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I'm looking for a randonneur to buy for personal use.
This [1] looks good: 47-622 tires [2], Shimano 105 30 speed, mudguards/fenders, holders for pack, etc. - only a bit juicy at 1649.90 euro. What other randonneurs at perhaps a lower price are you aware of? For me to like it, it has to a be a diamond steel frame, with at least 44-622 tires, lots of gears, rim brakes, long-wheelbase/comfort-geometry/fork-with-rake, and maximum-headset-spacers if indeed a modern Aheadset style... [1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017 [2] It says 35-622 on the page but a guy in a shop told me it had 47-622 when he showed me the bike. The tires looked possibly 44-622 to me but I can't always tell without looking. -- underground experts exiled |
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Emanuel Berg wrote:
I'm looking for a randonneur to buy for personal use. This [1] looks good: 47-622 tires [2], Shimano 105 30 speed, mudguards/fenders, holders for pack, etc. - only a bit juicy at 1649.90 euro. What other randonneurs at perhaps a lower price are you aware of? Careful, "one" (cough) or the other brand might just be selling "trekking" frames with extra bent metal tubes to call them randonneur bikes. For me to like it, it has to a be a diamond steel frame, with at least 44-622 tires, lots of gears, rim brakes, long-wheelbase/comfort-geometry/fork-with-rake, and maximum-headset-spacers if indeed a modern Aheadset style... A realistic question is if the common 42 width is sufficient or if the bike really fits 47 (labeled) tires plus fenders. [1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017 Comfort geometry? Well, most apes do have short legs and long arms. https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/de/pdfs/pdf_vsf/testberichte/2016_01_radtouren_vsf_fahrradmanufaktur_tx_randonn eur_6.pdf -- And good luck defending it once the monkeys have run out of gas! https://www.msb.se/Upload/Forebyggande/Krisberedskap/Krisberedskapsveckan/Fakta%20om%20broschyren%20Om%20krisen%20eller%20Kr iget%20kommer/If%20crises%20or%20war%20comes.pdf |
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Sepp Ruf writes:
A realistic question is if the common 42 width is sufficient or if the bike really fits 47 (labeled) tires plus fenders. Do they say that anywhere on the page? I only heard the guy say it ("47") in the shop (tho the tires didn't look that wide), on the home page, what I can see, it says Schwalbe Marathon Racer, 35-622, reflex 35 on a touring/randonneur bike? I have 32-630 on my road bike and my intuition tells me 35 is too small as well, probably 42 at a very minimum! -- underground experts exiled |
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On 5/23/2018 5:28 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
I'm looking for a randonneur to buy for personal use. This [1] looks good: 47-622 tires [2], Shimano 105 30 speed, mudguards/fenders, holders for pack, etc. - only a bit juicy at 1649.90 euro. What other randonneurs at perhaps a lower price are you aware of? For me to like it, it has to a be a diamond steel frame, with at least 44-622 tires, lots of gears, rim brakes, long-wheelbase/comfort-geometry/fork-with-rake, and maximum-headset-spacers if indeed a modern Aheadset style... [1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017 Yes, the Fahrradmanufaktur is probably your best bet. We have no Randonneur bicycles available in the U.S.. |
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sms writes:
[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017 Yes, the Fahrradmanufaktur is probably your best bet. Yep, I think it looks great, too expansive but I'll put in the extra effort to maybe get it to next summer. Or the summer after that... We have no Randonneur bicycles available in the U.S.. Really? Why not? -- underground experts exiled |
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On 5/23/2018 1:25 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
sms writes: [1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017 Yes, the Fahrradmanufaktur is probably your best bet. Yep, I think it looks great, too expansive but I'll put in the extra effort to maybe get it to next summer. Or the summer after that... We have no Randonneur bicycles available in the U.S.. Really? Why not? No market for them. |
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sms writes:
We have no Randonneur bicycles available in the U.S.. Really? Why not? No market for them. Depressing! -- underground experts exiled |
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On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:39:55 -0700, sms
wrote: On 5/23/2018 1:25 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: sms writes: [1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017 Yes, the Fahrradmanufaktur is probably your best bet. Yep, I think it looks great, too expansive but I'll put in the extra effort to maybe get it to next summer. Or the summer after that... We have no Randonneur bicycles available in the U.S.. Really? Why not? No market for them. Sure we have randonneuses available in the US, albeit generally by custom order (just like the French- even there, there are have been few true randonneuses available as mass market bikes that you could buy off the showroom floor). I had one made by a local builder in 2015 and he had made others before mine. There are a few builders in the US that specialize in this sort of thing. If you're talking about "bikes with fenders and lights," there are options in many bike shops in the US. But "bike" in the US continues to mean mostly MTBs or TdF type bikes. |
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On 5/23/2018 1:25 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
sms writes: [1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017 Yes, the Fahrradmanufaktur is probably your best bet. Yep, I think it looks great, too expansive but I'll put in the extra effort to maybe get it to next summer. Or the summer after that... We have no Randonneur bicycles available in the U.S.. Really? Why not? You can buy a Randonneur frame in the U.S.: http://www.somafab.com/archives/prod...neur-frame-set A randonneur bicycle is not the same as a touring bicycle, though a touring bicycle may be close enough for you. $529.99 for a frame and fork is not bad. You should be able to build a complete bike for another $1000 or so. |
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On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 7:28:54 AM UTC-5, Emanuel Berg wrote:
[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017 Looks like a loaded touring bike to me. Those are sold in the USA and everywhere in the world. To me randonneur means something very special and specific. Randonneuring is long distance cycling, 200 to 1200km, in a specific time limit. You carry minimal gear to make it through the ride. NO ONE uses a loaded touring bike like you linked to for randonneuring. Look at the bikes used on Paris Brest Paris, the original randonneur ride, and you will not see any loaded touring bikes. The bike you linked would be used on round the world tours carrying four panniers, handlebar bag, and tent piled on top of the rear rack. A heavy loaded touring bike. If that is what you want, then just do a simple search for loaded touring bikes. |
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