Hit and run scum in custody after killing

QUOTE:
"The force said that officers on patrol in a vehicle became suspicious about the driver of a silver Vauxhall Vectra and attempted to stop the vehicle, “but it made off at speed and collided with a male cyclist a short distance away.�

The victim, aged 55, died at the scene, while the motorist, a 22-year-old man, was arrested and is in police custody.

West Yorkshire Police added: “Due to the circumstances an immediate referral has been made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.�

http://road.cc/content/news/198014-w...ds-away-police

On 20/07/2016 12:41, Alycidon wrote:

QUOTE:

"The force said that officers on patrol in a vehicle became suspicious about the driver of a silver Vauxhall Vectra and attempted to stop the vehicle, “but it made off at speed and collided with a male cyclist a short distance away.�
The victim, aged 55, died at the scene, while the motorist, a 22-year-old man, was arrested and is in police custody.
West Yorkshire Police added: “Due to the circumstances an immediate referral has been made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.�
http://road.cc/content/news/198014-w...ds-away-police

It is bizarre (yet, in PC-Britain, regrettably par for the course) that
such an incident could even be suspected of being the "fault" of the
police driver who was simply doing his job.

Any bets on the chances of this being a "no licence", "no insurance" and
very possibly, "TWOC" job?

On 20/07/2016 12:52, JNugent wrote:


It is bizarre (yet, in PC-Britain, regrettably par for the course) that
such an incident could even be suspected of being the "fault" of the
police driver who was simply doing his job.

Any bets on the chances of this being a "no licence", "no insurance" and
very possibly, "TWOC" job?

How about a little intelligence test. Say you were a pest controller and
were called to a school to dispose of a wasp nest in the playground.
Arriving in the middle of the children's play time Would you:
A) Walk up to the nest and hit it with a big stick.
B) Wait for the children to leave the playground before attempting to
remove the nest safely.

I know it is a tough one...

On 20/07/2016 19:21, Nick wrote:

On 20/07/2016 12:52, JNugent wrote:

It is bizarre (yet, in PC-Britain, regrettably par for the course) that
such an incident could even be suspected of being the "fault" of the
police driver who was simply doing his job.

Any bets on the chances of this being a "no licence", "no insurance" and
very possibly, "TWOC" job?

How about a little intelligence test. Say you were a pest controller and
were called to a school to dispose of a wasp nest in the playground.
Arriving in the middle of the children's play time Would you:
A) Walk up to the nest and hit it with a big stick.
B) Wait for the children to leave the playground before attempting to
remove the nest safely.

I know it is a tough one...

You failed your own intelligence test (fancy that) - so it was certainly
too tough for you.

Pests capable of being controlled will still be there later on.

Scrotes absconding from a crime scene won't be.

Go on... see if you can devise an even more outlandish non-analogy.

On 21/07/2016 00:57, JNugent wrote:
On 20/07/2016 19:21, Nick wrote:

On 20/07/2016 12:52, JNugent wrote:

It is bizarre (yet, in PC-Britain, regrettably par for the course) that
such an incident could even be suspected of being the "fault" of the
police driver who was simply doing his job.

Any bets on the chances of this being a "no licence", "no insurance" and
very possibly, "TWOC" job?

How about a little intelligence test. Say you were a pest controller and
were called to a school to dispose of a wasp nest in the playground.
Arriving in the middle of the children's play time Would you:
A) Walk up to the nest and hit it with a big stick.
B) Wait for the children to leave the playground before attempting to
remove the nest safely.

I know it is a tough one...

You failed your own intelligence test (fancy that) - so it was certainly
too tough for you.

Pests capable of being controlled will still be there later on.

Scrotes absconding from a crime scene won't be.

Go on... see if you can devise an even more outlandish non-analogy.


What was your answer to the one I asked? A or B?

On 21/07/2016 15:02, Nick wrote:
On 21/07/2016 00:57, JNugent wrote:
On 20/07/2016 19:21, Nick wrote:

On 20/07/2016 12:52, JNugent wrote:

It is bizarre (yet, in PC-Britain, regrettably par for the course) that
such an incident could even be suspected of being the "fault" of the
police driver who was simply doing his job.

Any bets on the chances of this being a "no licence", "no insurance"
and
very possibly, "TWOC" job?

How about a little intelligence test. Say you were a pest controller and
were called to a school to dispose of a wasp nest in the playground.
Arriving in the middle of the children's play time Would you:
A) Walk up to the nest and hit it with a big stick.
B) Wait for the children to leave the playground before attempting to
remove the nest safely.

I know it is a tough one...

You failed your own intelligence test (fancy that) - so it was certainly
too tough for you.

Pests capable of being controlled will still be there later on.

Scrotes absconding from a crime scene won't be.

Go on... see if you can devise an even more outlandish non-analogy.


What was your answer to the one I asked? A or B?

A better analogy might be: If a man is wandering down the street waving
an axe around, should the Police?
A: Go to his house and wait for him to come home, or
B: Chase him and apprehend him


Should the Police in Nice have waited for Mohammed to calm down and
drive home from his killing spree or fill the cabin with Lead?

On 21/07/2016 15:02, Nick wrote:
On 21/07/2016 00:57, JNugent wrote:
On 20/07/2016 19:21, Nick wrote:

On 20/07/2016 12:52, JNugent wrote:

It is bizarre (yet, in PC-Britain, regrettably par for the course) that
such an incident could even be suspected of being the "fault" of the
police driver who was simply doing his job.

Any bets on the chances of this being a "no licence", "no insurance"
and
very possibly, "TWOC" job?

How about a little intelligence test. Say you were a pest controller and
were called to a school to dispose of a wasp nest in the playground.
Arriving in the middle of the children's play time Would you:
A) Walk up to the nest and hit it with a big stick.
B) Wait for the children to leave the playground before attempting to
remove the nest safely.

I know it is a tough one...

You failed your own intelligence test (fancy that) - so it was certainly
too tough for you.

Pests capable of being controlled will still be there later on.

Scrotes absconding from a crime scene won't be.

Go on... see if you can devise an even more outlandish non-analogy.


What was your answer to the one I asked? A or B?

It doesn't matter what you would do in your day job.

We were talking about the police chasing you when you are off-duty.

On 21/07/2016 16:08, MrCheerful wrote:
On 21/07/2016 15:02, Nick wrote:
On 21/07/2016 00:57, JNugent wrote:
On 20/07/2016 19:21, Nick wrote:

On 20/07/2016 12:52, JNugent wrote:

It is bizarre (yet, in PC-Britain, regrettably par for the course)
that
such an incident could even be suspected of being the "fault" of the
police driver who was simply doing his job.

Any bets on the chances of this being a "no licence", "no insurance"
and
very possibly, "TWOC" job?

How about a little intelligence test. Say you were a pest controller
and
were called to a school to dispose of a wasp nest in the playground.
Arriving in the middle of the children's play time Would you:
A) Walk up to the nest and hit it with a big stick.
B) Wait for the children to leave the playground before attempting to
remove the nest safely.

I know it is a tough one...

You failed your own intelligence test (fancy that) - so it was certainly
too tough for you.

Pests capable of being controlled will still be there later on.

Scrotes absconding from a crime scene won't be.

Go on... see if you can devise an even more outlandish non-analogy.


What was your answer to the one I asked? A or B?

A better analogy might be: If a man is wandering down the street waving
an axe around, should the Police?
A: Go to his house and wait for him to come home, or
B: Chase him and apprehend him


I think the police have shot 4 "islamic terrorists" in the UK. They
killed one who wasn't a Muslim or terrorist, injured another who wasn't
a terrorist and injured another two who were genuine Muslim nutters. Not
a spectacular record.

Should the Police in Nice have waited for Mohammed to calm down and
drive home from his killing spree or fill the cabin with Lead?

AIUI They didn't actually shot him until he had already stopped. But no
one is doubting that it was a sensible thing to do.

The trouble is that a lot of people have a lot of difficulty making
sensible decisions even in situations which seem obvious to most of us.
Indeed we see Nugent's reluctance to answer a simple question.

Specifically, studies of police car chases tend to suggest they do more
harm than good. Which is probably why there was an immediate referral to
the IPCC in this case.

On 21/07/2016 21:56, Nick wrote:

On 21/07/2016 16:08, MrCheerful wrote:
On 21/07/2016 15:02, Nick wrote:
On 21/07/2016 00:57, JNugent wrote:
On 20/07/2016 19:21, Nick wrote:
On 20/07/2016 12:52, JNugent wrote:

It is bizarre (yet, in PC-Britain, regrettably par for the course)
that such an incident could even be suspected of being the "fault"
of the police driver who was simply doing his job.
Any bets on the chances of this being a "no licence", "no insurance"
and very possibly, "TWOC" job?

How about a little intelligence test. Say you were a pest controller
and were called to a school to dispose of a wasp nest in the playground.
Arriving in the middle of the children's play time Would you:
A) Walk up to the nest and hit it with a big stick.
B) Wait for the children to leave the playground before attempting to
remove the nest safely.
I know it is a tough one...

You failed your own intelligence test (fancy that) - so it was
certainly too tough for you.

Wasn't it?

Pests capable of being controlled will still be there later on.
Scrotes absconding from a crime scene won't be.
Go on... see if you can devise an even more outlandish non-analogy.

What was your answer to the one I asked? A or B?

A better analogy might be: If a man is wandering down the street waving
an axe around, should the Police?
A: Go to his house and wait for him to come home, or
B: Chase him and apprehend him

I think the police have shot 4 "islamic terrorists" in the UK. They
killed one who wasn't a Muslim or terrorist, injured another who wasn't
a terrorist and injured another two who were genuine Muslim nutters. Not
a spectacular record.

Should the Police in Nice have waited for Mohammed to calm down and
drive home from his killing spree or fill the cabin with Lead?

AIUI They didn't actually shot him until he had already stopped. But no
one is doubting that it was a sensible thing to do.

The trouble is that a lot of people have a lot of difficulty making
sensible decisions even in situations which seem obvious to most of us.
Indeed we see Nugent's reluctance to answer a simple question.

Your question is indeed simple and deceitfully loaded, since it fails to
compare like with like. It was a non-anaolgy. Perhaps you couldn't see that.

I have already dealt with your silly question by setting it in its
correct context (which is not the same as the context of this incident).

Specifically, studies of police car chases tend to suggest they do more
harm than good. Which is probably why there was an immediate referral to
the IPCC in this case.

So in your opinion, all car-thieves, drunk drivers and
uninsured/unlicensed drivers should simply speed away when challenged by
a police patrol, since the police (in your opinion) ought to be banned
from giving pursuit.

Instead of following, the police perhaps should simply make a note to
call around to the address of the registered keeper at a later date and
sort it all out over a cuppa and a piece of cake.

What could possibly go wrong?

On 22/07/2016 14:17, JNugent wrote:

Your question is indeed simple and deceitfully loaded, since it fails to
compare like with like. It was a non-anaolgy. Perhaps you couldn't see
that.


Do you understand what an analogy is? I know you have a problem with
basic logic and hence I used an example to try to explain it to you.
Explain that people have to look at the bigger picture rather than a
single narrow aspect of their job requirement.

I still don't know if you could actually answer the wasp question.