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March 27th 08, 09:07 PM
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Wrong-way brake levers
Why do so many of the brake levers on these French porteur bikes face
forward instead of backward? Style? Internal cable routing? Some mechanical advantage? Is it just a French thing? They look like a different design, not just a backwards mount. Page with lots of them: http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierracing/velos.html Examples: http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra..._grandluxe.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...alparisien.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...1950_shift.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...inger_1950.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...inger_1960.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/bikes/ima...motobecane.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...orteur_052.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...orteur_056.jpg Cheers, Carl Fogel 
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March 27th 08, 10:58 PM
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Wrong-way brake levers
On Mar 27, 5:50*pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel
wrote: On 3/27/2008 2:07 PM wrote: Why do so many of the brake levers on these French porteur bikes face forward instead of backward? [snip] Page with lots of them: *http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierracing/velos.html Cool bikes. Probably total clunkers to ride, though. My 19 y/o son likes older bikes. Has an old Raleigh, a-and a "record player," too. Ah! 'e would love to 'ave a French porteur bikes! The styling! The mudguards and chain guards and swept back 'andlebars with big bullet-shaped chrome headlights! Of course, being 19, 'e 'as no monee!(shrug), so it cannot be. He and a friend bought a Flying Pigeon bike, made in China. Thing fell apart in a couple months. Heap of rusted pipes and galvanized hardware. Spokes as big around as 12 penny nails. -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" I'm with your son. Broke, digging the styling and loving those fenders. The swept-back bars don't do it for me, but the chrome fenders molded to the bike and tire size were darn cool!! My townie has planet bike freddie fenders. I had to cut them up to get the front to fit, so I figure it's got another year left (I've had it 2). They're also ok for 26"-700c tires, which just doesn't look good no matter what size it ends up on. I'd love a set of nice aluminum fenders made for my bike and that one tire size. I've actually considering having them fabricated, but my machine shop fabricating favor pool is a little shallow at the moment with some favors I've pulled in the last year or so with the motorcycle. I need another boating/fishing/kayaking/riding season to re-tilt the favor scale my way. I'm also concerned the partially rusted and wholly abused frame would quit right as I got the fenders.
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March 27th 08, 11:13 PM
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Wrong-way brake levers
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:09:01 -0600, A Muzi
wrote: wrote: Why do so many of the brake levers on these French porteur bikes face forward instead of backward? Style? Internal cable routing? Some mechanical advantage? Is it just a French thing? They look like a different design, not just a backwards mount. Page with lots of them: http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierracing/velos.html Examples: http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra..._grandluxe.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...alparisien.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...1950_shift.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...inger_1950.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...inger_1960.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/bikes/ima...motobecane.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...orteur_052.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...orteur_056.jpg Fashion. It's a current product: http://www.e-cycle.co.jp/goods/detai...36&genre=1 Dear Andrew, Thanks--so they're fashionable brake levers found on French utility bikes, still available from Japan--that's just plain weird. There are examples in "The Data Book" from France in 1950 and 1951 on pages 115 and 149. Cheers, Carl Fogel
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March 27th 08, 11:15 PM
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Wrong-way brake levers
On 3/27/2008 2:07 PM wrote:
Why do so many of the brake levers on these French porteur bikes face forward instead of backward? [snip] Page with lots of them: http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierracing/velos.html Mike Rocket J Squirrel wrote: Cool bikes. Probably total clunkers to ride, though. My 19 y/o son likes older bikes. Has an old Raleigh, a-and a "record player," too. Ah! 'e would love to 'ave a French porteur bikes! The styling! The mudguards and chain guards and swept back 'andlebars with big bullet-shaped chrome headlights! Of course, being 19, 'e 'as no monee!(shrug), so it cannot be. He and a friend bought a Flying Pigeon bike, made in China. Thing fell apart in a couple months. Heap of rusted pipes and galvanized hardware. Spokes as big around as 12 penny nails. Yep, Roadsters are an acquired taste. Like so many things, many love 'em and many hate 'em. YMMV -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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March 27th 08, 11:16 PM
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Wrong-way brake levers
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:50:35 -0700, Mike Rocket J Squirrel
wrote: On 3/27/2008 2:07 PM wrote: Why do so many of the brake levers on these French porteur bikes face forward instead of backward? [snip] Page with lots of them: http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierracing/velos.html Cool bikes. Probably total clunkers to ride, though. My 19 y/o son likes older bikes. Has an old Raleigh, a-and a "record player," too. Ah! 'e would love to 'ave a French porteur bikes! The styling! The mudguards and chain guards and swept back 'andlebars with big bullet-shaped chrome headlights! Of course, being 19, 'e 'as no monee!(shrug), so it cannot be. He and a friend bought a Flying Pigeon bike, made in China. Thing fell apart in a couple months. Heap of rusted pipes and galvanized hardware. Spokes as big around as 12 penny nails. Dear Mike, Curious, I looked into Flying Pigeon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Pigeon Ominously, clicking on the first external link produces a virus warning from AVG. Cheers, Carl Fogel
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March 27th 08, 11:36 PM
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Why do so many of the brake levers on these French porteur bikes face forward instead of backward? Style? Internal cable routing? Some mechanical advantage? Is it just a French thing? They look like a different design, not just a backwards mount. Page with lots of them: http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierracing/velos.html Examples: http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra..._grandluxe.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...alparisien.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...1950_shift.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...inger_1950.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...inger_1960.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/bikes/ima...motobecane.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...orteur_052.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...orteur_056.jpg A Muzi wrote: Fashion. It's a current product: http://www.e-cycle.co.jp/goods/detai...36&genre=1 wrote: Thanks--so they're fashionable brake levers found on French utility bikes, still available from Japan--that's just plain weird. There are examples in "The Data Book" from France in 1950 and 1951 on pages 115 and 149. The trendy youth among us ride fixies with no brakes. Once they wise up, the second-trendiest style is a time trial handlebar with one of those levers out at the end. Triathlon aero bars accept them as well. They've been in constant production since forever by various makers; the French models you note, Japanese schoolboy bikes of the sixties and '70s, triathlon '80s to present, urban fixies, etc. Here are yet other variants: http://www.jtekengineering.com/Jtek_Brake_Levers.htm http://www.slowtwitch.com/images/mak...makeover11.jpg -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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March 28th 08, 12:20 AM
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Why do so many of the brake levers on these French porteur bikes face forward instead of backward? Style? Internal cable routing? Some mechanical advantage? Is it just a French thing? They look like a different design, not just a backwards mount. Page with lots of them: http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierracing/velos.html Examples: http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra..._grandluxe.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...alparisien.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...1950_shift.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...inger_1950.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...inger_1960.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/bikes/ima...motobecane.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...orteur_052.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...orteur_056.jpg A Muzi wrote: Fashion. It's a current product: http://www.e-cycle.co.jp/goods/detai...36&genre=1 wrote: Thanks--so they're fashionable brake levers found on French utility bikes, still available from Japan--that's just plain weird. There are examples in "The Data Book" from France in 1950 and 1951 on pages 115 and 149. This bike just rolled in my door: http://www.yellowjersey.org/daily.html -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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March 28th 08, 02:12 AM
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:20:46 -0600, A Muzi
wrote: wrote: Why do so many of the brake levers on these French porteur bikes face forward instead of backward? Style? Internal cable routing? Some mechanical advantage? Is it just a French thing? They look like a different design, not just a backwards mount. Page with lots of them: http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierracing/velos.html Examples: http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra..._grandluxe.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...alparisien.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...1950_shift.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...inger_1950.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...inger_1960.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/bikes/ima...motobecane.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...orteur_052.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...orteur_056.jpg A Muzi wrote: Fashion. It's a current product: http://www.e-cycle.co.jp/goods/detai...36&genre=1 wrote: Thanks--so they're fashionable brake levers found on French utility bikes, still available from Japan--that's just plain weird. There are examples in "The Data Book" from France in 1950 and 1951 on pages 115 and 149. This bike just rolled in my door: http://www.yellowjersey.org/daily.html Dear Andrew, Yes, "rolled" seems like the right word. Sell him some pedals. Cheers, Carl Fogel
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March 28th 08, 03:46 AM
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Why do so many of the brake levers on these French porteur bikes face forward instead of backward? Style? Internal cable routing? Some mechanical advantage? Is it just a French thing? They look like a different design, not just a backwards mount. Page with lots of them: http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierracing/velos.html Examples: http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra..._grandluxe.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...alparisien.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...1950_shift.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...inger_1950.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...inger_1960.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/bikes/ima...motobecane.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...orteur_052.jpg http://www.blackbirdsf.org/courierra...orteur_056.jpg A Muzi wrote: Fashion. It's a current product: http://www.e-cycle.co.jp/goods/detai...36&genre=1 wrote: Thanks--so they're fashionable brake levers found on French utility bikes, still available from Japan--that's just plain weird. There are examples in "The Data Book" from France in 1950 and 1951 on pages 115 and 149. A Muzi wrote: This bike just rolled in my door: http://www.yellowjersey.org/daily.html wrote: Yes, "rolled" seems like the right word. Sell him some pedals. Done. Gear cable too. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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