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"Australia ‘world’s worst place for cyclists’, says Danish rider who’s circled the globe "
On 8/12/2014 9:26 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 16:06:51 +1100, James wrote: It's hard to imagine. I would have thought there were worse places, but there you go. http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/australia-worlds-worst-place-for-cyclists-says-danish-rider-whos-circled-the-globe/story-fnndib5x-1227148325250 He seems to be pretty specific that the bad place is "Sidney". I was in Perth a few years ago and saw a number of people cycling to work - white shirt and necktie - and traffic seemed to give them a share of the road. He's probably in Guayaquil right now telling the hombre from El Universo that Ecuador is'World's worst place for cyclists' |
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"Australia ‘world’s worst place for cyclists’, says Danish rider who’s circled the globe "
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:28:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 12/8/2014 10:22 PM, Joy Beeson wrote: ... No problems with motorists; even on the street with the "bike lane", they leave me four feet when overtaking. But this is a small town; they may know that I'm Steve's crazy aunt. I think that can really help a regular rider. After years of commuting by bike, I guessed that something like 75% of the motorists I saw had encountered my before. I imagine that instead thinking I was "one of those weird dudes from the bicycle tribe," they eventually started thinking "Oh, there's that guy on the bike again." (And it may have helped that my bike commuting triggered two prominent interviews by the newspaper, and one by a local TV station.) And since the motorists never saw me blowing stop signs or traffic lights, etc. they had no real justification for hostility. But all that is a guess, of course. I'm fairly well convinced that the attitude toward/treatment of cyclists is influenced greatly by the number of cyclists on the road. In places where it is common to see a cyclist the attitude seems to be, "Oh! another bicycle", while in locations where bicycles are rarely seen it might be, "Damn! Another fool blocking traffic". In fact in Singapore if you go out to the Jalan Besar - Lavender Street venue, or any of the housing areas, where bicycles are fairly common, no one seems to be a bit perturbed. If you go down into the financial district, where bicycles are not commonly seen, the attitude seems much different, a sort of "you don't belong here". -- Cheers, John B. |
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"Australia �world�s worst place for cyclists�, says Danish rider who�s circled the globe "
On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:28:20 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:28:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/8/2014 10:22 PM, Joy Beeson wrote: ... No problems with motorists; even on the street with the "bike lane", they leave me four feet when overtaking. But this is a small town; they may know that I'm Steve's crazy aunt. I think that can really help a regular rider. After years of commuting by bike, I guessed that something like 75% of the motorists I saw had encountered my before. I imagine that instead thinking I was "one of those weird dudes from the bicycle tribe," they eventually started thinking "Oh, there's that guy on the bike again." (And it may have helped that my bike commuting triggered two prominent interviews by the newspaper, and one by a local TV station.) And since the motorists never saw me blowing stop signs or traffic lights, etc. they had no real justification for hostility. But all that is a guess, of course. I'm fairly well convinced that the attitude toward/treatment of cyclists is influenced greatly by the number of cyclists on the road. In places where it is common to see a cyclist the attitude seems to be, "Oh! another bicycle", while in locations where bicycles are rarely seen it might be, "Damn! Another fool blocking traffic". In fact in Singapore if you go out to the Jalan Besar - Lavender Street venue, or any of the housing areas, where bicycles are fairly common, no one seems to be a bit perturbed. If you go down into the financial district, where bicycles are not commonly seen, the attitude seems much different, a sort of "you don't belong here". -- Cheers, John B. rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 10%.....mobilize 10% of the population in support of public beheading for spiting on a sidewalk and urine. Maybe 15% for violence given our natural tolerances A rationalization for the last U elections where an unknown segment did not turn out but the 10% recently seen causing world chaos did. so as in CHP ( cal Highway patrol ? ) 10% and off with your head.... |
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"Australia ‘world’s worst place for cyclists’, says Danish rider who’s circled the globe "
Per John B. Slocomb:
I'm fairly well convinced that the attitude toward/treatment of cyclists is influenced greatly by the number of cyclists on the road. +1 from Southeastern Pennsylvania USA. And to attitude, I would add "Expectations"... if drivers do not expect to see a cyclist... -- Pete Cresswell |
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"Australia ‘world’s worst place for cyclists’, says Danish rider who’s circled the globe "
On 12/10/2014 10:47 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per John B. Slocomb: I'm fairly well convinced that the attitude toward/treatment of cyclists is influenced greatly by the number of cyclists on the road. +1 from Southeastern Pennsylvania USA. And to attitude, I would add "Expectations"... if drivers do not expect to see a cyclist... Yeah, same here in Montreal. This doesn't mean that you don't encounter idiots at all but the frequency is a lot less. |
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"Australia ‘world’s worst place for cyclists’, says Danish rider who’s circled the globe "
On 12/10/2014 10:47 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per John B. Slocomb: I'm fairly well convinced that the attitude toward/treatment of cyclists is influenced greatly by the number of cyclists on the road. +1 from Southeastern Pennsylvania USA. And to attitude, I would add "Expectations"... if drivers do not expect to see a cyclist... In our area, I frequently see yellow bumper stickers and yard signs saying "Look Out for Motorcycles." I don't know the source, i.e. whether they come from PennDOT or ODOT or a motorcycle advocacy group. But they're amazingly common. I'd like to see some similar campaign regarding bicyclists, with perhaps the added message that we _do_ have a right to the road. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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"Australia 'world's worst place for cyclists', says Danish riderwho's circled the globe "
On Wednesday, December 10, 2014 6:04:10 PM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:
In our area, I frequently see yellow bumper stickers and yard signs saying "Look Out for Motorcycles." [snip] I'd like to see some similar campaign regarding bicyclists, with perhaps the added message that we _do_ have a right to the road. Now this is why you should never be permitted to be a "spokesman for bicycles", Franki-boy. The message "Look out for Cyclists" already includes the axiomatic expectation that they have a right to the road. Your further message would add no benefit that the simpler message doesn't confer, would get people's backs up, and would very likely have the opposite effect to that intended and endanger the lives of cyclists when the obstructive minority of motons react to your lack of tact and common sense. Andre Jute Boss psychologist |
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"Australia ‘world’s worst place for cyclists’, says Danish rider who’s circled the globe "
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:47:01 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote: Per John B. Slocomb: I'm fairly well convinced that the attitude toward/treatment of cyclists is influenced greatly by the number of cyclists on the road. +1 from Southeastern Pennsylvania USA. And to attitude, I would add "Expectations"... if drivers do not expect to see a cyclist... Well, there is that too. I expect that if a motorist were to come over a rise and be confronted with a 20 mule team hauling a 36 ton load they would probably be a little befuddled :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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"Australia ‘world’s worst place for cyclists’, says Danish rider who’s circled the globe "
Per John B. Slocomb:
Well, there is that too. I expect that if a motorist were to come over a rise and be confronted with a 20 mule team hauling a 36 ton load they would probably be a little befuddled :-) Welcome to Amish country. -- Pete Cresswell |
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"Australia 'world's worst place for cyclists', says Danish riderwho's circled the globe "
On 11/12/14 10:19, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, December 10, 2014 6:04:10 PM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote: In our area, I frequently see yellow bumper stickers and yard signs saying "Look Out for Motorcycles." [snip] I'd like to see some similar campaign regarding bicyclists, with perhaps the added message that we _do_ have a right to the road. Now this is why you should never be permitted to be a "spokesman for bicycles", Franki-boy. The message "Look out for Cyclists" already includes the axiomatic expectation that they have a right to the road. Your further message would add no benefit that the simpler message doesn't confer, would get people's backs up, and would very likely have the opposite effect to that intended and endanger the lives of cyclists when the obstructive minority of motons react to your lack of tact and common sense. Andre Jute Boss psychologist We have an org called Crime Stoppers, that is basically a call centre for reporting what you think is a crime, and the org funnels the report to the correct area of law enforcement - hopefully. In a popular area for cycling, where roads are narrow and bogans in utes cause us worry, I recently proposed that signs telling cyclists to ride single file should be replaced by signs that read "Cyclists report incidents of road rage to Crime Stoppers on 1800.....". My intention is to put the bogan arse holes that assault us on notice, and perhaps start collecting data from cyclists as to the extent of the problem. Most often, cyclists getting abused from motorists is like the beaten wife - just another black eye. System Normal. All ****ed Up. No point reporting 'cause police can't or wont do anything. Authorities don't know the extent of the problem. Very few of them ride bikes. What do you think, Boss psychologist? Any other suggestions? -- JS |
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