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Old May 14th 15, 06:28 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
F Murtz[_2_]
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Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.

I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think his
name is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider registration, he
seems manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an opposite
view to his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone
conclusion that we will have rider registration by the end of the year.
He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.
He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".
His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated fluoro
jackets with number on the back.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.
It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.
He has a bee in his bonnet about insurance associated with license,which
would in my opinion eventually make the license fee expensive which is
the case of all mandated insurance since the beginning of time.
He would be better served to get government paid cover for the minute
cases of third party claims against bicycles.(every so often a bicycle
knocks some one down injuring and even killing where the victim has no
cover and can not identify the culprit)
It is not worth registration just for revenge against the rider,it is
better to cover the third party through special govt.paid insurance and
would be much cheaper than an other licensing monolith.
It would mean that I would never ride again as it is rare that I do and
would not be worth it (I sometimes take train with bicycle to the city
or places like Gosford for use at the other end)
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Old May 14th 15, 07:03 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Peter Jason
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Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.

On Thu, 14 May 2015 15:28:49 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think his
name is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider registration, he
seems manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an opposite
view to his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone
conclusion that we will have rider registration by the end of the year.


Long long lonnnnnnnngg overdue!


He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.
He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".
His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated fluoro
jackets with number on the back.


Good idea. Ot tattooed on the back of the neck.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.


Onwards and upwards, brave Oz!


It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.



We poor suffering motorists live in hope!!!!!


He has a bee in his bonnet about insurance associated with license,which
would in my opinion eventually make the license fee expensive which is
the case of all mandated insurance since the beginning of time.


Anyone who uses the roads must pay insurance. Why not the pestiferous
cyclists.?


He would be better served to get government paid cover for the minute
cases of third party claims against bicycles. (every so often a bicycle
knocks some one down injuring and even killing where the victim has no
cover and can not identify the culprit)


Ah, the good-old age of entitlement,

It is not worth registration just for revenge against the rider,it is
better to cover the third party through special govt.paid insurance and
would be much cheaper than an other licensing monolith.
It would mean that I would never ride again as it is rare that I do and
would not be worth it (I sometimes take train with bicycle to the city
or places like Gosford for use at the other end)


We ratepayers wonder who's paying for the bicycle strips with the
pretty green anti-slip coatings. And why the endless road narrowings
to accomodate these traffic pests, and the bike tracks, and all the
attendant maintenance. Yes the cyclists should pay plenty for their
licences just as dog and cat owners do.
Further, ban them form streets between 6.00am & 12.55pm. The roads
are safer then too.

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Old May 14th 15, 07:09 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Pelican
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Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.



"F Murtz" wrote in message
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I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think his name
is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider registration, he seems
manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an opposite view to
his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone conclusion that we
will have rider registration by the end of the year.
He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.
He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".
His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated fluoro jackets
with number on the back.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.
It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.
He has a bee in his bonnet about insurance associated with license,which
would in my opinion eventually make the license fee expensive which is the
case of all mandated insurance since the beginning of time.
He would be better served to get government paid cover for the minute
cases of third party claims against bicycles.(every so often a bicycle
knocks some one down injuring and even killing where the victim has no
cover and can not identify the culprit)
It is not worth registration just for revenge against the rider,it is
better to cover the third party through special govt.paid insurance and
would be much cheaper than an other licensing monolith.
It would mean that I would never ride again as it is rare that I do and
would not be worth it (I sometimes take train with bicycle to the city or
places like Gosford for use at the other end)


There are quite a few proposals floating around. For example, this one -
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226738618261.
It's a democracy, so feel free to make your views heard. Write to the
Minister, and have your say. For what it's worth, I don't like your idea of
a government scheme. I would much prefer a private scheme by the insurance
industry, if possible, backed by law making it compulsory for bike riders,
or bikes, to be registered in a way that makes it self-funding. The
simpler, the better.

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Old May 14th 15, 07:43 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Zebee Johnstone
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Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.

In aus.bicycle on Thu, 14 May 2015 16:09:38 +1000
Pelican wrote:
It's a democracy, so feel free to make your views heard. Write to the
Minister, and have your say. For what it's worth, I don't like your idea of
a government scheme. I would much prefer a private scheme by the insurance
industry, if possible, backed by law making it compulsory for bike riders,
or bikes, to be registered in a way that makes it self-funding. The
simpler, the better.


Is car registration self-funding does anyone know?

What about driver licencing? after all this is closer to that than it
is to rego.

At what age does a rider need to ahve a paid licence?

Should there be high penalties for hitting a licenced cyclist given
they would now have a "right to the road" many think they do not now
have?

Zebee

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Old May 14th 15, 07:44 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Rod Speed
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Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.

F Murtz wrote

I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think his name
is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider registration,


Nope, never listen to any of that, ever.

The most I do that is anything like that is to listen to
radio national podcasts when walking for exercise.

he seems manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an opposite
view to his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone conclusion
that we will have rider registration by the end of the year.
He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.


Its more likely Gay is driving it and he is commenting on it.

He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".


Wota terminal ****wit.

His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated fluoro jackets
with number on the back.


Even for kids ? Raving mad.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.
It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.


I doubt it.

He has a bee in his bonnet about insurance associated with license,
which would in my opinion eventually make the license fee expensive which
is the case of all mandated insurance since the beginning of time.


Dunno, apparently some personal liability insurance does cover it already.

He would be better served to get government paid cover for the minute
cases of third party claims against bicycles.


Why should the govt be paying for that ?

Maybe you mean run by the govt with cyclists paying for the cover.

Can't see that being viable with kids.

(every so often a bicycle knocks some one down injuring and even killing
where the victim has no cover and can not identify the culprit)


It is not worth registration just for revenge against the rider,


Its not for revenge, its so you have cover if you get run over.

Corse Medicare does cover that unless you get killed.

it is better to cover the third party through special govt.paid insurance
and would be much cheaper than an other licensing monolith.


That suggests you don't mean a govt operation running the insurance
that is paid for by the cyclist. The govt already pays for injurys thru
Medicare and I don't see the point in the govt paying for those that
get killed by bike riders, there are so few of those its not worth doing
anything about when the relos can take a civil action in that case.

It would mean that I would never ride again as it is rare that I do


I don't ride at all.

and would not be worth it (I sometimes take train with bicycle to the city
or places like Gosford for use at the other end)


I don't ever do anything like that. Don't use trains at all either.

I do get a few loons ride past when walking in the scrub at
the back of town on some pretty rough bush tracks and fire
trails but never have any problem with them, I generally
notice them coming and they are sensible if I don't.

Get a few on motorbikes, but far fewer than ordinary
bikes. The ones on motorbikes would almost all be
completely illegal, no insurance or rego at all.

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Old May 14th 15, 07:48 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Rod Speed
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Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.



"Peter Jason" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 May 2015 15:28:49 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think his
name is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider registration, he
seems manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an opposite
view to his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone
conclusion that we will have rider registration by the end of the year.


Long long lonnnnnnnngg overdue!


He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.
He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".
His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated fluoro
jackets with number on the back.


Good idea. Ot tattooed on the back of the neck.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.


Onwards and upwards, brave Oz!


It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.



We poor suffering motorists live in hope!!!!!


He has a bee in his bonnet about insurance associated with license,which
would in my opinion eventually make the license fee expensive which is
the case of all mandated insurance since the beginning of time.


Anyone who uses the roads must pay insurance.


Nope, not the ones that walk on them.

Why not the pestiferous cyclists.?


Because they don't injure people enough to matter.

He would be better served to get government paid cover for the minute
cases of third party claims against bicycles. (every so often a bicycle
knocks some one down injuring and even killing where the victim has no
cover and can not identify the culprit)


Ah, the good-old age of entitlement,

It is not worth registration just for revenge against the rider,it is
better to cover the third party through special govt.paid insurance and
would be much cheaper than an other licensing monolith.
It would mean that I would never ride again as it is rare that I do and
would not be worth it (I sometimes take train with bicycle to the city
or places like Gosford for use at the other end)


We ratepayers wonder who's paying for the bicycle
strips with the pretty green anti-slip coatings.


None of ours have anything like that. There
are a few dedicated concrete bike tracks.

And why the endless road narrowings
to accomodate these traffic pests,


We don't have any of those.

and the bike tracks, and all the attendant maintenance.


There is no maintenance of the bike tracks.

Yes the cyclists should pay plenty for their
licences just as dog and cat owners do.


Cat owners don't.

Further, ban them form streets between 6.00am
& 12.55pm. The roads are safer then too.



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Old May 14th 15, 08:12 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Jeßus[_3_]
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Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.

On Thu, 14 May 2015 15:28:49 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think his
name is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider registration, he
seems manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an opposite
view to his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone
conclusion that we will have rider registration by the end of the year.
He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.
He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".
His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated fluoro
jackets with number on the back.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.
It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.


You might find a lot of people celebrating if that comes to pass.
I know I certainly would be. I recently fitted cameras to all my
vehicles, specifically because of lycra wearig cyclists who think
theyre entitled to do whatever they please on country roads.

The next rider who makes me choose between hitting him/her, or another
innocent vehicle, or the roadside verge, is going to have a very bad
day.

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Old May 14th 15, 08:14 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Pelican
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"Zebee Johnstone" wrote in message
...
In aus.bicycle on Thu, 14 May 2015 16:09:38 +1000
Pelican wrote:
It's a democracy, so feel free to make your views heard. Write to the
Minister, and have your say. For what it's worth, I don't like your idea
of
a government scheme. I would much prefer a private scheme by the
insurance
industry, if possible, backed by law making it compulsory for bike
riders,
or bikes, to be registered in a way that makes it self-funding. The
simpler, the better.


Is car registration self-funding does anyone know?


An interesting question (as are the others you raise), but not relevant to
the topic, which is not nearly so complicated.

What about driver licencing? after all this is closer to that than it
is to rego.

At what age does a rider need to ahve a paid licence?

Should there be high penalties for hitting a licenced cyclist given
they would now have a "right to the road" many think they do not now
have?

Zebee

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Old May 14th 15, 08:17 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Pelican
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"Jeßus" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 May 2015 15:28:49 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think his
name is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider registration, he
seems manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an opposite
view to his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone
conclusion that we will have rider registration by the end of the year.
He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.
He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".
His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated fluoro
jackets with number on the back.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.
It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.


You might find a lot of people celebrating if that comes to pass.
I know I certainly would be. I recently fitted cameras to all my
vehicles, specifically because of lycra wearig cyclists who think
theyre entitled to do whatever they please on country roads.

The next rider who makes me choose between hitting him/her, or another
innocent vehicle, or the roadside verge, is going to have a very bad
day.


Even if every rider was a suicidal ****wit, you should not be in a situation
of making such a choice.

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Old May 14th 15, 08:21 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
F Murtz[_2_]
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Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.

Pelican wrote:


"F Murtz" wrote in message
...
I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think his
name is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider registration, he
seems manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an opposite
view to his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone
conclusion that we will have rider registration by the end of the year.
He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.
He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".
His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated fluoro
jackets with number on the back.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.
It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.
He has a bee in his bonnet about insurance associated with
license,which would in my opinion eventually make the license fee
expensive which is the case of all mandated insurance since the
beginning of time.
He would be better served to get government paid cover for the minute
cases of third party claims against bicycles.(every so often a bicycle
knocks some one down injuring and even killing where the victim has no
cover and can not identify the culprit)
It is not worth registration just for revenge against the rider,it is
better to cover the third party through special govt.paid insurance
and would be much cheaper than an other licensing monolith.
It would mean that I would never ride again as it is rare that I do
and would not be worth it (I sometimes take train with bicycle to the
city or places like Gosford for use at the other end)


There are quite a few proposals floating around. For example, this one
-
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226738618261.
It's a democracy, so feel free to make your views heard. Write to the
Minister, and have your say. For what it's worth, I don't like your
idea of a government scheme. I would much prefer a private scheme by
the insurance industry, if possible, backed by law making it compulsory
for bike riders, or bikes, to be registered in a way that makes it
self-funding. The simpler, the better.

No such animal as the simpler the better once it starts
The small cost of third party claims paid by government would be nothing
against the overall cost of compulsory licensing and insurance for all
bike riders, a complete new industry with the insurers licking their
lips at the new windfall, which would increase as it takes hold, the
same as it did for all mandated insurance cover, compulsory auto third
party compulsory building insurance etc, loads more govt staff to run
licensing etc.
 




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