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Stress Analysis in the Design of Bicycle Infrastructure
On 8/14/2017 1:55 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-14 09:56, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 12:05:04 PM UTC-4, wrote: Snipped The entire trouble in California is the excessive taxation. The Federal government is nearly as bad. Snipped You want business growth in the US - stop preventing it by excessive taxation. Here they have added an addition tax every year for the last three years to "fix the roads" and still haven't done anything more than patched them in the most egregious places. Got to pay for all that bicycling infrastructure planning and building somehow. Bicyclist aren't going to pay it just themselves. Thus others re forced to chi; in via taxes. We pay over $4k/year just in property taxes. That is about 10 (ten!) times more than what we paid for a house of similar value in Europe. And yes, I do expect something in return for that much money. Such as bike paths. You complain a lot about America. Why not move back to Europe? -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:41:54 -0700, sms
wrote: On 8/14/2017 10:55 AM, Joerg wrote: We pay over $4k/year just in property taxes. That is about 10 (ten!) times more than what we paid for a house of similar value in Europe. And yes, I do expect something in return for that much money. Such as bike paths. Yet the net tax burden is less in the U.S.. And California property taxes are less, as a percentage of the property value, than many other states. California is 17th lowest. Years ago I was living in Riverside California while my parents lived in a small town in New Hampshire. They visited us one year (long drive :-) and I remember my father asking me what my property taxes were. When I told him he sort of laughed and replied, "that is less then our winter heating costs". -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 8/14/2017 6:11 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-14 14:55, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/14/2017 1:55 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-14 09:56, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 12:05:04 PM UTC-4, wrote: Snipped The entire trouble in California is the excessive taxation. The Federal government is nearly as bad. Snipped You want business growth in the US - stop preventing it by excessive taxation. Here they have added an addition tax every year for the last three years to "fix the roads" and still haven't done anything more than patched them in the most egregious places. Got to pay for all that bicycling infrastructure planning and building somehow. Bicyclist aren't going to pay it just themselves. Thus others re forced to chi; in via taxes. We pay over $4k/year just in property taxes. That is about 10 (ten!) times more than what we paid for a house of similar value in Europe. And yes, I do expect something in return for that much money. Such as bike paths. You complain a lot about America. Why not move back to Europe? Since November I am not complaining too much :-) When one has lived in several countries one can compare and try to bring some of the better ideas to the new place. America has some major upsides versus Europe such as better fostering of free enterprise (on the federal level, not the Californian level) So the only major upside of America you mention doesn't exist in California? But you chose to live in California? You're not sounding brilliant, Joerg. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 1:45:44 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-14 13:27, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 10:55:54 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-14 09:56, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 12:05:04 PM UTC-4, wrote: Snipped The entire trouble in California is the excessive taxation. The Federal government is nearly as bad. Snipped You want business growth in the US - stop preventing it by excessive taxation. Here they have added an addition tax every year for the last three years to "fix the roads" and still haven't done anything more than patched them in the most egregious places. Got to pay for all that bicycling infrastructure planning and building somehow. Bicyclist aren't going to pay it just themselves. Thus others re forced to chi; in via taxes. We pay over $4k/year just in property taxes. That is about 10 (ten!) times more than what we paid for a house of similar value in Europe. And yes, I do expect something in return for that much money. Such as bike paths. That's it! Try triple that in Portland -- or more, if you have a nice house. ... Time you guys had a taxpayer revolt like the Californian Proposition 13. I know a guy in New York who had a decent academic-level income yet his family was essentially taxed out of their home. There are reasons why New York, Orgeon and lots of other places are not on my list of potential retirement places. What the f*** are you complaining about? You think that for four-measly-thousand you're going to get bike trails to your door. You're crazy! Plus property taxes don't pay for transportation infrastructure -- that is funded through transportation taxes, usually the gas tax with general fund input. http://www.frontiergroup.org/reports/fg/who-pays-roads Quote "Most walking and bicycling takes place on local streets and roads that are primarily paid for through property taxes and other general local taxes". Well, that's just wrong -- particularly for you. AFAIK, property taxes in California may pay a tiny part of certain transportation projects -- like mass transit, highway lighting or pot-hole filling. They're not being used to build bike paths. Look at your tax bill and see if there are any bonds for bicycle infrastructure. And read this: http://www.calbike.org/funding_sources After Prop 13, there are few property tax dollars for transportation projects. Maybe SMS can weigh in on this. But I do know you pay practically nothing for property tax. I probably paid that much 20 years ago for a dinger house in a sketchy part of town. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 22:00:57 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 8/14/2017 6:11 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-14 14:55, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/14/2017 1:55 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-14 09:56, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 12:05:04 PM UTC-4, wrote: Snipped The entire trouble in California is the excessive taxation. The Federal government is nearly as bad. Snipped You want business growth in the US - stop preventing it by excessive taxation. Here they have added an addition tax every year for the last three years to "fix the roads" and still haven't done anything more than patched them in the most egregious places. Got to pay for all that bicycling infrastructure planning and building somehow. Bicyclist aren't going to pay it just themselves. Thus others re forced to chi; in via taxes. We pay over $4k/year just in property taxes. That is about 10 (ten!) times more than what we paid for a house of similar value in Europe. And yes, I do expect something in return for that much money. Such as bike paths. You complain a lot about America. Why not move back to Europe? Since November I am not complaining too much :-) When one has lived in several countries one can compare and try to bring some of the better ideas to the new place. America has some major upsides versus Europe such as better fostering of free enterprise (on the federal level, not the Californian level) So the only major upside of America you mention doesn't exist in California? But you chose to live in California? You're not sounding brilliant, Joerg. Given that the Virgin Group (net worth 5 - 5.5 billion Sterling, estimated in 2014) started with Richard Branson selling bootleg records out of the trunk of his car, it doesn't sound like a business is too difficult to get going in Europe. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 2017-08-14 23:15, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 22:00:57 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/14/2017 6:11 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-14 14:55, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/14/2017 1:55 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-14 09:56, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 12:05:04 PM UTC-4, wrote: Snipped The entire trouble in California is the excessive taxation. The Federal government is nearly as bad. Snipped You want business growth in the US - stop preventing it by excessive taxation. Here they have added an addition tax every year for the last three years to "fix the roads" and still haven't done anything more than patched them in the most egregious places. Got to pay for all that bicycling infrastructure planning and building somehow. Bicyclist aren't going to pay it just themselves. Thus others re forced to chi; in via taxes. We pay over $4k/year just in property taxes. That is about 10 (ten!) times more than what we paid for a house of similar value in Europe. And yes, I do expect something in return for that much money. Such as bike paths. You complain a lot about America. Why not move back to Europe? Since November I am not complaining too much :-) When one has lived in several countries one can compare and try to bring some of the better ideas to the new place. America has some major upsides versus Europe such as better fostering of free enterprise (on the federal level, not the Californian level) So the only major upside of America you mention doesn't exist in California? To a large extent it doesn't. ... But you chose to live in California? No. My employer chose that. IWe would like to move out of state but moving is such a hassle. One of the main things holding us back is our engagement in church and in the community. We are not special but, for example, it would be hard to find someone else willing to be with Alzheimer's patient (without getting nightmares after every time) and also has certified therapy dogs for this sort of service. You're not sounding brilliant, Joerg. You are the master of premature conclusions. Judging without knowing the facts. Given that the Virgin Group (net worth 5 - 5.5 billion Sterling, estimated in 2014) started with Richard Branson selling bootleg records out of the trunk of his car, it doesn't sound like a business is too difficult to get going in Europe. Look at where he does most of his business though. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2017-08-14 20:09, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 1:45:44 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-14 13:27, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 10:55:54 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-14 09:56, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 12:05:04 PM UTC-4, wrote: Snipped The entire trouble in California is the excessive taxation. The Federal government is nearly as bad. Snipped You want business growth in the US - stop preventing it by excessive taxation. Here they have added an addition tax every year for the last three years to "fix the roads" and still haven't done anything more than patched them in the most egregious places. Got to pay for all that bicycling infrastructure planning and building somehow. Bicyclist aren't going to pay it just themselves. Thus others re forced to chi; in via taxes. We pay over $4k/year just in property taxes. That is about 10 (ten!) times more than what we paid for a house of similar value in Europe. And yes, I do expect something in return for that much money. Such as bike paths. That's it! Try triple that in Portland -- or more, if you have a nice house. ... Time you guys had a taxpayer revolt like the Californian Proposition 13. I know a guy in New York who had a decent academic-level income yet his family was essentially taxed out of their home. There are reasons why New York, Orgeon and lots of other places are not on my list of potential retirement places. What the f*** are you complaining about? You think that for four-measly-thousand you're going to get bike trails to your door. You're crazy! Plus property taxes don't pay for transportation infrastructure -- that is funded through transportation taxes, usually the gas tax with general fund input. http://www.frontiergroup.org/reports/fg/who-pays-roads Quote "Most walking and bicycling takes place on local streets and roads that are primarily paid for through property taxes and other general local taxes". Well, that's just wrong -- particularly for you. AFAIK, property taxes in California may pay a tiny part of certain transportation projects -- like mass transit, highway lighting or pot-hole filling. They're not being used to build bike paths. Look at your tax bill and see if there are any bonds for bicycle infrastructure. And read this: http://www.calbike.org/funding_sources Quote from your link "Most of that is generated by your city or county" So how do they get it? Out of thin air? Print it cladestinely? Local taxes have two major sources, property taxes and sales taxes. We contribute to both and expect something for that. ... After Prop 13, there are few property tax dollars for transportation projects. Maybe SMS can weigh in on this. But I do know you pay practically nothing for property tax. I probably paid that much 20 years ago for a dinger house in a sketchy part of town. Why did you do that? -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 3:46:23 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 8/14/2017 10:55 AM, Joerg wrote: We pay over $4k/year just in property taxes. That is about 10 (ten!) times more than what we paid for a house of similar value in Europe. And yes, I do expect something in return for that much money. Such as bike paths. Yet the net tax burden is less in the U.S.. And California property taxes are less, as a percentage of the property value, than many other states. California is 17th lowest. The ONLY way they can get away with this is because of the tremendous tax base. But that ain't going to work for long with the people with money leaving California. |
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On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 5:21:44 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:55:57 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/14/2017 1:55 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-14 09:56, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 12:05:04 PM UTC-4, wrote: Snipped The entire trouble in California is the excessive taxation. The Federal government is nearly as bad. Snipped You want business growth in the US - stop preventing it by excessive taxation. Here they have added an addition tax every year for the last three years to "fix the roads" and still haven't done anything more than patched them in the most egregious places. Got to pay for all that bicycling infrastructure planning and building somehow. Bicyclist aren't going to pay it just themselves. Thus others re forced to chi; in via taxes. We pay over $4k/year just in property taxes. That is about 10 (ten!) times more than what we paid for a house of similar value in Europe. And yes, I do expect something in return for that much money. Such as bike paths. You complain a lot about America. Why not move back to Europe? What is ignored is that average salaries in Europe are much lower then in 'The land of opportunity". As an example, the Web tells us that the *average* Mechanical Engineering salary in France is 40,250 Euro, approximately US$47,350, while In The Netherlands (the land of bicycles) it is 38,704 Euro, about US$45,534. In the Sacramento area of California it is $70,603. As an EE with experience I wouldn't work for less than $120,000 and my last job before my injury was a quarter of a million. But I also was managing a team of 5 engineers. Before that I was a department manager and did half of the design and programming for the teams and consulted with NASA and did some boards for the International Space Station. Wish I could remember any of that instead of having to read it off of my resume. As for the money I was making I actually had the pay stubs. |
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