Mavic in receivership

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 9:59:40 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, May 11, 2020 at 7:08:23 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/11/2020 12:53 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 3:33:16 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Russell, what I was saying is that Mavic's business is not gone. The Kyserium is one of the most popular wheels sold today.

You are a bit confused. You meant to say Ksyrium are one of the most "seen" wheelsets on midlevel and lower new bicycles. Seen and sold are not the same thing in this instance. Mavic Ksyrium wheels come or came on many bicycles sold by official bicycle shop retailers. They came/come on the big mainstream bicycle company bikes. Mavic sells them at pennies on the dollar to these big bike makers. They spec them on the new bikes sold at retail bike shops. They are really a method of advertising for Mavic. Not a profit center. They get, keep the Mavic name on people's minds by selling Mavic Ksyrium wheels on new bikes. But no one thinks Mavic is any good at making wheels anymore. So when crazy bicyclists go to spending thousands and thousands of dollars on absurd expensive bike parts to upgrade their bicycle, they do not even think of Mavic. They think Zipp, Enve, Campagnolo, Lightweight, Fulcrum.



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Note Fulcrum is Campagnolo

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Yes. I am assuming, (incorrectly?), that everyone knows Fulcrum is Campagnolo's other brand. Created I assume to get in on the wheel building business. After market, upgraded, wheels are a big business for bicycles. And Fulcrum has Shimano/SRAM cassette bodies on their wheels. As well as the proper Campagnolo hub body. Whereas Campagnolo cannot be bought with the evil Shimano hub body. Evil Shimano bike riders cannot buy the beloved Campagnolo brand wheels for their inferior bikes. They must make do with the off brand Fulcrum wheels with Shimano hub bodies. Yes, I know Campagnolo and Fulcrum wheels are 100% identical except for label.

I'm still trying to understand why no one seems to Mavic was the top builder of wheelsets and they let it slip both though not progressing with the art or the salesmanship.

At one time Chevrolet was the top brand. Why aren't they now? Why do all three major American brands main selling products are pickup trucks?

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 5:48:44 PM UTC+1, Andrew Chaplin wrote:
On Friday, 8 May 2020 20:05:45 UTC-4, Mark J. wrote:
Didn't see that one coming.

Mark J.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mav...tery-takeover/

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/mavic-...in-france.html

"Mavic's Social and Economic Committee is demanding accounts from Salomon (a skiing brand under the umbrella of Amer Sports, and a co-resident of Mavic’s Annecy factory)[…]."

In case you were in need of more irony in your diet, "amer" is French for "bitter."
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Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO

What catches my eye is "Mavic's Social and Economic Committee is demanding...." This sounds a good deal like a bolshie union wrecking the business by restrictive practices, and then blaming the management. When I lived in Australia, we'd call the imported British union officials, who were a special breed of obstructionists and saboteurs, "pommie wreckers" -- an appellation they earned daily.

Andre Jute
If the Pope weren't such a Commie, he would beatify Margaret Thatcher, who in Britain broke the power of the unions to keep the people who they claimed to speak for oppressed and poor unto the generations. But, then again, the Catholic Church is in the business of keeping the poor in their place.

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 2:03:30 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 5:48:44 PM UTC+1, Andrew Chaplin wrote:
On Friday, 8 May 2020 20:05:45 UTC-4, Mark J. wrote:
Didn't see that one coming.

Mark J.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mav...tery-takeover/

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/mavic-...in-france.html

"Mavic's Social and Economic Committee is demanding accounts from Salomon (a skiing brand under the umbrella of Amer Sports, and a co-resident of Mavic’s Annecy factory)[…]."

In case you were in need of more irony in your diet, "amer" is French for "bitter."
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO

What catches my eye is "Mavic's Social and Economic Committee is demanding..." This sounds a good deal like a bolshie union wrecking the business by restrictive practices, and then blaming the management. When I lived in Australia, we'd call the imported British union officials, who were a special breed of obstructionists and saboteurs, "pommie wreckers" -- an appellation they earned daily.

Or maybe the Bolsheviks just want to get paid. You do demand pay for your work, no?

"Receiver" has a specific meaning here in the various US states, but who knows what receivership means in France -- or what powers the unions have to compel the appointment of a receiver. Maybe the CBA requires the appointment of a receiver if it looks like the employer is approaching insolvency. Maybe its like an involuntary bankruptcy. Who knows. I'm sure there are rules for all of this -- it's not Lord of the Bolshevik Flies, unless France has some unusual rules.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 10:40:13 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 2:03:30 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 5:48:44 PM UTC+1, Andrew Chaplin wrote:
On Friday, 8 May 2020 20:05:45 UTC-4, Mark J. wrote:
Didn't see that one coming.

Mark J.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mav...tery-takeover/

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/mavic-...in-france.html

"Mavic's Social and Economic Committee is demanding accounts from Salomon (a skiing brand under the umbrella of Amer Sports, and a co-resident of Mavic’s Annecy factory)[…]."

In case you were in need of more irony in your diet, "amer" is French for "bitter."
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO

What catches my eye is "Mavic's Social and Economic Committee is demanding..." This sounds a good deal like a bolshie union wrecking the business by restrictive practices, and then blaming the management. When I lived in Australia, we'd call the imported British union officials, who were a special breed of obstructionists and saboteurs, "pommie wreckers" -- an appellation they earned daily.

Or maybe the Bolsheviks just want to get paid.

And here I thought you guys work for the common good...

You do demand pay for your work, no?

I do nothing as disruptive of my personal relations as demanding money. I have lawyers and agents to do that sort of thing. Anyway, I'g generally paid in advance of taking the cover off my keyboard, so the occasion rarely arises.

"Receiver" has a specific meaning here in the various US states, but who knows what receivership means in France -- or what powers the unions have to compel the appointment of a receiver. Maybe the CBA requires the appointment of a receiver if it looks like the employer is approaching insolvency. Maybe its like an involuntary bankruptcy. Who knows. I'm sure there are rules for all of this -- it's not Lord of the Bolshevik Flies, unless France has some unusual rules.

The roots of French law is the Napoleonic Code, which is not at all what an attorney trained in American law, derived from English common law, would expect. (Among other oddities, the magistrate is prosecutor, judge and jury rolled into one -- before him you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent. Don't confuse it with the Italian system, which is merely corrupt. Anywhere in the States an individual, if rich enough to afford a platoon of lawyers, has more rights than anywhere in the EU.) The Napoleonic Code sits even more awkwardly with European Union regulations, which have the force of laws, and in some cases French socialist governments have given workers rights that are well in advance of Europan Union regulations, laws that in England were struck down by Mrs Thatcher's governments because they caused so much poverty by restrictive practices and union bullying of limp managements. French law is a nest of of wasps to which sensible people give a wide berth.

Ande Jute
In France a law-abiding citizen -- well, except for speeding.

On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 4:22:47 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 10:40:13 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 2:03:30 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 5:48:44 PM UTC+1, Andrew Chaplin wrote:
On Friday, 8 May 2020 20:05:45 UTC-4, Mark J. wrote:
Didn't see that one coming.

Mark J.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mav...tery-takeover/

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/mavic-...in-france.html

"Mavic's Social and Economic Committee is demanding accounts from Salomon (a skiing brand under the umbrella of Amer Sports, and a co-resident of Mavic’s Annecy factory)[…]."

In case you were in need of more irony in your diet, "amer" is French for "bitter."
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO

What catches my eye is "Mavic's Social and Economic Committee is demanding..." This sounds a good deal like a bolshie union wrecking the business by restrictive practices, and then blaming the management. When I lived in Australia, we'd call the imported British union officials, who were a special breed of obstructionists and saboteurs, "pommie wreckers" -- an appellation they earned daily.

Or maybe the Bolsheviks just want to get paid.

And here I thought you guys work for the common good...

You do demand pay for your work, no?

I do nothing as disruptive of my personal relations as demanding money. I have lawyers and agents to do that sort of thing. Anyway, I'g generally paid in advance of taking the cover off my keyboard, so the occasion rarely arises.

"Receiver" has a specific meaning here in the various US states, but who knows what receivership means in France -- or what powers the unions have to compel the appointment of a receiver. Maybe the CBA requires the appointment of a receiver if it looks like the employer is approaching insolvency.. Maybe its like an involuntary bankruptcy. Who knows. I'm sure there are rules for all of this -- it's not Lord of the Bolshevik Flies, unless France has some unusual rules.

The roots of French law is the Napoleonic Code, which is not at all what an attorney trained in American law, derived from English common law, would expect. (Among other oddities, the magistrate is prosecutor, judge and jury rolled into one -- before him you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent. Don't confuse it with the Italian system, which is merely corrupt. Anywhere in the States an individual, if rich enough to afford a platoon of lawyers, has more rights than anywhere in the EU.) The Napoleonic Code sits even more awkwardly with European Union regulations, which have the force of laws, and in some cases French socialist governments have given workers rights that are well in advance of Europan Union regulations, laws that in England were struck down by Mrs Thatcher's governments because they caused so much poverty by restrictive practices and union bullying of limp managements. French law is a nest of of wasps to which sensible people give a wide berth.

Ande Jute
In France a law-abiding citizen -- well, except for speeding.

Louisiana follows a civil code or the "Napoleonic Code." At the end of the day, a code is just a statute -- like the bazillions of statutes in all the US states, although it feels more sepia-toned Ken Burns-ish if you call Louisiana statutes (or some portion of them) the "Napoleonic Code." There is probably little left from Napoleon's day.

Another dopey thing about code (versus common law) jurisdictions is that the codes get a gloss just like the common law. It's like stone soup, but with the common law there is no stone. There is a stone in a code state or country, but the soup my taste exactly the same.

Yaweh only knows what the French labor code says, and I'm not going to bother looking. I have enough headaches with US/Oregon labor law.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 1:59:37 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:

Yaweh only knows what the French labor code says, and I'm not going to bother looking. I have enough headaches with US/Oregon labor law.

Smartest thing you said all week. -- AJ

On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 7:22:31 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 1:59:37 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:

Yaweh only knows what the French labor code says, and I'm not going to bother looking. I have enough headaches with US/Oregon labor law.

Smartest thing you said all week. -- AJ

You mean the ONLY smart thing he said all week.

On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:18:30 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 7:22:31 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 1:59:37 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:

Yaweh only knows what the French labor code says, and I'm not going to bother looking. I have enough headaches with US/Oregon labor law.

Smartest thing you said all week. -- AJ

You mean the ONLY smart thing he said all week.

I was trying hard to be nice. -- AJ

On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 8:27:54 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:18:30 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 7:22:31 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 1:59:37 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:

Yaweh only knows what the French labor code says, and I'm not going to bother looking. I have enough headaches with US/Oregon labor law.

Smartest thing you said all week. -- AJ

You mean the ONLY smart thing he said all week.

I was trying hard to be nice. -- AJ

Being nice to Jay is like trying to be nice to a stink bug.

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 3:16:59 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 8:27:54 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:18:30 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 7:22:31 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 1:59:37 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:

Yaweh only knows what the French labor code says, and I'm not going to bother looking. I have enough headaches with US/Oregon labor law.

Smartest thing you said all week. -- AJ

You mean the ONLY smart thing he said all week.

I was trying hard to be nice. -- AJ

Being nice to Jay is like trying to be nice to a stink bug.

The desperate misbehaviour of Democrats is caused by President Trump camping out rent-free in their heads.

If by some fraud Biden should win, they will be insufferable.

Andre Jute
Soothsayer