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Old July 27th 14, 11:07 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,aus.bicycle
Tremayne A Higby
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On Fri, 23 May 2014 12:10:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:

More benefits of being visible, at lane center:

A paper from Australia notes that car-bike crashes in roundabouts seem
to occur mostly when cyclists stick to the edge and aren't noticed by
motorists. They recommend that any bike lanes end well before the
roundabout, and that cyclists ride in a very visible position, near the
center of the roundabout. (They're talking about single-lane
roundabouts, I'm sure.)

The abstract link came from a friend in Oz. Full disclosu I haven't
yet read the paper itself.

https://www.onlinepublications.austr...ems/AP-R461-14

In France, we bicycled (and drove) through many, many roundabouts
without problems. Only in Troyes did we see bike lanes painted in the
outer edge of roundabouts. Troyes also had many other hare-brained
"innovative" bike facilities. I'm sure the town was very proud of them.



I'm in different about bikers, but when I see one encroaching on the white line, I will encroach
right back. You're risking my life by being a road hazard. I don't take that lightly. You're not a
motor vehicle, so don't expect to be treated like one. You're road debris in the way.

100% stay out of the way because you don't own the road, nor do you pay any taxes on your cycle to
suggest you have a right to drive on the inside of the white line. You're not doing anyone a favor,
other than yourself, by riding your bike.

Don't expect me to feel that I have to recognize you as anything other than a self entitled ninny.
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Old July 27th 14, 02:27 PM posted to aus.bicycle,uk.rec.cycling
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 07:07:33 -0300, Tremayne A Higby wrote:

On Fri, 23 May 2014 12:10:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:

More benefits of being visible, at lane center:

A paper from Australia notes that car-bike crashes in roundabouts seem
to occur mostly when cyclists stick to the edge and aren't noticed by
motorists. They recommend that any bike lanes end well before the
roundabout, and that cyclists ride in a very visible position, near the
center of the roundabout. (They're talking about single-lane
roundabouts, I'm sure.)

The abstract link came from a friend in Oz. Full disclosu I haven't
yet read the paper itself.

https://www.onlinepublications.austr...ems/AP-R461-14

In France, we bicycled (and drove) through many, many roundabouts
without problems. Only in Troyes did we see bike lanes painted in the
outer edge of roundabouts. Troyes also had many other hare-brained
"innovative" bike facilities. I'm sure the town was very proud of them.



I'm in different about bikers, but when I see one encroaching on the white line, I will encroach
right back. You're risking my life by being a road hazard. I don't take that lightly. You're not a
motor vehicle, so don't expect to be treated like one. You're road debris in the way.

100% stay out of the way because you don't own the road, nor do you pay any taxes on your cycle to
suggest you have a right to drive on the inside of the white line. You're not doing anyone a favor,
other than yourself, by riding your bike.

Don't expect me to feel that I have to recognize you as anything other than a self entitled ninny.



Pillock.
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Old July 27th 14, 05:20 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,aus.bicycle
AMuzi
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Default Taking the lane, roundabout version

On 7/27/2014 5:07 AM, Tremayne A Higby wrote:
On Fri, 23 May 2014 12:10:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:

More benefits of being visible, at lane center:

A paper from Australia notes that car-bike crashes in roundabouts seem
to occur mostly when cyclists stick to the edge and aren't noticed by
motorists. They recommend that any bike lanes end well before the
roundabout, and that cyclists ride in a very visible position, near the
center of the roundabout. (They're talking about single-lane
roundabouts, I'm sure.)

The abstract link came from a friend in Oz. Full disclosu I haven't
yet read the paper itself.

https://www.onlinepublications.austr...ems/AP-R461-14

In France, we bicycled (and drove) through many, many roundabouts
without problems. Only in Troyes did we see bike lanes painted in the
outer edge of roundabouts. Troyes also had many other hare-brained
"innovative" bike facilities. I'm sure the town was very proud of them.



I'm in different about bikers, but when I see one encroaching on the white line, I will encroach
right back. You're risking my life by being a road hazard. I don't take that lightly. You're not a
motor vehicle, so don't expect to be treated like one. You're road debris in the way.

100% stay out of the way because you don't own the road, nor do you pay any taxes on your cycle to
suggest you have a right to drive on the inside of the white line. You're not doing anyone a favor,
other than yourself, by riding your bike.

Don't expect me to feel that I have to recognize you as anything other than a self entitled ninny.



You "encroach right back" while riding your bicycle? I've
done that too, especially for wrong-way riders in my lane
while sporting locked elbows and my icy stare of death.

Doing that to a cyclist while in your car is highly
irresponsible to the point of possible criminality. You
ought to ponder the catastrophic effects of minor errors
before doing that again.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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Old July 27th 14, 06:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,aus.bicycle
Duane[_4_]
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AMuzi wrote:
On 7/27/2014 5:07 AM, Tremayne A Higby wrote:
On Fri, 23 May 2014 12:10:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:

More benefits of being visible, at lane center:

A paper from Australia notes that car-bike crashes in roundabouts seem
to occur mostly when cyclists stick to the edge and aren't noticed by
motorists. They recommend that any bike lanes end well before the
roundabout, and that cyclists ride in a very visible position, near the
center of the roundabout. (They're talking about single-lane
roundabouts, I'm sure.)

The abstract link came from a friend in Oz. Full disclosu I haven't
yet read the paper itself.

https://www.onlinepublications.austr...ems/AP-R461-14

In France, we bicycled (and drove) through many, many roundabouts
without problems. Only in Troyes did we see bike lanes painted in the
outer edge of roundabouts. Troyes also had many other hare-brained
"innovative" bike facilities. I'm sure the town was very proud of them.



I'm in different about bikers, but when I see one encroaching on the
white line, I will encroach
right back. You're risking my life by being a road hazard. I don't take
that lightly. You're not a
motor vehicle, so don't expect to be treated like one. You're road debris in the way.

100% stay out of the way because you don't own the road, nor do you pay
any taxes on your cycle to
suggest you have a right to drive on the inside of the white line.
You're not doing anyone a favor,
other than yourself, by riding your bike.

Don't expect me to feel that I have to recognize you as anything other
than a self entitled ninny.



You "encroach right back" while riding your bicycle? I've done that too,
especially for wrong-way riders in my lane while sporting locked elbows
and my icy stare of death.

Doing that to a cyclist while in your car is highly irresponsible to the
point of possible criminality. You ought to ponder the catastrophic
effects of minor errors before doing that again.



What cracks me up is this idea that if you're on a bike you don't pay
taxes. Even if you only ride a bike and don't own a car - something that
would put you in the minority in North America - you likely still pay
taxes. My property tax pays for municipal roads for example.

Given that this statement comes from someone who thinks it's his right to
run over road users that he thinks don't pay for the privilege I doubt the
he ponders the effects of his minor errors nor much of anything else.
--
duane
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Old July 28th 14, 12:46 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,aus.bicycle
Tim McNamara
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Default Taking the lane, roundabout version

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:10:07 +0000 (UTC), Duane wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
On 7/27/2014 5:07 AM, Tremayne A Higby wrote:
On Fri, 23 May 2014 12:10:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

More benefits of being visible, at lane center:

A paper from Australia notes that car-bike crashes in roundabouts
seem to occur mostly when cyclists stick to the edge and aren't
noticed by motorists. They recommend that any bike lanes end well
before the roundabout, and that cyclists ride in a very visible
position, near the center of the roundabout. (They're talking
about single-lane roundabouts, I'm sure.)

The abstract link came from a friend in Oz. Full disclosu I
haven't yet read the paper itself.

https://www.onlinepublications.austr...ems/AP-R461-14

In France, we bicycled (and drove) through many, many roundabouts
without problems. Only in Troyes did we see bike lanes painted in
the outer edge of roundabouts. Troyes also had many other
hare-brained "innovative" bike facilities. I'm sure the town was
very proud of them.


I'm in different about bikers, but when I see one encroaching on the
white line, I will encroach right back. You're risking my life by
being a road hazard. I don't take that lightly. You're not a motor
vehicle, so don't expect to be treated like one. You're road debris
in the way.

100% stay out of the way because you don't own the road, nor do you
pay any taxes on your cycle to suggest you have a right to drive on
the inside of the white line. You're not doing anyone a favor, other
than yourself, by riding your bike.

Don't expect me to feel that I have to recognize you as anything
other than a self entitled ninny.



You "encroach right back" while riding your bicycle? I've done that
too, especially for wrong-way riders in my lane while sporting locked
elbows and my icy stare of death.

Doing that to a cyclist while in your car is highly irresponsible to
the point of possible criminality. You ought to ponder the
catastrophic effects of minor errors before doing that again.



What cracks me up is this idea that if you're on a bike you don't pay
taxes. Even if you only ride a bike and don't own a car - something
that would put you in the minority in North America - you likely still
pay taxes. My property tax pays for municipal roads for example.

Given that this statement comes from someone who thinks it's his
right to run over road users that he thinks don't pay for the
privilege I doubt the he ponders the effects of his minor errors nor
much of anything else.


Sadly operating a motor vehicle appears to be detrimental to the
intellectual acumen of some.

The tax claim is hilarious. I pay state and federal income taxes, a
portion of which goes to pay for roads. I pay property tax, a portion
of which goes to pay for roads. My wife and I currently own four cars,
paying a variety of taxes associated with those, a portion of which goes
to pay for roads (although a far smaller portion than many seem to
think).

Sometimes I use the roads I pay for in my car, sometimes I use the roads
I pay for on my bike. The idiots who don't understand that can go soak
their heads.
 




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