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I miss Jobst
He was the last of the "scientists" on rbt. Never had an MA-2 but I
sure have had good luck with Open Pros for the last 8 years. I have 4 sets of them and they have been as bomb-proof as can be expected for 32 spoke wheels. Of course, I started on boutique wheels, so when I found my way to Open Pros they seemed like heaven compared to what I had before. I'm not a wheel guy, so I don't want to screw with them, and the OP's seemed like the perfect wheel for me. I'm sure there were other OP like wheels out there, but once I found something that works I stopped looking. I did have a couple sets of MA-3's that were not so good, as I had some cracking at the spoke holes, so those were kind of crappy, a little heavy and not durable. |
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I miss Jobst
I heard JB bought a Moulton
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On Apr 10, 12:23*pm, Cicero Venatio wrote:
He was the last of the "scientists" on rbt. *Never had an MA-2 but I sure have had good luck with Open Pros for the last 8 years. *I have 4 sets of them and they have been as bomb-proof as can be expected for 32 spoke wheels. *Of course, I started on boutique wheels, so when I found my way to Open Pros they seemed like heaven compared to what I had before. *I'm not a wheel guy, so I don't want to screw with them, and the OP's seemed like the perfect wheel for me. *I'm sure there were other OP like wheels out there, but once I found something that works I stopped looking. *I did have a couple sets of MA-3's that were not so good, as I had some cracking at the spoke holes, so those were kind of crappy, a little heavy and not durable. Jeez, don't let it out that you ride over priced European enriched with voodoo rims. Some here don't think they're worth it. Personally, I've been quite happy with Open Pros, the only improvement being the ceramic brake surface treatment. They never wear. My front has done about 100,000km so far (about 10 years). JS. |
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James wrote:
Personally, I've been quite happy with Open Pros, the only improvement being the ceramic brake surface treatment. *They never wear. *My front has done about 100,000km so far (about 10 years). I understand they work well for lithe young girls and Sunday tweed rides. I can buy four rims that will survive a beating for the same price as one of those, though. Still waiting for the yet more expensive "Mavic Open Masters 50 And Over". Chalo |
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On Apr 10, 7:50*am, Chalo wrote:
James wrote: Personally, I've been quite happy with Open Pros, the only improvement being the ceramic brake surface treatment. *They never wear. *My front has done about 100,000km so far (about 10 years). I understand they work well for lithe young girls and Sunday tweed rides. I can buy four rims that will survive a beating for the same price as one of those, though. The high price is part of the sell. Some people feel better for spending what they feel is an appropriate amount for the product. They feel they will be faster, fresher and safer. It doesn't matter that as sooon as they hit 30mph they hit the brakes, they want to buy the dream of riding the front of the peleton in the Tour de Farce. Mavic is the dream for they have been in all the TV coverage since the 70's. Whatever deal Mavic made with TdF, it was a damn good one. Still waiting for the yet more expensive "Mavic Open Masters 50 And Over". Chalo |
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On 4/10/2011 12:28 AM, James wrote:
On Apr 10, 12:23 pm, Cicero wrote: He was the last of the "scientists" on rbt. Never had an MA-2 but I sure have had good luck with Open Pros for the last 8 years. I have 4 sets of them and they have been as bomb-proof as can be expected for 32 spoke wheels. Of course, I started on boutique wheels, so when I found my way to Open Pros they seemed like heaven compared to what I had before. I'm not a wheel guy, so I don't want to screw with them, and the OP's seemed like the perfect wheel for me. I'm sure there were other OP like wheels out there, but once I found something that works I stopped looking. I did have a couple sets of MA-3's that were not so good, as I had some cracking at the spoke holes, so those were kind of crappy, a little heavy and not durable. Jeez, don't let it out that you ride over priced European enriched with voodoo rims. Some here don't think they're worth it.[...] Just how much is European Heritage & Mystique worth to you? -- Tēm ShermĒn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On 4/10/2011 4:46 AM, thirty-six aka Trevor Jeffrey wrote:
The high price is part of the sell. Some people feel better for spending what they feel is an appropriate amount for the product. They feel they will be faster, fresher and safer. It doesn't matter that as sooon as they hit 30mph they hit the brakes, they want to buy the dream of riding the front of the peleton in the Tour de Farce.[...] Back when he was racing, Fabrizio Mazzoleni dominated the Tour de Farce. -- Tēm ShermĒn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On Apr 10, 1:50*am, Chalo wrote:
James wrote: Personally, I've been quite happy with Open Pros, the only improvement being the ceramic brake surface treatment. *They never wear. *My front has done about 100,000km so far (about 10 years). I understand they work well for lithe young girls and Sunday tweed rides. I can buy four rims that will survive a beating for the same price as one of those, though. Still waiting for the yet more expensive "Mavic Open Masters 50 And Over". Chalo met a very large cycle deputy outside the library but blew the interveiew as I was headed in for IRS Forms. |
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On Apr 10, 5:46 am, thirty-six wrote:
The high price is part of the sell. Some people feel better for spending what they feel is an appropriate amount for the product. They feel they will be faster, fresher and safer. Some years ago, I was giving a tour of our industrial robotics laboratory to some high school students. Hoping to make a point about the cost benefits of factory automation, I asked "If you could buy two cell phones that were exactly identical but one was less expensive, you'd buy that one, right?" One girl adamantly said "No, I'd buy the more expensive one. It would be better." I said "No, I'm talking about identical phones. The only difference would be the price." "I'd buy the more expensive one. More expensive things are always better." She's probably still a marketer's dream. (I wonder if she rides a bike?) - Frank Krygowski |
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On Apr 10, 11:59 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Apr 10, 5:46 am, thirty-six wrote: The high price is part of the sell. Some people feel better for spending what they feel is an appropriate amount for the product. They feel they will be faster, fresher and safer. Some years ago, I was giving a tour of our industrial robotics laboratory to some high school students. Hoping to make a point about the cost benefits of factory automation, I asked "If you could buy two cell phones that were exactly identical but one was less expensive, you'd buy that one, right?" One girl adamantly said "No, I'd buy the more expensive one. It would be better." I said "No, I'm talking about identical phones. The only difference would be the price." "I'd buy the more expensive one. More expensive things are always better." She's probably still a marketer's dream. (I wonder if she rides a bike?) When you buy something, you're not just paying for the product. |
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