NY Tiimes article on biking

"Paul Hobson" wrote in message
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Seattle - seemed to be harmless, I can't quite recall though.


The area around the airport is a working class suburb. A couple of strip
joints and sleazy motels in the vicinity to serve a certain class of
traveler, but no one's forcing you to frequent them.

International Blvd (Hwy 99) is a bit of a bitch to ride on because of heavy
traffic, but the surrounding neighborhood streets are pleasant. Shortest
route from airport to downtown:
http://www.seattle.gov/transportatio...guidemap06.htm. Best route:
http://www.cascade.org/Community/alternate_airport.cfm


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It's a really cool ride from Paris to the Charles De Gaulle airport.
You get to ride along the promenade following the canal l'ourcq and
observe all the locals recreating themselves by the canal. No fence or
barrier to prevent anyone from falling in the canal; I guess they think
people are smart enough not to do that, and if they do, it's their
fault. Can you imagine how fast somebody would sue if we had a similar
canal and promenade in the U.S.?

I was just in San Antonio and noticed that there is no fence along the
Riverwalk there. It's crowded, too, and drinking is one of the main
activities.

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Paul Turne

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:30:06 -0800, rk73737 wrote:

I was thinking of JFK, LaGuardia, Logan, Miami and Newark (especially).
And I didn't mean always right next to the airport. I mean to get from
the airport to the downtown city you usually pass through high crime
neighborhoods. This is not the case in Holland. The guy from Holland
may not have know about the sections of Brooklyn he rode through are
very dangerous day or night.

I've spent plenty of time in "bad" neighborhoods, and
never had a problem. Same with the millions of other people who live in
these areas and go about their business every day, yet still seem to
survive. In fact, the chances of being a victim of violent crime, even in
"bad" areas, is vanishingly small.

Matt O.

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:45:46 -0600, Paul Turner wrote:

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It's a really cool ride from Paris to the Charles De Gaulle airport.
You get to ride along the promenade following the canal l'ourcq and
observe all the locals recreating themselves by the canal. No fence or
barrier to prevent anyone from falling in the canal; I guess they think
people are smart enough not to do that, and if they do, it's their
fault. Can you imagine how fast somebody would sue if we had a similar
canal and promenade in the U.S.?

I was just in San Antonio and noticed that there is no fence along the
Riverwalk there. It's crowded, too, and drinking is one of the main
activities.

There are no fences keeping path users from falling into the
rivers (culverts, actually) in southern CA either. Ditto railings on some
of the fishing piers.

It is true about nanny-ism in the US vs. everywhere else, and France
especially. For one thing, the French do cherish basic individual
freedom. They also don't like to look at silly, ugly signs. But with
free national health care (perhaps the most comprehensive in the world),
they don't have to sue to be taken care of when they do hurt themselves.

Matt O.

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I was thinking of JFK, LaGuardia,

Yeah, those damn Guinea mortgage brokers and insurance salesmen in
Howard Beach can be tricky. And those Greeks in Astoria, assaulting you
with their seditious philosophy and that interminable poetry! Please,
get me a good old-fashioned Pakistani limo driver!

Seriously, how far out of your way would you have to go to find a bad
neighborhood between Manhattan and Laguardia?



Logan, Miami and Newark (especially).

The entire city of Newark has recently been completely re-done to the
point where even Philip Roth might approve.


And I didn't mean always right next to the airport. I mean to get from
the airport to the downtown city you usually pass through high crime
neighborhoods. This is not the case in Holland. The guy from Holland
may not have know about the sections of Brooklyn he rode through are
very dangerous day or night.

Could we have a show of hands of everyone who has ridden through these
so-called "dangerous" sections, with a report about what happened?

--ag

andy gee wrote:


Could we have a show of hands of everyone who has ridden through these
so-called "dangerous" sections, with a report about what happened?

I can't comment on _those_ specific "dangerous" sections. But I've
ridden many miles through "bad" areas of various towns. In fact, when
I first started cycle commuting, my route went through the "bad"
neighborhood adjacent to my own, and (depending on my mood) past a
rather notorious bar.

I had students who said I should never ride there. In fact, they
offered to drive me home to "save" me. But in no time, I had people
waving at me as I rode past.

Not to say there are no dangerous neighborhoods. But my bet is there
are many that are mis-labeled, or over-labeled.

- Frank Krygowski

Paul Hobson wrote:
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One thing the article doesn't mention that usually around major
airports in the US you have dangerous neighborhoods where you are at
serious risk for being a victim of violent crime if you are on a
bicycle.


Hmmm...
Atlanta - maybe. Not the nicest part of town, but I wouldn't be scared
until around 2 am
Colorado Springs - suburbs/middle of no where, totally harmless
Seattle - seemed to be harmless, I can't quite recall though.


Actually, Atlanta, for being so damned backwards when it come to
transportation, has a very nice system for getting to the airport. The
otherwise useless public transit authority has a station integrated into
the airport that dumps you out right at a Delta check-in counter
(Atlanta being the headquarters of Delta and all). I've /heard/ that
cities like NYC, Chicago, etc don't have such a luxury.

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Paul M. Hobson
Georgia Institute of Technology
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"Paul Hobson" wrote in message
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Actually, Atlanta, for being so damned backwards when it come to
transportation, has a very nice system for getting to the airport. The
otherwise useless public transit authority has a station integrated into
the airport that dumps you out right at a Delta check-in counter (Atlanta
being the headquarters of Delta and all).

We have the opposite he I took public transportation to the airport
yesterday, and found that the stop was as far as it possibly could be from
the Alaska Airlines counter.

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andy gee wrote:
Seriously, how far out of your way would you have to go to find a bad
neighborhood between Manhattan and Laguardia?

LaGuardia is near Rockaway and Canarsie, both high-crime areas.

-Mike