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[M] dockless bikes compete for marketshare
RS Wood writes:
From the «but do they blend?» department: Title: How cheap dockless hire bikes are flooding the world Author: Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 19:12:09 -0400 Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44066083 Dockless bike tech has massively boosted bike-sharing. Is it the future of two-wheeled transport? In Finland there's now a semi-docked (meaning you can leave a bike near the dock even if it's full) bike system in the capital Helsinki and adjacent Espoo. Heavily subsidized by the towns of course but apparently fairly popular. Lots of trucking the bikes around too. I wonder how the dockless systems fare with this, picking up individual bikes from where ever people drop them has to be more expensive than moving them between docks. And of course, in Finland this service is for the warmer half of the year. While some people say weather is just a matter of dress it takes a fairly hardcore biker to ride in ice and snow. Personally, if I went about three clicks from home to a train stop in Espoo, I could take a local train to near my office in Helsinki and use one of those bikes or walk the kilometer or so to the office. Unfortunately it's a slow train so this takes two to three times more than going by car and doesn't give much exercise benefits either. |
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[M] dockless bikes compete for marketshare
On Tue, 15 May 2018 22:53:41 +0300, Anssi Saari wrote:
Personally, if I went about three clicks from home to a train stop in Espoo, I could take a local train to near my office in Helsinki and use one of those bikes or walk the kilometer or so to the office. Unfortunately it's a slow train so this takes two to three times more than going by car and doesn't give much exercise benefits either. For a while this fall, I could cycle much farther than I could drive. If the share bikes have drop bars (which don't irritate my rotator cuff) the train would have worked well for me. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/ |
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Anssi Saari :
In Finland there's now a semi-docked (meaning you can leave a bike near the dock even if it's full) bike system in the capital Helsinki and adjacent Espoo. Heavily subsidized by the towns of course but apparently fairly popular. I bicycle a lot and see those public bikes all the time. It still baffles me what the use case is unless you just happen to belong to the privileged minority that lives or works right next to a dock. Are we giving a handsome tax subsidy to a handful of lucky winners? Lots of trucking the bikes around too. Never seen them being trucked around, but that must be the case. I wonder what the total cost of the system is. Well, maybe it's just a drop in the public transport ocean. it takes a fairly hardcore biker to ride in ice and snow. Rain is the worst. Personally, if I went about three clicks from home to a train stop in Espoo, I could take a local train to near my office in Helsinki and use one of those bikes or walk the kilometer or so to the office. Unfortunately it's a slow train so this takes two to three times more than going by car and doesn't give much exercise benefits either. Getting there by car is ok, but where would you park? There's no free parking in my current employment, and the city won't even allow you to park for a whole working day but makes to pay for the spot in 4-hour segments (at €2/hr). Marko |
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Marko Rauhamaa writes:
Anssi Saari : In Finland there's now a semi-docked (meaning you can leave a bike near the dock even if it's full) bike system in the capital Helsinki and adjacent Espoo. Heavily subsidized by the towns of course but apparently fairly popular. I bicycle a lot and see those public bikes all the time. It still baffles me what the use case is unless you just happen to belong to the privileged minority that lives or works right next to a dock. Are we giving a handsome tax subsidy to a handful of lucky winners? I'm not sure either how much sense this makes but the published stats for last year seem reasonable. Average 5.6 trips per day per bike, 1.5 million trips total. Average trip 2.2 km. The price for a user is also ridiculously low, 30 ¤ gives unlimited max 30 minute rides for the whole season. Oh and the bikes have ads so it's not completely tax subsidized. Come to think of it, I wonder how much information the advertisers get. The bikes have GPS of course and the system knows who rented which bike... Getting there by car is ok, but where would you park? There's no free parking in my current employment, and the city won't even allow you to park for a whole working day but makes to pay for the spot in 4-hour segments (at ¤2/hr). Well, yes, I'd never come by car if I didn't have a parking spot which my employer provides. |
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Anssi Saari :
I'm not sure either how much sense this makes but the published stats for last year seem reasonable. Average 5.6 trips per day per bike, 1.5 million trips total. Average trip 2.2 km. I'd like to know how many people have paid the 30-euro season ticket plus the total cost of running the program. Marko |
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Marko Rauhamaa writes:
Anssi Saari : I'm not sure either how much sense this makes but the published stats for last year seem reasonable. Average 5.6 trips per day per bike, 1.5 million trips total. Average trip 2.2 km. I'd like to know how many people have paid the 30-euro season ticket plus the total cost of running the program. They list 34000 for last year so a tidy sum. Total cost is probably a trade secret since the bikes and docks are operated by a private company. |
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Anssi Saari :
Marko Rauhamaa writes: I'd like to know how many people have paid the 30-euro season ticket plus the total cost of running the program. They list 34000 for last year so a tidy sum. Total cost is probably a trade secret since the bikes and docks are operated by a private company. The total cost to the tax-payer can't be a trade secret. Marko |
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[M] dockless bikes compete for marketshare
Marko Rauhamaa :
Anssi Saari : Marko Rauhamaa writes: I'd like to know how many people have paid the 30-euro season ticket plus the total cost of running the program. They list 34000 for last year so a tidy sum. Total cost is probably a trade secret since the bikes and docks are operated by a private company. The total cost to the tax-payer can't be a trade secret. [€13,000,000 over ten years for 1,500 bicycles.] URL: https://www.is.fi/autot/art-2000001024238.html Supposing those 34,000 stay with the program for 10 years (in Helsinki) and pay the €30/yr, €10,000,000 will be recouped. So not bad. Marko |
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