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May Need to Institute a Photography Ban on My Commute Bicycle
On Sunday, March 9, 2014 11:33:23 AM UTC-7, SMS wrote:
On 3/9/2014 10:36 AM, jbeattie wrote: People want photos of my commuter, but only after leaving their initials or "wash me" in the dirt. http://tinyurl.com/kc5a8s9 O.K., I saw maybe a hundred cyclists yesterday, many of whom had little flashers -- but then again, it was overcast and started raining mid-morning. Many, if not most, were also in yellow-green-fluorescent-vomit colored jackets, vests, etc. A lot of them also had mirrors. Yes, I got trapped in a Portland Wheelmen ride -- a virtual dork vortex.. Heh, we got trapped in something like that on Shallow Alto's Bryant Street Bike Boulevard. Argh, those clothes are enough to irritate motorists. That color is conspicuous -- more so than flashers in daytime, even when there is cloud cover. I am just really tired of it. I do own a jacket that color, but its not waterproof and doesn't get a lot of use this time of year. -- Jay Beattie. |
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May Need to Institute a Photography Ban on My Commute Bicycle
YEAH THAT'S THE PROBLEM....
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May Need to Institute a Photography Ban on My Commute Bicycle
Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, March 9, 2014 1:48:10 PM UTC-4, Duane wrote: jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, March 9, 2014 5:11:26 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 21:33:05 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Saturday, March 8, 2014 8:48:47 PM UTC-5, sms wrote: ... more of the "guerrilla marketing" he brags about on his website. And I guessed what it was from the thread topic, before I even saw who had posted it. - Frank Krygowski Aw Frank, you're just jealous that nobody wants to photograph your bicycle :-) Think of it. Folks clustering around; people with gigantic camera lenses pushing and shoving to be in the front of the crowd; blokes squirming between the spectators trying to see what is going on; fights breaking out; the arrival of the riot squad; arrests; cameras impounded; cries of pain, screams of anguish. To photograph a Chinese made bicycle light :-( People want photos of my commuter, but only after leaving their initials or "wash me" in the dirt. http://tinyurl.com/kc5a8s9 O.K., I saw maybe a hundred cyclists yesterday, many of whom had little flashers -- but then again, it was overcast and started raining mid-morning. Many, if not most, were also in yellow-green-fluorescent-vomit colored jackets, vests, etc. A lot of them also had mirrors. Yes, I got trapped in a Portland Wheelmen ride -- a virtual dork vortex. I was riding with a couple of friends on the same "route" (out along the Clackamas River). When we pulled by various pockets of Wheelmen riders, they would fall in behind us like so many ducklings -- no greeting, no nothing. Most would drop off after a while, but we ended up in the middle of nowhere with three or four stronger riders who said nothing and who would drop back anytime it became apparent we wanted them to pull through. It was freakish. Anyway, we stopped briefly, and these guys stopped with us -- apparently because they thought we were leading the ride. I let them know we were not leading any ride (except our own), which freaked them out because they did not know where they were. One guy wanted to know where a certain road was, and I told him I didn't know . . . because I didn't. I wanted to say "get the f*** away from me." For all I know, they could still be circling the woods in Clackamas County. I don't care if people draft me if there is a little "hey, how are you" etc., and they trade off. Getting followed by a line of silent zombies who refuse to pull through is just too weird. Unfortunately bicycles and weirdness are not mutual exclusive. I've had people fall behind and draft me on my commute home. Nearly always into the wind. But they typically say thanks or something. Maybe these Wheelmen are the twits that we hear about that don't know what a door zone is or not to ride in blind spots. -- duane I never darft a stranger. I'll only draft someone whom I ridden with and whom I kn ow has good riding habits. Drzfting an unknown Fred who then slows suddenly or swerves can be very detrimental to the health of oneself and/or their bicycle. Cheers Same here but I can't stop Freds from drafting me. As long as they're polite I don't mind much. But Jay's guys were off the wall. -- duane |
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May Need to Institute a Photography Ban on My Commute Bicycle
On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 08:26:29 -0700, sms
wrote: On 3/8/2014 7:07 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 17:48:47 -0800, sms wrote: I always get comments and questions about my lighting but now people are asking if they can photograph my bicycle so they can remember how to duplicate some of the stuff on there. Print a handbill featuring a photograph of your machine and hand them out. Include sources, prices, links, and construction details around the periphery of the photo. On the back, provide a price list and ordering info for things you are selling or representing. Charge 25 cents to cover the printing costs or $1 for an autographed copy. A business card with your URL on it would probably suffice, but you can't easily charge for that. Whatever you do, don't sign a photo copyright release. Despite r.b.t.'s resident village idiot's continued insistence to the contrary, I don't sell or represent any of the stuff that I mention on rec.bicycles.tech.. Last week there was an Intel photo shoot going on at Tech Shop San Jose and the crew wanted me to sign a release in case I was in their video, but I refused, explaining that I no longer give out autographs for free and I was concerned that they would try to sell the copy of my signature for thousands of dollars. Well there you go. No photo release, no including in the video, no discovery by a studio, no fame and glory as a movie star. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Sunday, March 9, 2014 7:29:17 PM UTC-4, Duane wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Sunday, March 9, 2014 1:48:10 PM UTC-4, Duane wrote: jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, March 9, 2014 5:11:26 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 21:33:05 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Saturday, March 8, 2014 8:48:47 PM UTC-5, sms wrote: ... more of the "guerrilla marketing" he brags about on his website. And I guessed what it was from the thread topic, before I even saw who had posted it. - Frank Krygowski Aw Frank, you're just jealous that nobody wants to photograph your bicycle :-) Think of it. Folks clustering around; people with gigantic camera lenses pushing and shoving to be in the front of the crowd; blokes squirming between the spectators trying to see what is going on; fights breaking out; the arrival of the riot squad; arrests; cameras impounded; cries of pain, screams of anguish. To photograph a Chinese made bicycle light :-( People want photos of my commuter, but only after leaving their initials or "wash me" in the dirt. http://tinyurl.com/kc5a8s9 O.K., I saw maybe a hundred cyclists yesterday, many of whom had little flashers -- but then again, it was overcast and started raining mid-morning. Many, if not most, were also in yellow-green-fluorescent-vomit colored jackets, vests, etc. A lot of them also had mirrors. Yes, I got trapped in a Portland Wheelmen ride -- a virtual dork vortex. I was riding with a couple of friends on the same "route" (out along the Clackamas River). When we pulled by various pockets of Wheelmen riders, they would fall in behind us like so many ducklings -- no greeting, no nothing. Most would drop off after a while, but we ended up in the middle of nowhere with three or four stronger riders who said nothing and who would drop back anytime it became apparent we wanted them to pull through. It was freakish. Anyway, we stopped briefly, and these guys stopped with us -- apparently because they thought we were leading the ride. I let them know we were not leading any ride (except our own), which freaked them out because they did not know where they were. One guy wanted to know where a certain road was, and I told him I didn't know . . . because I didn't. I wanted to say "get the f*** away from me." For all I know, they could still be circling the woods in Clackamas County. I don't care if people draft me if there is a little "hey, how are you" etc., and they trade off. Getting followed by a line of silent zombies who refuse to pull through is just too weird. Unfortunately bicycles and weirdness are not mutual exclusive. I've had people fall behind and draft me on my commute home. Nearly always into the wind. But they typically say thanks or something. Maybe these Wheelmen are the twits that we hear about that don't know what a door zone is or not to ride in blind spots. -- duane I never darft a stranger. I'll only draft someone whom I ridden with and whom I kn ow has good riding habits. Drzfting an unknown Fred who then slows suddenly or swerves can be very detrimental to the health of oneself and/or their bicycle. Cheers Same here but I can't stop Freds from drafting me. As long as they're polite I don't mind much. But Jay's guys were off the wall. -- duane I don't mind be drafted by someone I don't know unless they're so close they're lapping wheels. That can be scary. Cheers |
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May Need to Institute a Photography Ban on My Commute Bicycle
On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 08:26:29 -0700, sms
wrote: On 3/8/2014 7:07 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 17:48:47 -0800, sms wrote: I always get comments and questions about my lighting but now people are asking if they can photograph my bicycle so they can remember how to duplicate some of the stuff on there. Print a handbill featuring a photograph of your machine and hand them out. Include sources, prices, links, and construction details around the periphery of the photo. On the back, provide a price list and ordering info for things you are selling or representing. Charge 25 cents to cover the printing costs or $1 for an autographed copy. A business card with your URL on it would probably suffice, but you can't easily charge for that. Whatever you do, don't sign a photo copyright release. Despite r.b.t.'s resident village idiot's continued insistence to the contrary, I don't sell or represent any of the stuff that I mention on rec.bicycles.tech.. Well, if you can't get paid to endorse a product, perhaps you can get paid to not criticize it. Whatever works. The problem is that even if you are not selling or representing products, your postings and web site make it appear that you are doing so. You might want to have a disinterested party take a look at both to determine if there is a problem. Last week there was an Intel photo shoot going on at Tech Shop San Jose and the crew wanted me to sign a release in case I was in their video, but I refused, explaining that I no longer give out autographs for free and I was concerned that they would try to sell the copy of my signature for thousands of dollars. Ummm... the photo release was for photos of your bicycle, not of yourself. Actually, I was serious. You should carry around photo handbills, business cards, and collect 25 cents for them. The purpose of the handbills and business cards are obvious, but the 25 cents requires some explanation. The idea is to do something that will make the interested party remember you. Without the 25 cent charge, you are on the same level as any political hack passing out literature for their election or for their cause. Nobody will remember you. Nobody remembers anything that's free. However, if you charge for the photo and information, you will certainly be remembered. I've done similar things, with acceptable results, so I know it works. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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May Need to Institute a Photography Ban on My Commute Bicycle
AE6KS -
I've done similar things, with acceptable results, so I know it works. LIKE WHAT ? |
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May Need to Institute a Photography Ban on My Commute Bicycle
On 3/9/2014 5:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
The problem is that even if you are not selling or representing products, your postings and web site make it appear that you are doing so. You might want to have a disinterested party take a look at both to determine if there is a problem. The web sites explicitly state that they are purely informational and that I don't sell any of the items listed. Our RVI is well aware of this but he just likes to be smarmy. Whatever. This is Usenet. The best anyone can do is to filter out the off-topic political stuff as well as the annoying problem posters. |
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May Need to Institute a Photography Ban on My Commute Bicycle
On Sunday, March 9, 2014 10:26:58 PM UTC-4, sms wrote:
The web sites explicitly state that they are purely informational and that I don't sell any of the items listed. Does this mean that you've removed the statements that were on there for years, the one bragging about engaging in "guerrilla marketing" to the bicycling community, and the one asking something like "if you decide to buy this junk, please begin by clicking here so I can get my commission"? (That's not a precise quote, but it's close enough.) I pointed those statements out within the past few months. Several others verified that they were indeed on your websites, and gave you serious negative feedback. Did the negative feedback hurt your "guerrilla marketing"? So much so that you've now hidden your motives more thoroughly? - Frank Krygowski |
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May Need to Institute a Photography Ban on My Commute Bicycle
On Sunday, March 9, 2014 1:36:13 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
Yes, I got trapped in a Portland Wheelmen ride -- a virtual dork vortex. I was riding with a couple of friends on the same "route" (out along the Clackamas River). When we pulled by various pockets of Wheelmen riders, they would fall in behind us like so many ducklings -- no greeting, no nothing. Most would drop off after a while, but we ended up in the middle of nowhere with three or four stronger riders who said nothing and who would drop back anytime it became apparent we wanted them to pull through. It was freakish. I guess that's a hazard of riding in a place where cycling is so popular. Plus, perhaps, riding using the usual :uniform" where everyone wears the same style shorts, same style jerseys (but with perhaps different "sponsors") and of course the same style hat. If it had been a tweed ride, they'd have known you weren't part of the group. As it was, it sounds like you were indistinguishable from the group, and the group was large enough that members didn't know each other. Anyway, we stopped briefly, and these guys stopped with us -- apparently because they thought we were leading the ride. I let them know we were not leading any ride (except our own), which freaked them out because they did not know where they were. One guy wanted to know where a certain road was, and I told him I didn't know . . . because I didn't. I wanted to say "get the f*** away from me." For all I know, they could still be circling the woods in Clackamas County. That points out a downside of a club ride: Since a rider doesn't have to do the navigating, he doesn't necessarily know where he is. I enjoy the conversation and sociability of club rides, even (or especially) small ones.. But it means that once I'm back home, I may not be able to reconstruct the route so I could do it again on my own. And if I had to leave the group partway through the ride, I might require some time with a good map (or a GPS) to tell me where I am. Those guys had the same problem, in spades, because the guy they thought was their "leader" was just another cyclist. It was probably a learning experience for them! I don't care if people draft me if there is a little "hey, how are you" etc., and they trade off. Getting followed by a line of silent zombies who refuse to pull through is just too weird. FWIW, it's not just club riders. We had the same thing happen to us years ago, riding through Oxford, England (IIRC), Some young guy on a utility 3 speed hung on our wheel for miles into a headwind. I tried talking to him, but he refused to respond. That made it more weird. - Frank Krygowski |
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