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Old March 22nd 14, 06:53 AM posted to aus.bicycle
Zebee Johnstone
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In aus.bicycle on Sat, 22 Mar 2014 02:26:03 +0000 (UTC)
news13 wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 19:32:11 +0000, Zebee Johnstone wrote:

Lord what a bunch of hopeless bloody whingers.


No, just more widely experienced with Sydney's bike paths than you.
Certain areas seem to have different attitudes.


IT doesn't matter what is on the paths.

Complaining that you can't manage your bike and it is someone else's
fault is ridiculous.

Zebee
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Old March 22nd 14, 07:26 AM posted to aus.bicycle
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 06:53:02 +0000, Zebee Johnstone wrote:

In aus.bicycle on Sat, 22 Mar 2014 02:26:03 +0000 (UTC)
news13 wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 19:32:11 +0000, Zebee Johnstone wrote:

Lord what a bunch of hopeless bloody whingers.


No, just more widely experienced with Sydney's bike paths than you.
Certain areas seem to have different attitudes.


IT doesn't matter what is on the paths.

Complaining that you can't manage your bike and it is someone else's
fault is ridiculous.


Sigh, I can manage my bike. What I was pointing out is certain behaviours
that make enjoying the path less so. Perhaps our fairy princess should
get into the real world instead of her lycra kingdom.
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Old March 22nd 14, 09:26 AM posted to aus.bicycle
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news13 wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 06:53:02 +0000, Zebee Johnstone wrote:

In aus.bicycle on Sat, 22 Mar 2014 02:26:03 +0000 (UTC)
news13 wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 19:32:11 +0000, Zebee Johnstone wrote:

Lord what a bunch of hopeless bloody whingers.

No, just more widely experienced with Sydney's bike paths than you.
Certain areas seem to have different attitudes.


IT doesn't matter what is on the paths.

Complaining that you can't manage your bike and it is someone else's
fault is ridiculous.


Sigh, I can manage my bike. What I was pointing out is certain behaviours
that make enjoying the path less so. Perhaps our fairy princess should
get into the real world instead of her lycra kingdom.

Mr news13, it seems that you do not frequent aus.bicycles on
aus.motorcycles very often,otherwise you would not make such uninformed
statements.
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Old March 22nd 14, 12:03 PM posted to aus.bicycle
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 20:26:58 +1100, F Murtz wrote:

Mr news13, it seems that you do not frequent aus.bicycles on
aus.motorcycles very often,

Oh no, do I have to be like Geoff?


otherwise you would not make such uninformed
statements.


Which statements are you talking about?


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Old March 22nd 14, 04:33 PM posted to aus.bicycle
F Murtz[_2_]
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news13 wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 20:26:58 +1100, F Murtz wrote:

Mr news13, it seems that you do not frequent aus.bicycles on
aus.motorcycles very often,

Oh no, do I have to be like Geoff?


otherwise you would not make such uninformed
statements.


Which statements are you talking about?


Statements made about people about which you know nothing.
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Old March 23rd 14, 09:49 AM posted to aus.bicycle
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 03:33:49 +1100, F Murtz wrote:


Statements made about people about which you know nothing.


are you talking about the people on the bike paths?
Or someone else?

Hint; The dropping of "Geoff" was a big hint, but I go way way back for
aus.bicycles.



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Old March 24th 14, 12:35 AM posted to aus.bicycle
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news13 writes:

On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:13:36 +1100, Trent W. Buck wrote:


And because a bike/ped collision is safer for everyone than a bike/car
collision, and (situation dependent) less likely besides.


How many shared bicycle/ped paths have you ridden.
Ring a bell or sound a horns or hout to advise you're passing and
instant bike stand as they jump in front of you.


I commute on one (& clearly signed for that purpose).
The pedestrians on it invariably respond by instantly hugging the wall;
I suppose they've all had near misses in the past.

Footpaths along the shopping strips of main roads are another matter.
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Old March 24th 14, 12:43 AM posted to aus.bicycle
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Stuart Longland writes:

40kg of bicycle + 90kg of rider doesn't stop *that* quickly.


Wow, and I thought my steel bike was heavy at 22kg.

So ringing a bell was perfectly adequate. One only ever used the
handlebars for hanging on or steering -- to operate the brake you
backpedalled. That meant you had a hand free to muck around with a


Which is why I have backpedal brakes.

It also helps for signalling -- something I used to be ****ed off at the
lycra brigade for never doing, until I realized that if they tried to
signal their turns, they'd probably fall off.

Also makes it much easier to get pizzas back home,
since they don't like going sideways into the panniers.
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Old April 2nd 14, 12:40 AM posted to aus.bicycle
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On 20/03/14 20:18, Stuart Longland wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 20:29:02 +1100, F Murtz wrote:

Was this where an alternative bicycle track exists ?


I'm not familiar with the area but some cyclists will still choose the
road when a track exists as the road is usually better maintained and
free from debris.

Particularly racing bikes, as they run high pressure tyres and are more
susceptible to punctures.

(I stick to the footpath unless circumstances require it though, as a
courtesy to drivers.)


You are correct. There are also often pedestrian obstacles on shared
paths, and those pedestrians often come with unrestrained and
unpredictable pets and children, making it hazardous for all 2 wheeled
vehicle operators and pedestrians alike.

Most often I ride at least 5-6 times walking speed.

Cars are only about 2-3 times faster than me.

As my riding speed is more comparable to motor vehicle speed, I feel it
is sensible and practicable to ride on the road with other road vehicles.

BTW, as many of us commute relatively long distances on roads, we ride
"racing" bikes as commuter bikes because they offer the best solution.

Riding on the road in Melbourne on my "racing" bike, I get maybe one
puncture per year, but I avoid wet weather riding when possible, as this
is the most dangerous condition and leads to most punctures.

--
JS
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Old April 2nd 14, 12:44 AM posted to aus.bicycle
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On 21/03/14 10:13, Trent W. Buck wrote:
Stuart Longland writes:

On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 20:29:02 +1100, F Murtz wrote:

Was this where an alternative bicycle track exists ?


I'm not familiar with the area but some cyclists will still choose the
road when a track exists as the road is usually better maintained and
free from debris.

Particularly racing bikes, as they run high pressure tyres and are
more susceptible to punctures.

(I stick to the footpath unless circumstances require it though, as a
courtesy to drivers.)


And because a bike/ped collision is safer for everyone than a bike/car
collision, and (situation dependent) less likely besides.


Though I've bounced off a few cars over the last 25+years of riding,
I've only ever damaged myself landing on the road.

I know of several folks who have been seriously injured while riding on
bicycle tracks, including a fatality.

I don't think bike paths are as safe as you believe.

--
JS
 




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