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Open Letter to Steve Bracks & Peter Batchelor
Good Morning People,
Some years back, your Government came out with a long term plan entitled `Melbourne 2030', which envisaged, amongst other things, 20 per cent of the city's population using public transport. In the light of what is happening at present, this would appear to be a joke of the most dubious kind. I draw your attention to the following facts: Average Speed of Melbourne public transport, 1885: Steam suburban train: 30 k/mh Cable tram: 18 k/mh Horse-drawn omnibus: 10 k/mh Average Speed of Melbourne public transport, 2005: Electric suburban train: 37 k/mh Electric tram: 18 k/mh Diesel motor bus 9 k/mh As you can clearly see, the improvements in the past 120 years have been at best marginal, and in the case of buses, have actually gone slightly backwards. It's little wonder that in 2003, of public transport in 100 cities in the developed world, Melbourne won the booby prize for having the SLOWEST. When your fastest available form of transport can be easily outrun by a racing bicycle, do you wonder that commuters resolutely stay with their cars no matter what the petrol price? When your fixed rail system has had negligible alterations to its network in the past 50 years, do you wonder that the system is struggling to cope with the demands of the 21st century? Horse drawn buses, cable trams and steam suburban trains have long since vanished, but your system has shown negligible improvements over their performance. In short, where have you been? Isn't it about time you stopped building earthworks primarily of interest to future archaeologists and started concentrating on the real needs of the metropolis? In short, kick some butt at 600 Collins St, tell the faceless bureaucrats at VicRoads that the 1954 CRB Roads Master Plan is finally off the agenda, and wake up to the real world. Sincerely yours, Ray Peace Ferntree Gully Vic 3156 |
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Open Letter to Steve Bracks & Peter Batchelor
cc Messrs Iemma and Watson.
Change Melbourne 2030 to Sydney 2010. Anyone have relevant speeds for Sydney Transport? Regards David Bennetts "Ray Peace" wrote in message ... Good Morning People, Some years back, your Government came out with a long term plan entitled `Melbourne 2030', which envisaged, amongst other things, 20 per cent of the city's population using public transport. In the light of what is happening at present, this would appear to be a joke of the most dubious kind. I draw your attention to the following facts: Average Speed of Melbourne public transport, 1885: Steam suburban train: 30 k/mh Cable tram: 18 k/mh Horse-drawn omnibus: 10 k/mh Average Speed of Melbourne public transport, 2005: Electric suburban train: 37 k/mh Electric tram: 18 k/mh Diesel motor bus 9 k/mh As you can clearly see, the improvements in the past 120 years have been at best marginal, and in the case of buses, have actually gone slightly backwards. It's little wonder that in 2003, of public transport in 100 cities in the developed world, Melbourne won the booby prize for having the SLOWEST. When your fastest available form of transport can be easily outrun by a racing bicycle, do you wonder that commuters resolutely stay with their cars no matter what the petrol price? When your fixed rail system has had negligible alterations to its network in the past 50 years, do you wonder that the system is struggling to cope with the demands of the 21st century? Horse drawn buses, cable trams and steam suburban trains have long since vanished, but your system has shown negligible improvements over their performance. In short, where have you been? Isn't it about time you stopped building earthworks primarily of interest to future archaeologists and started concentrating on the real needs of the metropolis? In short, kick some butt at 600 Collins St, tell the faceless bureaucrats at VicRoads that the 1954 CRB Roads Master Plan is finally off the agenda, and wake up to the real world. Sincerely yours, Ray Peace Ferntree Gully Vic 3156 |
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Open Letter to Steve Bracks & Peter Batchelor
"David Bennetts" wrote in message ... cc Messrs Iemma and Watson. Change Melbourne 2030 to Sydney 2010. Anyone have relevant speeds for Sydney Transport? Regards David Bennetts Sydney 2010 collapsed because of the cost of the Thirroul tunnel. government thought they could build it for between 280million to 500million. smallest offer came back at 1.5 billion. government went **** that. Sydney iirc was 48kph for trains cars were 55kph. been a while since i saw the figures. |
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Open Letter to Steve Bracks & Peter Batchelor
Ray Peace Wrote: In short, kick some butt at 600 Collins St, tell the faceless bureaucrats at VicRoads that the 1954 CRB Roads Master Plan is finally off the agenda, and wake up to the real world. Sincerely yours, Ray Peace Ferntree Gully Vic 3156 Brilliant work Ray! Unfortunately it feels like VicRoads mentality is still thinking akin to the 60's LA highway sprawl... Background: Melbourne 2030 http://tinyurl.com/8u7lk -- cfsmtb |
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Open Letter to Steve Bracks & Peter Batchelor
Ray Peace wrote:
SNIP Average Speed of Melbourne public transport, 1885: Steam suburban train: 30 k/mh Cable tram: 18 k/mh Horse-drawn omnibus: 10 k/mh Average Speed of Melbourne public transport, 2005: Electric suburban train: 37 k/mh Electric tram: 18 k/mh Diesel motor bus 9 k/mh SNIP Ray, The Victorian Government could introduce Japanese style bullet trains capable of 400km/h and you'll find that the average speed won't change markedly (if at all). Regardless of the technology implemented, a vehicle still needs time to accelerate and decelerate to the next stop. Therein lays the problem. A train tram or bus accelerates to less than top speed before it needs to stop again. Then include the stopping time in the calaculation and there's your average speed. The conundrum here is that the Govt. needs to remove stops to decrease travel times. This could also have an adverse effect by increasing loading times at the reduced number of stops - this may be a negligable trade-off. The other option with regard to heavy rail is to duplicate track to allow for passing loops, or a through express service. This would require more land either side of existing rail infrustructure. Considering the layout of the Victorian system, in quite a few places the land isn't available or can't be made available due to the geography of the area. With regard to trams the only options are to reduce the number of stops and reduce the impact vehicular traffic has on trams by segregation. Perhaps lowering the tram lines by 350mm below the road surface and placing physical barriers so that cars/trucks cannot infringe on trams. The bus services are by all accounts ridiculous. When driving to work on Ballarat Rd, I notice that the average distance between stops is less than 250m. A Bus therefore cannot even reach cruising speed and doesn't get out of 3rd gear before it needs to stop again to pick up a sole commuter who couldn't be bothered walking to the next stop where 10 peoiple were standing. This is 'great' for the environment as well because the bus - continually driving like this put's out more polution per km travelled than it would doing 100 km/h down a freeway. Again reducing the number of stops by half would be a step in the right direction. I'm no apologist for any government, but I don't think the Bracks Government has done a bad job as far as tweaking a system who's design faults stem from the fact that it's 100 years old. And unfortuantley that's all they can do is tweak the system. You've done wonderfully at highlighting the problems we all know exist, but you haven't given much in the way of possible solutions. Perhaps if we all came up with some suggestions rather than 'complaints' the faceless bereaucrats would be given far more constuctive projects to work on that in the end could help us as commuters. |
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Open Letter to Steve Bracks & Peter Batchelor
"Ray Peace" wrote in message ... Good Morning People, Some years back, your Government came out with a long term plan entitled `Melbourne 2030', which envisaged, amongst other things, 20 per cent of the city's population using public transport. In the light of what is happening at present, this would appear to be a joke of the most dubious kind. I draw your attention to the following facts: Average Speed of Melbourne public transport, 1885: Steam suburban train: 30 k/mh Cable tram: 18 k/mh Horse-drawn omnibus: 10 k/mh Average Speed of Melbourne public transport, 2005: Electric suburban train: 37 k/mh Electric tram: 18 k/mh Diesel motor bus 9 k/mh Snip Does anyone know the average speed of cars over the Melbourne road network? |
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Open Letter to Steve Bracks & Peter Batchelor
Rhubarb wrote:
Snip Does anyone know the average speed of cars over the Melbourne road network? Well, I guess it would depend on time of day. I drive 28km into town and do that trip in 30 -43 mins. So based on that I average anywhere between 56 & 39 km/h and 20km of that is on the freeway. So it does vary! |
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Open Letter to Steve Bracks & Peter Batchelor
"Prometheus" wrote in message oups.com... Rhubarb wrote: Snip Does anyone know the average speed of cars over the Melbourne road network? Well, I guess it would depend on time of day. Yes, it does very much, and on the actual location/roads involved as well I drive 28km into town and do that trip in 30 -43 mins. So based on that I average anywhere between 56 & 39 km/h and 20km of that is on the freeway. So it does vary! Good for you. I drive 10kms across the suburbs and it takes me anything from 20 - 30 mins. An average of 20 to 30 kmh really makes the bike a quite viable proposition. Now with the higher petrol prices that's just what I'll be doing. Crossing Whitehorse Rd and the rail line with freeway-bound traffic sucks. Cheers Peter |
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Open Letter to Steve Bracks & Peter Batchelor
Back in the 70's Melbourne DID have 20% PT use!!!! They just never increased PT in line with the population PT use has almost doubled in that time. unfortunately our numbers have grown more so... -- flyingdutch |
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Open Letter to Steve Bracks & Peter Batchelor
"Ray Peace" wrote in message
... Good Morning People, Average Speed of Melbourne public transport, 1885: Steam suburban train: 30 k/mh Cable tram: 18 k/mh Horse-drawn omnibus: 10 k/mh Average Speed of Melbourne public transport, 2005: Electric suburban train: 37 k/mh Electric tram: 18 k/mh Diesel motor bus 9 k/mh 'People of Victoria, As Minister of Transport, I can immediately see the answer as displayed in Mr Peace's so kindly supplied statistics - your government is going to introduce a trial to demonstrate that we can significantly speed up bus services, and that trial will commence as soon as we arrange the lease documents for the Fosters draught horses.' -- Tony Bailey |
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