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Old December 12th 14, 03:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Per Lou Holtman:
We have a lot af those narrow roads:



Often used by farmers with big tractors towing even wider machines. You
have to be very 'humble'as a cyclist.


In Germany, the area around Limburg is cris-crossed with "roads" like
that. You can go all day and never ride on a real road with high-speed
traffic. And there are always parallel real roads so nobody drives a
car on them unless it's for extremely local use. IMHO they make it
cyclist's dream.
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Old December 12th 14, 04:02 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Rolf Mantel
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Am 12.12.2014 15:25, schrieb (PeteCresswell):
Per Lou Holtman:
We have a lot af those narrow roads:



Often used by farmers with big tractors towing even wider machines. You
have to be very 'humble'as a cyclist.


In Germany, the area around Limburg is cris-crossed with "roads" like
that. You can go all day and never ride on a real road with high-speed
traffic. And there are always parallel real roads so nobody drives a
car on them unless it's for extremely local use. IMHO they make it
cyclist's dream.


Most of the shouthern German states are criss-crossed with farm roads
like that, usually motorized non-farming traffic is banned. The
problems are

1) Typically, the roads are laid out in a grid with 90 degree bends
where you have to slow down to 15 mph

2) Most of the time, you need to cross all 'real roads' at inconvenient
places (exchanging the danger of being hit from behind by the danger of
crossing major roads without support)

3) Each community decides separately which farm roads have tarmac or
concrete and which are dirt roads so you need good local knowledge to
find a meaningful route

4) with some roads going along the valley, the others at right angle
take the steepest route possible across the hills (sometimes in
combination with 3, the route along the valley bottom suddenly turning
into a mud track).

I happen to have a perfect track on my route to work, bypassing two
small towns by only crossing one major road; until 5 years ago this
route was interrupted by a 500m mud stretch.

On leasure cycle trips with the family I plan ahead to ensure a decent
route, on 'random' leasure trips alone I prefer to stick to real roads
most of the time.

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Old December 12th 14, 06:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Lou Holtman[_7_]
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Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 12.12.2014 15:25, schrieb (PeteCresswell):
Per Lou Holtman:
We have a lot af those narrow roads:



Often used by farmers with big tractors towing even wider machines. You
have to be very 'humble'as a cyclist.


In Germany, the area around Limburg is cris-crossed with "roads" like
that. You can go all day and never ride on a real road with high-speed
traffic. And there are always parallel real roads so nobody drives a
car on them unless it's for extremely local use. IMHO they make it
cyclist's dream.


Most of the shouthern German states are criss-crossed with farm roads
like that, usually motorized non-farming traffic is banned. The problems are

1) Typically, the roads are laid out in a grid with 90 degree bends where
you have to slow down to 15 mph

2) Most of the time, you need to cross all 'real roads' at inconvenient
places (exchanging the danger of being hit from behind by the danger of
crossing major roads without support)

3) Each community decides separately which farm roads have tarmac or
concrete and which are dirt roads so you need good local knowledge to
find a meaningful route

4) with some roads going along the valley, the others at right angle take
the steepest route possible across the hills (sometimes in combination
with 3, the route along the valley bottom suddenly turning into a mud track).

I happen to have a perfect track on my route to work, bypassing two small
towns by only crossing one major road; until 5 years ago this route was
interrupted by a 500m mud stretch.

On leasure cycle trips with the family I plan ahead to ensure a decent
route, on 'random' leasure trips alone I prefer to stick to real roads most of the time.


I often ride on these small roads in Germany. Besides that this part of
Germany has only minor hills and no mountains I can confirm what you are
saying. The small roads in The Netherlands, only a couple of kilometers to
the west have much better and consitant pavement. That is why a lot of our
German neighbours come here for leisure trips.

--
Lou
 




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