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Reduced sidewalk riding fine & cycle paths
On Wed, 12 May 2004 18:39:04 -0700, LioNiNoiL_a t_NetscapE_D 0 T_NeT
wrote: A mukluk wearing troll wants to know: Do you ride here? I was riding there twenty years ago, when your mukluk was still on the seal. So was I. BOth in deepest suburbia and downtown. I went away to other parts of the country for eleven years, and then came back. Congestion and driver's manners and habits had changed a great deal in the interval. It's a giant pinball game out there. Sometimes I'm up for playing (Queen Street is fuuuuunnnnn) and sometimes I'm not. Then, the Humber River Trail, that runs by my front door, looks pretty good. Shirley Hicks Toronto, Ontario |
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Reduced sidewalk riding fine & cycle paths
A mukluk wearing troll wrote in message . ..
On these sections, I soemtimes ride on the sidewalk. It's just safer. I'd rather not bounce a hundred metres down the road. Pedestrian traffic is very light. But pedestrians are not the only safety consideration with riding on the sidewalk. Cars do not expect a vehicle going at a bicycle speed to be on the sidewalk, so you are completely outside of their radar. Driveways, plaza entrances, and intersections - unless you are going to come to a stop or slow down to walking speed at each and every one of them, you are in greater danger of getting hit. In fact in the Toronto cycling study I believe 30% of all cyclists hit were riding on the sidewalk. See http://www.toronto.ca/transportation...icle/index.htm |
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"At City Hall, a volunteer committee of 20 activist citizens views every
issue through the mud-spattered lens of an oppressed cyclist. Their job is to develop policy and advise city staff and elected officials on cycling matters. Last month, the committee virtually ensured that city council will vote to slash the fine for sidewalk cycling to $50 from $90. The rationale: The roads are getting too dangerous. Is it only me who finds this logic strange? Instead of making the roads safer, they reduce the fine for behaviour that makes them even more dangerous. Sounds like some people were promoted beyond their Peter-limit. |
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Is this stuff about dangerous roads even true? What is the city? How
do they know? I've seen reports of research in Canada that indicates that the kind of people who like to ride on the sidewalk are indeed more accident prone than others when riding on the road, but they are still safer on the road than on the sidewalk. Jeremy Parker "Dr Engelbert Buxbaum" wrote in message ... "At City Hall, a volunteer committee of 20 activist citizens views every issue through the mud-spattered lens of an oppressed cyclist. Their job is to develop policy and advise city staff and elected officials on cycling matters. Last month, the committee virtually ensured that city council will vote to slash the fine for sidewalk cycling to $50 from $90. The rationale: The roads are getting too dangerous. Is it only me who finds this logic strange? Instead of making the roads safer, they reduce the fine for behaviour that makes them even more dangerous. Sounds like some people were promoted beyond their Peter-limit. |
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 19:49:15 +0200, Dr Engelbert Buxbaum
wrote: "At City Hall, a volunteer committee of 20 activist citizens views every issue through the mud-spattered lens of an oppressed cyclist. Their job is to develop policy and advise city staff and elected officials on cycling matters. Last month, the committee virtually ensured that city council will vote to slash the fine for sidewalk cycling to $50 from $90. The rationale: The roads are getting too dangerous. Jan Wong writes in a sardonic style. You have to be a regular reader of the Globe and Mail or her columns to know that. It doesn't translate well to Usenet. Is it only me who finds this logic strange? Instead of making the roads safer, they reduce the fine for behaviour that makes them even more dangerous. Ummm, have you had the downtown Toronto riding experience? It makes sense in the local context, screwy as it may seem. Shirley Hicks Toronto, Ontario |
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 21:47:35 +0100, "Jeremy Parker"
wrote: Is this stuff about dangerous roads even true? What is the city? Toronto. How do they know? This study, http://www.toronto.ca/transportation...index.htmwhich was posted in reponse to one of my earlier responses. There is one pattern of accidents occuring downtown, and a different one out in the suburbs. The suburban ones involve more bicycles on sidewalks both kids and seniors, the downtown ones, more door incidents with 20 - 45 yr old riders. I've seen reports of research in Canada that indicates that the kind of people who like to ride on the sidewalk are indeed more accident prone than others when riding on the road, but they are still safer on the road than on the sidewalk. It depends where you are riding. I'm safer on the road in downtown Toronto than I am negotiating the 2 km stretch on either side of the Queensway/427 intersection out in Etobicoke. There, I will take the sidewalk, thank you very much. I try not to ride through there, but some times, you just have to. Shirley Hicks Toronto, Ontario |
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"Jeremy Parker" writes:
Is this stuff about dangerous roads even true? What is the city? How do they know? I've seen reports of research in Canada that indicates that the kind of people who like to ride on the sidewalk are indeed more accident prone than others when riding on the road, but they are still safer on the road than on the sidewalk. One study, done in the town I live in, showed that the accident rate for riding on a sidewalk was nearly identical to riding on the road provided you road in the same direction as traffic. Riding on the sidewalk against the flow of traffic is what is really risky, and the accident rate was several times higher for this than riding on the roadway in the direction of traffic. The study controlled for a variety of factors, but not the speed of the cyclist. Informal observations indicate that the sidewalk cyclists usually are far slower than the ones on the adjacent roadway in the town where the study was done. Aside from the direction of travel, it seems that people are making reasonable decisions about where to ride. All the previous studies that showed an increased risk for sidewalk cycling did not control for the direction of travel, as far as I know. Bill -- My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB |
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