading the bull**** posts and boasts that keep coming out of your mouth,
about how you would be talking tough regardless of where you are , just
makes me wish you had attended USF back when I did---there would have been
multiple toilets with your name on them :-)

That was way to funny to snip! You've got it all figured out, don't
you?

Your dispensing of misinformation in am-b is too funny to let go, so
get used to getting called on it or **** off.

JD