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Old June 5th 15, 12:46 PM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Rod Speed
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Stuart Longland wrote

Geez, you get wound up like a clock!


Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed projections/fantasys.

On 05/06/15 12:10, Rod Speed wrote:
"Stuart Longland" wrote in message
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On 30/05/15 20:33, Rod Speed wrote:

So you say it includes the bit the cars drive on only?
Who maintains the footpath?


The local council, even with footpaths that don’t go anywhere near any
road.


Doesn't mean they're not part of the road.


There is no road to be part of in that situation, ****wit.

You quite sure you ain't one of those rocket scientist terminal ****wit ?


Err, parse error?


Your sig is sposed to be last with a line with just -- on it in front of it.

What's that supposed to mean? Doesn't read as English to me.


Your problem, as always.

Could you provide evidence where I am "always" wrong?


Yes, every single one of your posts.


You must've looked real hard then.


Nope.

Or you're making sweeping generalisations
based on one or two posts in one thread.


Nope.

Or are we making sweeping generalisations based on one post?


Nope.


Seems like you are.


Then you need to get your seem machinery seen to BAD.

I did a quick search, so not exhaustive,
I discovered the following document:


https://www.bitre.gov.au/publication...les/is_040.pdf


Okay, it's from 2011. So a little old, but let's have a look anyway:


The total amount of funding for road-related expenditure by the
Australian, state, territory and local Governments in 2008–09 was
$15.8 billion (Table 1). This amount includes transfers from the
private sector. Between 2000–01 and 2008–09 total road-related
expenditure increased by an average of 8.57 per cent per year in
nominal terms


So $15.8B spent. Where did that come from?


- Of the $15.6 billion collected in 2008–09 from selected taxes and
charges, $8.7 billion was petroleum products excise.
- State and territory governments raised $3.4 billion from vehicle
registration and licence fees.
- Stamp duty collected on vehicle registration fees raised $2.0
billion.
- Fringe Benefit Tax (FBT) paid on motor vehicles added an extra $1.7
billion. The amount of GST (on motor vehicles purchase, maintenance
and use including fuel consumption) is not yet available but was $4.0
billion in 2004–05. FBT and GST are not included in the total because
no data are available on them for most years.


So $3.4B from $15.8B.


So your original is just plain wrong, as I said.


Not completely.


Yes, completely.

While it's hard to dig up details on how the money gets spent,


Wrong, as always.

my understanding is that the rego costs barely
cover the costs to actually run these departments,


You're wrong, as always.

let alone maintenance costs.


Irrelevant to your original completely stupid claim.

Registration is more about ensuring your vehicle is safe
enough to travel down one of these roads at 40km/hr+.


Wrong, as always.

Otherwise, why have the requirement to get roadworthy certificates?


Separate matter entirely to what how the fee is spent.

That's bugger all, and probably just covers the
costs of running some of these departments.


You're wrong, as always.


As I said, I've went looking,


But are too ****ing stupid to even look in the right place.

couldn't find any detailed expenditure information,


A Jap would at least have the decency to disembowel itself.

Don’t make a mess of the carpet...

however if you happen to know of some, you are
most welcome to contribute it to the discussion.


You are most welcome to go and **** yourself.

More than half of it came from taxing fuel:


Irrelevant to your pig ignorant claim.


Ad hominem will get you nowhere.


That isn't ad hominem, it’s a statement of fact.

guess what, bicycles don't use it.


Some do.


The ones that do are illegal


Wrong, as always.

and aren't technically bicycles, they're mopeds.


Wrong, as always.

Any time I've seen a road being fixed, it's generally
been local council doing it unless it's a major highway


Same is true of the sewers and water supply as well.


Nope,


Yep.

water supply has been privatised;


Wrong, as always.

around here a mob called Urban Utilities look after it.


Your problem, as always.

I haven't looked into the arrangement regarding the sewers.


Your problem, as always.

They are probably a different department of the council.


You might just find that is true of footpaths too, ****wit.

(which I avoid using).


You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
irrelevant. What you do or do not claim to avoid using in spades.


Then why are you spending so much time replying if I'm irrelevant?


I spend no time at all, ****wit.

Clearly I am not. :-)


Wrong, as always.

This document is more up to date:
http://www.budget.qld.gov.au/budget-...-3-2013-14.pdf


Even someone as stupid as you should have notice that Queensland
is only part of the entire country if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.


I didn't say it was the entire country now did I?


No one ever said you did.

It just happens to be the second largest state,


Size is completely irrelevant.

and the largest state on the eastern seaboard.


Also completely irrelevant.

How much did they make from vehicle registration there? Page 14
says less than $700M. It's increasing from year to year because
more cars are on the road, but it's still far short of the expenditure.


Irrelevant to your original stupid pig ignorant claim.


Is it?


Yep.

I could go look for data from NSW, Victoria, Tasmania, NT, WA,SA…


Still wouldn’t substantiate your original completely stupid pig ignorant
claim.

I dare say they'll show a similar trend.


They don’t.

Again, you're welcome to provide your own evidence.


YOU made that original completely stupid pig ignorant claim.

YOU get to provide the evidence that substantiates
your original completely stupid pig ignorant claim.

THAT'S how it works.

So "absolutely none of it" was an exaggeration,


It was in fact just plain wrong, as I said.


but not far from the truth. Most of it seems
to be from sources other than taxation.


Irrelevant to your original stupid pig ignorant claim.


You like that term don't you?


Nope, and it isn't a term, it's a statement of fact.

I've already stated that yes, I did get some of it wrong,


You got ALL of it completely wrong, as always.

but have since found out a bit more of the truth.
Clearly you know something about the topic I
don't, and I invite you to share.


I order you to go and **** yourself, again.

I'm willing to be educated, kindly educate.


More useful to try that with a stone.

More to the point, have you factored in what it would cost
to regulate and manage a registratio system on bicycles?


Just one way of doing what is being discussed.


To what end?


To get some money from fools stupid enough to ride bikes.

It'd probably cost more to regulate than it would raise.


But the alternatives wouldn’t.


Well, one alternative is to "do nothing",
which strangely enough, costs very little.


You'll end up completely blind if you don’t watch out.

I think we need to lose the "I own the road" attitude.


**** all have any such attitude.


Indeed, bugger all do, that we agree on,
but enough that there's a problem.


Nope, no problem at all.

They're as much a problem for cars as they are for bicycles too.


Nope, no problem at all.

I'm sure you've run across them, and they operate all kinds of vehicles.
Bicycles through to semi-trailers and everything in between.


No problem at all.

None of us own the road, it's a public utility and
as members of the public, we all have the right
to use, and responsibility to share, the roads.


Wrong with pedestrians.


Road rules say they have right of way, even on the road.


Wrong, as always.

I avoid the major roads when I can, if I cannot then instead
of getting angry at us, maybe you could join sides with us
and get angry at the people who design these roads.


I don’t get angry at anyone and I actually have enough of a
clue to realise that it makes no sense to spend significant
money on designing roads for the trivial number of people
who are actually stupid enough to ride their bike on them.


So you'd rather be stuck in traffic


Doesn’t ever happen to me.

that's clogged up with cars that take
about 3 times the space of a bicycle?


Which move at the same speed as other
cars, unlike ****wits like you on bikes.

Some nice wide shoulders would benefit both of us:


Not worth the cost.


Not worth making it safer to enter/exit a vehicle?


Its safe enough the way it is.

Not worth having an area where you can
quickly pick up or drop someone off?


I can do that fine now.

There was a study done regarding the main street of
Edinburgh some time back. This was some years ago,
so do forgive me for not having the specifics on hand.


Request denied.

They were experiencing traffic snarls on their four-lane
stretch of road, and were considering widening it.


Instead, after some modelling, they made the outer two most
lanes more or less a drop-off zone. You could stop there for
a minute or two, but no more. The traffic snarls disappeared.


Only because anyone with even half a clue avoided that abortion.

it would benefit people who have a breakdown as it would give
a safe area to be completely off the road and not blocking traffic.


Not worth the cost given that that happens so rarely.


Yep, but buses/taxis/private cars picking up
and dropping off passengers isn't so uncommon.


They can do that fine now.

I wouldn't say breakdowns are rare either, otherwise
the tow truck businesses wouldn't make any income.


Doesn’t happen often enough to warrant the
immense cost of your steaming turd of a proposal.

There seems to be at least one or two incidents on the
road that I hear of if I turn on the radio of an evening.


Doesn’t happen often enough to warrant the
immense cost of your steaming turd of a proposal.

We should be joining forces to lobby the government for a better deal,


Nope, because that isn't worth the immense
cost which we would obviously have to pay for.


Suit yourself.


I always do.

I pay taxes,


So does everyone else.

and would be assisting to fund such projects.


****ing that money against the wall, actually.

I'm not convinced the costs would be "immense";


They are anyway.

we're talking an extra 2.5m of bitumen,


Pity about where that space is going to come from.

and would soon pay for itself with reduced road
congestion leading to shorter commute times.


Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

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  #82  
Old June 5th 15, 08:12 PM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Stuart Longland
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On 05/06/15 21:46, Rod Speed wrote:

You are most welcome to go and **** yourself.


Well, I have news for you.

I've been on this planet for nearly 32 years. I'm not going anywhere.

I've been a regular cyclist since 2008, on roads, and again, I'm not
going anywhere.

I've been a legal road user with my bicycle on the road, this too, isn't
changing.

The cyclist numbers as I look around have been increasing, not
decreasing. The cost of running a car has been going up, and more
people are re-evaluating their need to use cars for transport.

Expect to see more of us on the road.

Your problem, not mine. :-)
  #83  
Old June 6th 15, 01:52 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
F Murtz[_2_]
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Stuart Longland wrote:
On 05/06/15 21:46, Rod Speed wrote:

You are most welcome to go and **** yourself.


Well, I have news for you.

I've been on this planet for nearly 32 years. I'm not going anywhere.

I've been a regular cyclist since 2008, on roads, and again, I'm not
going anywhere.

I've been a legal road user with my bicycle on the road, this too, isn't
changing.

The cyclist numbers as I look around have been increasing, not
decreasing. The cost of running a car has been going up, and more
people are re-evaluating their need to use cars for transport.

Expect to see more of us on the road.



Until or if they bring registration in.



Your problem, not mine. :-)


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Old June 6th 15, 12:25 PM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Rod Speed
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Stuart Longland wrote
Rod Speed wrote


You are most welcome to go and **** yourself.


Well, I have news for you.


Nope.

I've been on this planet for nearly 32 years.


Just another ****wit child.

I'm not going anywhere.


Wrong, as always.

I've been a regular cyclist since 2008,


Just another ****wit child.

on roads,


Just another ****wit child.

and again, I'm not going anywhere.


Wrong, as always.

I've been a legal road user with my bicycle on the road,


Just another ****wit child.

this too, isn't changing.


It will when you get run over, ****wit child.

The cyclist numbers as I look around
have been increasing, not decreasing.


Your problem, as always.

The cost of running a car has been going up,


The cost of everything has been going up, ****wit child.

Its called inflation.

and more people are re-evaluating
their need to use cars for transport.


Must be why congestion keep getting worse
in every single state capital, ****wit child.

Expect to see more of us on the road.


And more of you dying on the roads. Great.
  #85  
Old June 7th 15, 12:46 PM posted to aus.bicycle
news13
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On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 13:39:47 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:


Have you considered that the imposition of bicycle regos would reduce
the number of bikes?


and put more cars on the road, leading to increase road congestion and
slower traffic flows.
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Old June 7th 15, 01:14 PM posted to aus.bicycle
F Murtz[_2_]
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news13 wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 13:39:47 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:


Have you considered that the imposition of bicycle regos would reduce
the number of bikes?


and put more cars on the road, leading to increase road congestion and
slower traffic flows.

I just hope that the Justin smiths and the Duncan Gays do not get their
way on this issue and some more intelligent minds get an input.
Much as some hate the stupid cyclists among the bicycle world,
registration has to be one of the more stupid solutions.
As far as I can ascertain nowhere in the world has it although some are
pressing for it in other countries, so far sense has prevailed,lets hope
we are not the ones to start it.
OOPs apparently there are places that do have it.

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Old June 7th 15, 10:12 PM posted to aus.bicycle
Zebee Johnstone
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In aus.bicycle on Sun, 07 Jun 2015 22:14:55 +1000
F Murtz wrote:
news13 wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 13:39:47 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:


Have you considered that the imposition of bicycle regos would reduce
the number of bikes?


and put more cars on the road, leading to increase road congestion and
slower traffic flows.

I just hope that the Justin smiths and the Duncan Gays do not get their
way on this issue and some more intelligent minds get an input.
Much as some hate the stupid cyclists among the bicycle world,
registration has to be one of the more stupid solutions.
As far as I can ascertain nowhere in the world has it although some are
pressing for it in other countries, so far sense has prevailed,lets hope
we are not the ones to start it.
OOPs apparently there are places that do have it.


Western Australia had it pre war I believe.

Cost more to administer than it brought in.

THe rego thing is one of those politician things: make a splash with a
wild policy that attacks a small segment of society while appealing to
people who aren't thinking about it because they have better things to
do. But will make them think "if only this happens my life will be
better". (Until they think about it for more than second or two and
think with focused thought rather than emotions about how ****ty car
commuting is these days)

It will not be implemented because of expense up front and ongoing,
will **** off the cops who have to work out how old a kid is and
generally have yet more non-core work to do. But Gay will have primed
a few minds with the idea he's someone who likes them and hates people
they hate.

Standard voter manipulation.

THe car commute problem is hard because there are too many people
wanting too few resources at certain times of day. If you increase
the road real estate people who didn't use it before will use it now
and the advtantage disappears. eg the M5 in Sydney which took less
than a year to becomes a carpark.

IN the end the answer has to be to find ways for fewer people to be on
the road at those congested times. Working in different places,
working at different times, using different methods of transport,
those are the only solutions.

Don't spent money registering cyclists, it will do nothing useful.
Instead spend it making motorcycle training free.... If 1 in 5 of the
single occupant cars on the road in peak were replaced by motorcycles
the traffic would flow far better.

Zebee
 




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