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Old July 6th 19, 07:24 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Jay Beattie insists:

Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union.


That's the funniest thing I've read in a week. If Jay had added only two words -- "Klantifa permitting", it would have been Shakespearean tragi-comedy..

Andre Jute
"Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union, Klantifa permitting."


On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 5:41:30 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 9:08:36 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 3:15:39 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:

Andre Jute
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After the comments of Jay implying that free speech has no place in Portland I think that we can safely categorize him and understand why he couldn't care less about homeless or drug addicts supplied non-stop by illegal aliens.


Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_v._Henry

Please STFU, along with all the other tin-foil hat whack-jobs tying up our police dispatchers with alt-right whining. https://www.wweek.com/news/city/2019...ne-29-protest/

We'll take care of our problems here, which pale in comparison to Oakland.. https://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlj4.../#4c3153957d73 Try not to get shot walking to the market.

-- Jay Beattie.

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Old July 6th 19, 02:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:24:35 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
Jay Beattie insists:

Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union.


That's the funniest thing I've read in a week. If Jay had added only two words -- "Klantifa permitting", it would have been Shakespearean tragi-comedy.


You might want to brush up on the US Constitution. The last time I checked, the Klantifa was not the state. Proud Boys, Nazis and Patriot prayer are beating down and shutting up -- running over and shooting -- their fair share of people. https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/a...killing-people Absent criminal conduct, individuals can tell other individuals to STFU. In fact . . .

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old July 6th 19, 11:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:21:35 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 10:08:09 AM UTC+1, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:53:04 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 7:14:53 AM UTC-7, Zen Cycle wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 8:53:13 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
See https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...lands-anti-fa/ about the police-assisted fascisti who call themselves Anti-Fa in Portland beating up a gay Asian journalist.

Andre Jute
Disgusted at the Antifa's racism

Still hoping for another krystalnacht when your "proud boys" are allowed to run amok with impunity, eh Andre? Or maybe you would just like to see people passively sit and 'turn the other cheek' like when Dylan Roof performed his act of heroism on that unsuspecting elder black prayer circle. Face it, you're just ****ed because people are actively fighting back against your attempts at suppression/oppression. Ngo was an active supporter of the 'proud boys', and had published Islamophobic screeds. He may be gay and asian, but you know you're actually being quite dishonest when you suggested he was targeted for that. Meanwhile, the rants on your side of "jews will not replace us" go completely unmentioned by you.

Zencycle
Disgusted at Jute's hypocrisy.

The Antifa are the SAME people as Hitler's brownshirts and they should be treated as such. I would have had a different reaction than some journalist who was doing nothing but reporting what was going on.

Believe me Zen - if you were to make your comments to my face you would only do it once.


As you say, I do not live in the U.S. and haven't for some years so I
have never heard of the "Antifa"so I had to read up on them on the Net
and I read:

The Antifa movement is a conglomeration of left-wing autonomous,
militant anti-fascist groups in the United States... Activists
involved in the movement tend to be anti-capitalists and subscribe to
a range of ideologies, typically on the left. They include anarchists,
socialists and communists...

This hardly sounds like the Brownshirts, actual name "The
Sturmabteilung", literally Storm Detachment, was the Nazi Party's
original paramilitary.Its primary purposes were providing protection
for Nazi rallies and assemblies, disrupting the meetings of opposing
parties, especially the Communist Party of Germany (KPD), and
intimidating Romani, trade unionists, and, especially, Jews.

It appears that you have gotten it wrong (yet again) as the Antifa are
described as being very Left Wing... anarchists, socialists and
communists.

While the Brownshirts seem to have been exactly the opposite and
attacked communists and trade unions and other such socialist
organizations.

--

Cheers,

John B.


You're such a dim dingbat, Slow Johnny. I've already explained above why Ernst Roehm's Brownshirts were far left-wingers. But let me spell it out for you. Hitler, a socialist and leader of the National Socialist or NaZi party for short, killed Roehm and the rest of the Brownshirt's leadership because the Army, whose support Hitler required to institute an elected dictatorship, demanded stability, and Roehm wanted his revolution to continue, that is, he was well to the left of Hitler who was courting the Prussian Establishment, which was essentially the Army. There was also an element of sexual politics, just as there is today, in that the Junkers (that's about 90% the same thing as the German Establishment, and the Army High Command too) found Roehm's homosexuality disgusting. Basically, Stalin had Trotsky killed (well, besides the fact that Trotsky knew how little Lenin valued Stalin, so that Stalin couldn't rewrite history to move himself centrestage during the Bolshevik Revolution until Trotsky and a whole bunch of other Old Bolsheviks were dead) for the same reason, that Trotsky believed in everlasting revolution and Stalin was in power and consolidating and expanding his power, and did want any sideshow bovvers right then.

An exercise you may want to consider it to consider whether the "crowdsourced" information on Wikipedia isn't written by Klantifa and its sympathisers. You might also want to consider why Hitler, an explicit socialist, is called a "right-winger", and by whom, and what they have to gain, when that other massmurdering socialist thug, Stalin, to the Left is Dear Uncle Joe. Everything gets easier to understand once you go past the labels biased people have laid on them, and see them both as left-wing totalitarian thugs and murderers.

Andre Jute
Prayer for today: Oh, oh woe, save me from jumped-up mechanics with a link to Google!


In an almost continuous string ALL Snowflakes say the same thing - that President Trump is a fascist despite the fact that fascism is the inevitable result of socialism and the necessity for a socialist government to obtain total control of their countries.

While the socialists here are crying for more power over the people they are calling President Trump a fascist for removing progressively more and more government controls.

As you say, the morons do not know any history and they do not even know the actual definition of the terms they do easily throw about.
  #44  
Old July 6th 19, 11:42 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 6:29:33 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:24:35 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
Jay Beattie insists:

Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union.


That's the funniest thing I've read in a week. If Jay had added only two words -- "Klantifa permitting", it would have been Shakespearean tragi-comedy.


You might want to brush up on the US Constitution. The last time I checked, the Klantifa was not the state. Proud Boys, Nazis and Patriot prayer are beating down and shutting up -- running over and shooting -- their fair share of people. https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/a...killing-people Absent criminal conduct, individuals can tell other individuals to STFU. In fact . . .

-- Jay Beattie.


You're funnier by the posting. 100 murders by the far right? There are nearly that many murders in Oakland alone and nearly ALL drug related and involved with the Mexican drug cartels - you know, the one's that the Democrats allow to run the cities?
  #45  
Old July 7th 19, 03:10 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 2:29:33 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:24:35 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
Jay Beattie insists:

Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union.


That's the funniest thing I've read in a week. If Jay had added only two words -- "Klantifa permitting", it would have been Shakespearean tragi-comedy.


You might want to brush up on the US Constitution. The last time I checked, the Klantifa was not the state. Proud Boys, Nazis and Patriot prayer are beating down and shutting up -- running over and shooting -- their fair share of people. https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/a...killing-people Absent criminal conduct, individuals can tell other individuals to STFU. In fact . . .

-- Jay Beattie.


A friendly hint in your shell-like, Jay: people who present the Southern Poverty Law Center as a source cannot expect any respect, and are likely to be suspected of being totally out of touch with reality. The SPLC is currently embroiled in its own scandals: its leadership apparently fondled women and harassed minorities on the staff. The writer of the article you referred us to has "alleged perpetrators" in the first sentence, besides the fact that the SPLC is unreliable and biased, even the reporter is embarrassed at having to cite their allegation. Let's have some facts instead of allegations. Andy Ngo is in hospital with a brain haemorrhage cause by being beaten up with pipes by Antifa while the Portland Police looked on. That's a fact.. Attempts by the SPLC to blow the smoke of moral equivalence over this hard fact with pipe dream "allegations" is not a fact, but smoke.

Andre Jute
Don't let your son go to law school, Mrs Worthington
  #46  
Old July 7th 19, 03:29 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default The American Fascist Party can't all be cyclists!

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:34:27 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:21:35 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 10:08:09 AM UTC+1, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:53:04 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 7:14:53 AM UTC-7, Zen Cycle wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 8:53:13 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
See https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...lands-anti-fa/ about the police-assisted fascisti who call themselves Anti-Fa in Portland beating up a gay Asian journalist.

Andre Jute
Disgusted at the Antifa's racism

Still hoping for another krystalnacht when your "proud boys" are allowed to run amok with impunity, eh Andre? Or maybe you would just like to see people passively sit and 'turn the other cheek' like when Dylan Roof performed his act of heroism on that unsuspecting elder black prayer circle. Face it, you're just ****ed because people are actively fighting back against your attempts at suppression/oppression. Ngo was an active supporter of the 'proud boys', and had published Islamophobic screeds. He may be gay and asian, but you know you're actually being quite dishonest when you suggested he was targeted for that. Meanwhile, the rants on your side of "jews will not replace us" go completely unmentioned by you.

Zencycle
Disgusted at Jute's hypocrisy.

The Antifa are the SAME people as Hitler's brownshirts and they should be treated as such. I would have had a different reaction than some journalist who was doing nothing but reporting what was going on.

Believe me Zen - if you were to make your comments to my face you would only do it once.

As you say, I do not live in the U.S. and haven't for some years so I
have never heard of the "Antifa"so I had to read up on them on the Net
and I read:

The Antifa movement is a conglomeration of left-wing autonomous,
militant anti-fascist groups in the United States... Activists
involved in the movement tend to be anti-capitalists and subscribe to
a range of ideologies, typically on the left. They include anarchists,
socialists and communists...

This hardly sounds like the Brownshirts, actual name "The
Sturmabteilung", literally Storm Detachment, was the Nazi Party's
original paramilitary.Its primary purposes were providing protection
for Nazi rallies and assemblies, disrupting the meetings of opposing
parties, especially the Communist Party of Germany (KPD), and
intimidating Romani, trade unionists, and, especially, Jews.

It appears that you have gotten it wrong (yet again) as the Antifa are
described as being very Left Wing... anarchists, socialists and
communists.

While the Brownshirts seem to have been exactly the opposite and
attacked communists and trade unions and other such socialist
organizations.

--

Cheers,

John B.


You're such a dim dingbat, Slow Johnny. I've already explained above why Ernst Roehm's Brownshirts were far left-wingers. But let me spell it out for you. Hitler, a socialist and leader of the National Socialist or NaZi party for short, killed Roehm and the rest of the Brownshirt's leadership because the Army, whose support Hitler required to institute an elected dictatorship, demanded stability, and Roehm wanted his revolution to continue, that is, he was well to the left of Hitler who was courting the Prussian Establishment, which was essentially the Army. There was also an element of sexual politics, just as there is today, in that the Junkers (that's about 90% the same thing as the German Establishment, and the Army High Command too) found Roehm's homosexuality disgusting. Basically, Stalin had Trotsky killed (well, besides the fact that Trotsky knew how little Lenin valued Stalin, so that Stalin couldn't rewrite history to move himself centrestage during the Bolshevik Revolution until Trotsky and a whole bunch of other Old Bolsheviks were dead) for the same reason, that Trotsky believed in everlasting revolution and Stalin was in power and consolidating and expanding his power, and did want any sideshow bovvers right then.

An exercise you may want to consider it to consider whether the "crowdsourced" information on Wikipedia isn't written by Klantifa and its sympathisers. You might also want to consider why Hitler, an explicit socialist, is called a "right-winger", and by whom, and what they have to gain, when that other massmurdering socialist thug, Stalin, to the Left is Dear Uncle Joe.. Everything gets easier to understand once you go past the labels biased people have laid on them, and see them both as left-wing totalitarian thugs and murderers.

Andre Jute
Prayer for today: Oh, oh woe, save me from jumped-up mechanics with a link to Google!


In an almost continuous string ALL Snowflakes say the same thing - that President Trump is a fascist despite the fact that fascism is the inevitable result of socialism and the necessity for a socialist government to obtain total control of their countries.

While the socialists here are crying for more power over the people they are calling President Trump a fascist for removing progressively more and more government controls.

As you say, the morons do not know any history and they do not even know the actual definition of the terms they do easily throw about.


It's worse than that. Some of them aren't stupid. Paul Johnson, in the mists of history himself an influential left-winger (he started out as Bertrand Russell's confidential secretary, and went from there to be one of the best writers ever on the New Statesman and later its editor, wrote in The Enemies of Society (1977) that the first business of the Left is always to undermine the meaning of words. In Marxist theory this debilitation of our language, the most common form of communication and the very root of rationality, is called the Dialectic, in which Marxist, and neo-marxist and nebbish-Marxists too, give themselves the right to alter the meaning of the words every time they lose the argument. We're living through a wave of this most common and unimaginative Marxist tactic.

Andre Jute
We should be as lucky to grow as old in wisdom as Paul Johnson
  #47  
Old July 7th 19, 04:05 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 19:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:34:27 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:21:35 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 10:08:09 AM UTC+1, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:53:04 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 7:14:53 AM UTC-7, Zen Cycle wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 8:53:13 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
See https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...lands-anti-fa/ about the police-assisted fascisti who call themselves Anti-Fa in Portland beating up a gay Asian journalist.

Andre Jute
Disgusted at the Antifa's racism

Still hoping for another krystalnacht when your "proud boys" are allowed to run amok with impunity, eh Andre? Or maybe you would just like to see people passively sit and 'turn the other cheek' like when Dylan Roof performed his act of heroism on that unsuspecting elder black prayer circle. Face it, you're just ****ed because people are actively fighting back against your attempts at suppression/oppression. Ngo was an active supporter of the 'proud boys', and had published Islamophobic screeds. He may be gay and asian, but you know you're actually being quite dishonest when you suggested he was targeted for that. Meanwhile, the rants on your side of "jews will not replace us" go completely unmentioned by you.

Zencycle
Disgusted at Jute's hypocrisy.

The Antifa are the SAME people as Hitler's brownshirts and they should be treated as such. I would have had a different reaction than some journalist who was doing nothing but reporting what was going on.

Believe me Zen - if you were to make your comments to my face you would only do it once.

As you say, I do not live in the U.S. and haven't for some years so I
have never heard of the "Antifa"so I had to read up on them on the Net
and I read:

The Antifa movement is a conglomeration of left-wing autonomous,
militant anti-fascist groups in the United States... Activists
involved in the movement tend to be anti-capitalists and subscribe to
a range of ideologies, typically on the left. They include anarchists,
socialists and communists...

This hardly sounds like the Brownshirts, actual name "The
Sturmabteilung", literally Storm Detachment, was the Nazi Party's
original paramilitary.Its primary purposes were providing protection
for Nazi rallies and assemblies, disrupting the meetings of opposing
parties, especially the Communist Party of Germany (KPD), and
intimidating Romani, trade unionists, and, especially, Jews.

It appears that you have gotten it wrong (yet again) as the Antifa are
described as being very Left Wing... anarchists, socialists and
communists.

While the Brownshirts seem to have been exactly the opposite and
attacked communists and trade unions and other such socialist
organizations.

--

Cheers,

John B.

You're such a dim dingbat, Slow Johnny. I've already explained above why Ernst Roehm's Brownshirts were far left-wingers. But let me spell it out for you. Hitler, a socialist and leader of the National Socialist or NaZi party for short, killed Roehm and the rest of the Brownshirt's leadership because the Army, whose support Hitler required to institute an elected dictatorship, demanded stability, and Roehm wanted his revolution to continue, that is, he was well to the left of Hitler who was courting the Prussian Establishment, which was essentially the Army. There was also an element of sexual politics, just as there is today, in that the Junkers (that's about 90% the same thing as the German Establishment, and the Army High Command too) found Roehm's homosexuality disgusting. Basically, Stalin had Trotsky killed (well, besides the fact that Trotsky knew how little Lenin valued Stalin, so that Stalin couldn't rewrite history to move himself centrestage during the Bolshevik

Revolution until Trotsky and a whole bunch of other Old Bolsheviks were dead) for the same reason, that Trotsky believed in everlasting revolution and Stalin was in power and consolidating and expanding his power, and did want any sideshow bovvers right then.

An exercise you may want to consider it to consider whether the "crowdsourced" information on Wikipedia isn't written by Klantifa and its sympathisers. You might also want to consider why Hitler, an explicit socialist, is called a "right-winger", and by whom, and what they have to gain, when that other massmurdering socialist thug, Stalin, to the Left is Dear Uncle Joe. Everything gets easier to understand once you go past the labels biased people have laid on them, and see them both as left-wing totalitarian thugs and murderers.

Andre Jute
Prayer for today: Oh, oh woe, save me from jumped-up mechanics with a link to Google!


In an almost continuous string ALL Snowflakes say the same thing - that President Trump is a fascist despite the fact that fascism is the inevitable result of socialism and the necessity for a socialist government to obtain total control of their countries.

While the socialists here are crying for more power over the people they are calling President Trump a fascist for removing progressively more and more government controls.

As you say, the morons do not know any history and they do not even know the actual definition of the terms they do easily throw about.


It's worse than that. Some of them aren't stupid. Paul Johnson, in the mists of history himself an influential left-winger (he started out as Bertrand Russell's confidential secretary, and went from there to be one of the best writers ever on the New Statesman and later its editor, wrote in The Enemies of Society (1977) that the first business of the Left is always to undermine the meaning of words. In Marxist theory this debilitation of our language, the most common form of communication and the very root of rationality, is called the Dialectic, in which Marxist, and neo-marxist and nebbish-Marxists too, give themselves the right to alter the meaning of the words every time they lose the argument. We're living through a wave of this most common and unimaginative Marxist tactic.

Andre Jute
We should be as lucky to grow as old in wisdom as Paul Johnson


And of course Orwell, in a book published in 1949, outlined exactly
the same thing.
--
cheers,

John B.

  #48  
Old July 7th 19, 05:39 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
JBeattie
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On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 2:29:33 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:24:35 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
Jay Beattie insists:

Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union.

That's the funniest thing I've read in a week. If Jay had added only two words -- "Klantifa permitting", it would have been Shakespearean tragi-comedy.


You might want to brush up on the US Constitution. The last time I checked, the Klantifa was not the state. Proud Boys, Nazis and Patriot prayer are beating down and shutting up -- running over and shooting -- their fair share of people. https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/a...killing-people Absent criminal conduct, individuals can tell other individuals to STFU.. In fact . . .

-- Jay Beattie.


A friendly hint in your shell-like, Jay: people who present the Southern Poverty Law Center as a source cannot expect any respect, and are likely to be suspected of being totally out of touch with reality. The SPLC is currently embroiled in its own scandals: its leadership apparently fondled women and harassed minorities on the staff. The writer of the article you referred us to has "alleged perpetrators" in the first sentence, besides the fact that the SPLC is unreliable and biased, even the reporter is embarrassed at having to cite their allegation. Let's have some facts instead of allegations. Andy Ngo is in hospital with a brain haemorrhage cause by being beaten up with pipes by Antifa while the Portland Police looked on. That's a fact. Attempts by the SPLC to blow the smoke of moral equivalence over this hard fact with pipe dream "allegations" is not a fact, but smoke.


Show me one Antifa killing. I don't approve of them, but so far, they've been relatively harmless. Also, there is absolutely no evidence that they were standing there allowing the assault.

Andy Ngo is not in a hospital with a brain bleed. He was apparently observed and released.

-- Jay Beattie
  #49  
Old July 7th 19, 05:49 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:05:45 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 19:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:34:27 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:

In an almost continuous string ALL Snowflakes say the same thing - that President Trump is a fascist despite the fact that fascism is the inevitable result of socialism and the necessity for a socialist government to obtain total control of their countries.

While the socialists here are crying for more power over the people they are calling President Trump a fascist for removing progressively more and more government controls.

As you say, the morons do not know any history and they do not even know the actual definition of the terms they do easily throw about.


It's worse than that. Some of them aren't stupid. Paul Johnson, in the mists of history himself an influential left-winger (he started out as Bertrand Russell's confidential secretary, and went from there to be one of the best writers ever on the New Statesman and later its editor, wrote in The Enemies of Society (1977) that the first business of the Left is always to undermine the meaning of words. In Marxist theory this debilitation of our language, the most common form of communication and the very root of rationality, is called the Dialectic, in which Marxist, and neo-marxist and nebbish-Marxists too, give themselves the right to alter the meaning of the words every time they lose the argument. We're living through a wave of this most common and unimaginative Marxist tactic.

Andre Jute
We should be as lucky to grow as old in wisdom as Paul Johnson


And of course Orwell, in a book published in 1949, outlined exactly
the same thing.
--
cheers,

John B.


It's a fairly common theme among thoughtful writers, worth dusting off every generation or so, maybe every decade now that thing move so hastily, soon perhaps every year...

Orwell also wrote a pair of sharp essays, "Politics and the English Language" and "The Prevention of Literature", on the abuse of words for political gain, which were given to me by John Blackwell, editorial director at Martin Secker & Warburg, who were Orwell's publishers of record as well as mine. I took tea a few times with Orwell's widow, Sonia, who graciously gave a young writer hints on advancing himself ("Don't cross swords with the literary advisor [a semi-detached temple dog at any literary publishing house], outlive him instead"), but the subject of abuse of the language didn't arise, perhaps because she assumed that any Secker author (she was one too) featured on such a prestigious list because he already honoured the received meaning of words.

Andre Jute
Sometimes I wish I kept a diary
  #50  
Old July 7th 19, 06:33 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default The American Fascist Party can't all be cyclists!

On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 5:39:18 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 2:29:33 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:24:35 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
Jay Beattie insists:

Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union.

That's the funniest thing I've read in a week. If Jay had added only two words -- "Klantifa permitting", it would have been Shakespearean tragi-comedy.

You might want to brush up on the US Constitution. The last time I checked, the Klantifa was not the state. Proud Boys, Nazis and Patriot prayer are beating down and shutting up -- running over and shooting -- their fair share of people. https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/a...killing-people Absent criminal conduct, individuals can tell other individuals to STFU. In fact . . .

-- Jay Beattie.


A friendly hint in your shell-like, Jay: people who present the Southern Poverty Law Center as a source cannot expect any respect, and are likely to be suspected of being totally out of touch with reality. The SPLC is currently embroiled in its own scandals: its leadership apparently fondled women and harassed minorities on the staff. The writer of the article you referred us to has "alleged perpetrators" in the first sentence, besides the fact that the SPLC is unreliable and biased, even the reporter is embarrassed at having to cite their allegation. Let's have some facts instead of allegations. Andy Ngo is in hospital with a brain haemorrhage cause by being beaten up with pipes by Antifa while the Portland Police looked on. That's a fact. Attempts by the SPLC to blow the smoke of moral equivalence over this hard fact with pipe dream "allegations" is not a fact, but smoke.


Show me one Antifa killing.


Show me where I'm supposed to have stated that Klantifa killed anyone.

Yet. With your enablement, and the mayor's, and the police chief's, probably sooner rather than later.

Keep your back to the wall.

Andre Jute
At least I'm not a limo liberal whining about moral equivalence
 




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