Helmets

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:55:19 +0700, John B
wrote:


Recently the Bangkok Post published the results of a survey made by
Mahadol University's Institute for Population and Social Research
which compares Generation X, those born between 1961 and 1981 with the
Y generation born between 1982 and 2005.

Wait, I only missed being a Gen X-er by two years? WTF!

The study shows that the older generation prefers working in
challenging but possibly risky situations while the younger generation
do not like placing themselves in risky situations.

Or, perhaps to put in more graphic terms, the older folks are brave
and stalwart individuals while the youngsters are timid and
fainthearted. Which, of course, explains the modern helmet fetish.

Given that the most stalwart helmet wearers I know are baby boomers and
Gen X-ers, while most of the people I see cycling without helmets appear
to be Gen Y or Millenials, it seems to me that the data does not
transfer to Minnesota...

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:17:12 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/29/2016 10:05 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/29/2016 10:48 PM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
On 09-29-2016 20:55, John B. wrote:
The study shows that the older generation prefers working in
challenging but possibly risky situations while the younger
generation do not like placing themselves in risky situations.

Alternate interpretation: One generation takes too many risks, The
next generation sees the disasters that result and becomes afraid of
risk.

What disasters?

The biggest disaster I can think of comes from starting a war. But
people seem to keep producing those, year after year.

War is entirely human and won't stop any time soon. Get over it.

Victory is not a disaster.

Hmmm. It's a disaster for someone, since if there is a victor there is
also a loser. Modern war seems now to become a stalemate rather than a
victory for either side. Heck, the American Civil War has not fully
ended 150 years later...

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On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 21:39:01 +0100, "Benderthe.evilrobot"
wrote:


"Frank Krygowski" wrote in message
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On 9/29/2016 10:48 PM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
On 09-29-2016 20:55, John B. wrote:
The study shows that the older generation prefers working in
challenging but possibly risky situations while the younger generation
do not like placing themselves in risky situations.

Alternate interpretation: One generation takes too many risks, The
next
generation sees the disasters that result and becomes afraid of risk.

What disasters?

The biggest disaster I can think of comes from starting a war. But
people
seem to keep producing those, year after year.

Armament companies have to keep shifting inventory to fund the next
generation of weapons....................

Yes, the armament companies.
The U.S. has existed for 240 years and during that period has engaged
in 324 military actions.
It appears that those evil armament companies have been pretty busy.

Y2K was one hell of a use by date for stockpiled
munitions..................................

On Sunday, October 2, 2016 at 11:39:32 AM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 08:55:19 +0700, John B
wrote:


Recently the Bangkok Post published the results of a survey made by
Mahadol University's Institute for Population and Social Research
which compares Generation X, those born between 1961 and 1981 with the
Y generation born between 1982 and 2005.

Wait, I only missed being a Gen X-er by two years? WTF!

The study shows that the older generation prefers working in
challenging but possibly risky situations while the younger generation
do not like placing themselves in risky situations.

Or, perhaps to put in more graphic terms, the older folks are brave
and stalwart individuals while the youngsters are timid and
fainthearted. Which, of course, explains the modern helmet fetish.

Given that the most stalwart helmet wearers I know are baby boomers and
Gen X-ers, while most of the people I see cycling without helmets appear
to be Gen Y or Millenials, it seems to me that the data does not
transfer to Minnesota...

Judging by the number of smokers and the amount of alcohol consumed by the Greatest Generation, I would agree that they were big risk-takers.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 6:55:25 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
Recently the Bangkok Post published the results of a survey made by
Mahadol University's Institute for Population and Social Research
which compares Generation X, those born between 1961 and 1981 with the
Y generation born between 1982 and 2005.

The study shows that the older generation prefers working in
challenging but possibly risky situations while the younger generation
do not like placing themselves in risky situations.

Or, perhaps to put in more graphic terms, the older folks are brave
and stalwart individuals while the youngsters are timid and
fainthearted. Which, of course, explains the modern helmet fetish.
--
cheers,

John B.

Geez John, do you ALWAYS have to jab the hampster with a stick?

On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 7:48:54 PM UTC-7, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
On 09-29-2016 20:55, John B. wrote:
The study shows that the older generation prefers working in
challenging but possibly risky situations while the younger generation
do not like placing themselves in risky situations.

Alternate interpretation: One generation takes too many risks, The next
generation sees the disasters that result and becomes afraid of risk.

--
Wes Groleau

On news this morning: A cyclists was riding up a road in Marin County and the road dropped away on the right side he was climbing so slowly he lost his balance and unclipped and fell over the ride of the road ending up several hundred feel below with at least on broken bone. I suppose that's what you call taking a chance.

On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 8:03:38 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/29/2016 9:55 PM, John B. wrote:


Recently the Bangkok Post published the results of a survey made by
Mahadol University's Institute for Population and Social Research
which compares Generation X, those born between 1961 and 1981 with the
Y generation born between 1982 and 2005.

The study shows that the older generation prefers working in
challenging but possibly risky situations while the younger generation
do not like placing themselves in risky situations.

Or, perhaps to put in more graphic terms, the older folks are brave
and stalwart individuals while the youngsters are timid and
fainthearted. Which, of course, explains the modern helmet fetish.

Somewhat related, although I may have written about this befo

Atlantic Monthly some months ago had a long, thorough cover story on
overprotected children. Among much else, the article mentioned a young
PhD candidate (anthropology or sociology, I forget which) who observed
kids in the 1970s, much the way a biologist would observe a wildlife
species. Among other things, he studied their territories, their
movements during the day, including their wading in creeks, building
"huts" in the woods, roaming the neighborhoods, etc.

He checked back on some of those kids 20 years later, when they were
adults and had kids of their own. Those former free range kids now all
had chain link fences surrounding their back yards, and prohibited their
own kids from doing what they had done when they were young.


--
- Frank Krygowski

But he should have covered the difference in the safety of the population from increased population density.

I sure as hell wouldn't let my grandchildren run around like I used to because there were no people to bother me then.

On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 8:05:28 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/29/2016 10:48 PM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
On 09-29-2016 20:55, John B. wrote:
The study shows that the older generation prefers working in
challenging but possibly risky situations while the younger generation
do not like placing themselves in risky situations.

Alternate interpretation: One generation takes too many risks, The next
generation sees the disasters that result and becomes afraid of risk.

What disasters?

The biggest disaster I can think of comes from starting a war. But
people seem to keep producing those, year after year.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank??? Who do you suppose is "producing these"? Are you aware that there hasn't been 10 years of peace in the middle east for 2,000 years?

On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 12:01:17 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 21:48:52 -0500, "W. Wesley Groleau"
wrote:

On 09-29-2016 20:55, John B. wrote:
The study shows that the older generation prefers working in
challenging but possibly risky situations while the younger generation
do not like placing themselves in risky situations.

Alternate interpretation: One generation takes too many risks, The next
generation sees the disasters that result and becomes afraid of risk.

What disasters?

You mean the 700-something people that died riding a bicycle? Compared
with the numbers that died while walking? Or died due to falls?

The NHTSA has it that there were 4,735 pedestrian fatalities, some six
and a half times the number of bicycle fatalities. Are people afraid
of walking? Should one wear a helmet while walking?

--
cheers,

John B.

John, we're on the same side of this argument but that is a false premise. It isn't numbers killed but percentages killed and cyclists have a very high rate of injuries and deaths compared to pedestrians.

But of course MOST cyclists that are injured or killed are young and inexperienced and breaking traffic laws.

On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 12:03:18 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 23:05:27 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 9/29/2016 10:48 PM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
On 09-29-2016 20:55, John B. wrote:
The study shows that the older generation prefers working in
challenging but possibly risky situations while the younger generation
do not like placing themselves in risky situations.

Alternate interpretation: One generation takes too many risks, The next
generation sees the disasters that result and becomes afraid of risk.

What disasters?

The biggest disaster I can think of comes from starting a war. But
people seem to keep producing those, year after year.

And the U.S. seems to be the world champion at starting wars :-) And
not very successful at winning them :-(
--
cheers,

John B.

What recent wars have we started?