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= Ken [NY)
They were all released by Friday. Of course they are going to get ACLU lawyers to sue the city. Which is fine, since the RNC is over now. =v= Toxic conditions for both peaceful protesters and innocent bystanders are fine? Indiscriminate attacks on people for legally and peacefully exercising their civil rights are fine? =v= Your comments are unAmerican. Perhaps you would be happier living in a police state. _Jym_ |
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You make it sound as if they had no control over the number of
arrests, as if they were innocent victims of some preordained arrest schedule, almost as if they *were ordered* to make each and every arrest! =v= "I was only following orders" was soundly judged as no defense back in 1945. Has this judgement been suspended for the New World Order? "Ken [NY)" seems to be celebrating that. =v= Just so we're clear about what the NYPD did: o Sent unmarked "scooter goons" into peaceful, law-abiding crowds. The _New_York_Times_ printed the police's claim that they "nudged" protesters, but they have been videotaped hitting and kicking people. o Blocked off areas and indiscriminately arrested everyone on a block or street. Typical tactic: surrounding them so that nobody could disperse, then giving an order to disperse, then arresting them all. o At bicycle events, arresting everyone in the area, including food delivery people and those walking on the sidewalk. Using boltcutters and other tools to steal every bicycle locked up in the area. o In addition to the indiscriminate mass arrests, targeted legal observers and medics for a block around and arresting them as well. _Jym_ |
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Jym Dyer wrote: You make it sound as if they had no control over the number of arrests, as if they were innocent victims of some preordained arrest schedule, almost as if they *were ordered* to make each and every arrest! =v= "I was only following orders" was soundly judged as no defense back in 1945. Has this judgement been suspended for the New World Order? "Ken [NY)" seems to be celebrating that. Comparing getting arrested for disorderly conduct to mass murder is a little bit over the top, Jym, and frankly an insult to those of us who lost much of our families in the Holocaust. You demonstrated, knew (or should have known) that tensions were at a high level, invited arrest, then compare the police to the Gestapo. Get your legal help, and grow up! Steve Bornfeld (BTW, no supporter of the RNC) |
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Comparing getting arrested for disorderly conduct to mass
murder is a little bit over the top, Jym, and frankly an insult to those of us who lost much of our families in the Holocaust. =v= I made no such comparison, and frankly your non sequitur of a reply is needlessly inflammatory. =v= The Nuremberg Trials set a legal standard that rippled throughout the civilized world and have been applicable and applied from the upper levels of the military to the lowest levels of law enforcement. The standard has quite rightly been applied to uniformed perpetrators for abuses of human and civil rights which have (quite obviously) not approached the realm of those of the Holocaust. =v= None of this is exactly obscure news. Anyone familiar with civil rights history or who's even just taken an undergraduate course in ethics should be familiar with it. =v= That standard is one of the things we won in WWII. I'm not willing to give it up. You demonstrated, knew (or should have known) that tensions were at a high level, invited arrest, then compare the police to the Gestapo. Get your legal help, and grow up! =v= Again, I made no such comparison. But here we see what you're really up to: just pulling in inflammatory remarks to spew pejoratives (and heading straight into Godwin territory). What's more, your "invited arrest" misrepresentation concocts a scenario that leads one to wonder whether you actually read read the message that you're putatively responding to. _Jym_ |
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Jym Dyer wrote: Comparing getting arrested for disorderly conduct to mass murder is a little bit over the top, Jym, and frankly an insult to those of us who lost much of our families in the Holocaust. =v= I made no such comparison, and frankly your non sequitur of a reply is needlessly inflammatory. Sure. Explain your use of the term "New World Order". |
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"Ken [NY)" wrote:
The "peaceful law-abiding crowd" was there without a permit, unlike others that were not bothered. You think they need your (or anybody else's) permission to simply be on the public ways? Nazi is too good a word for you then. Mitch. |
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"Ken [NY)" purports:
Hours before, many of the same people were throwing garbage at cops and Republicans, starting fires that injured people, and many were protesting by lying down in the filthy gutter, hoping to be arrested. =v= What evidence do you have that these were "the same people" or that fires (plural) injured people? None of the people I'm talking about here did any of that (as you must surely know, unless you are incapable of reading for comprehension); they were riding bikes, kissing, or simply walking on sidewalks not protesting at all. =v= I know of one fire, conditions confusing, resulting in one PROVEN FRAUDULENT claim of injury by an NYPD officer. Shameful. ... maybe they shouldn't have been breaking the law. Like the mayor said, "it isn't Club Med." =v= Again: read for comprehension. Many arrested WERE NOT BREAKING THE LAW. Does "breaking" have too many syllables for you or something? Tell me, do you really think it's appropriate to do a mass sweep of sidewalks of people who may not even be protesting, and stuff them into a pen on oil, diesel soot, asbestos and PCBs? If so, what in God's name is wrong with you? =v= Crack dealers and violent offenders (or whom the police themselves referred to, revealingly, as "real prisoners") were treated better. =v= Bloomberg's "Club Med" remark will come back to haunt him. He's either clueless or lying, and neither is good. _Jym_ |
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"Ken [NY)" wrote in message ... On 11 Sep 2004 09:21:37 -0700, Jym Dyer claims: "Ken [NY)" purports: Hours before, many of the same people were throwing garbage at cops and Republicans, starting fires that injured people, and many were protesting by lying down in the filthy gutter, hoping to be arrested. =v= What evidence do you have that these were "the same people" or that fires (plural) injured people? None of the people I'm talking about here did any of that (as you must surely know, unless you are incapable of reading for comprehension); they were riding bikes, kissing, or simply walking on sidewalks not protesting at all. No protesting, eh? Bike protests. Join us in the streets of Manhattan to celebrate a different vision of our city and public space. When: Sunday, August 29th, 11:00am Whe Union Square Park South (14th St near Broadway) A bike action in solidarity with UFPJ march: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/ Meet earlier to discuss plans for our first Bike Bloc. Sure sounded like a protest to me! Unless you have a convenient different meaning to "Bike protests". "Jym" organizes and starts ****, but will NEVER take responcability for any of it. The bicycles I saw did block an ambulance for about 15 min, and the police were completly right in arresting them. "Jym" will always deny, like he does with the death of that girl in 97 who was riding with CM. |
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"Ken [NY)" once again demonstrates his inability
to read for comprehension: No protesting, eh? =v= I never said that. What I said, in small words that I mistakenly thought you were capable of comprehending, is that many (not all -- repeat -- not all) who were arrested were protesting, and also that many who were protesting were not breaking any laws. _Jym_ |
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"Jym Dyer" wrote in message ... "Ken [NY)" once again demonstrates his inability to read for comprehension: No protesting, eh? =v= I never said that. What I said, in small words that I mistakenly thought you were capable of comprehending, is that many (not all -- repeat -- not all) who were arrested were protesting, and also that many who were protesting were not breaking any laws. _Jym_ Well, which way are you going to have it, Jym-boy? They WERE, or WERE NOT, breaking LAWS? Flip' a flopie, "Jym"bie -- urges others to get in trouble, then deny having anything to do with it. |
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