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"Monique Y. Mudama" wrote in message ... On 2004-08-17, Dan Volker penned: Reading the bull**** posts and boasts that keep coming out of your mouth, about how you would be talking tough regardless of where you are , just makes me wish you had attended USF back when I did---there would have been multiple toilets with your name on them :-) Cool it, Dan. Yes, JD picks on you, but you're sounding mighty immature there yourself. No one respects the dude who tries to drag an online conflict into a real life fight, or worse yet, crows about the outcome of a fight that hasn't a chance of every actually transpiring. You're making an awful lot of assumptions, apparently based on a picture, and looks can be deceiving. I had friends in high school who made a point of looking harmless so that when they took their would-be tormentors out, the bullies had no idea what hit 'em. You, on the other hand, are losing points in the "sympathy" category by bragging about swirlies you gave in college. Jesus, that's pathetic enough in high school, let alone college. Do us all a favor and killfile JD if he's so objectionable. You're not winning any friends with your current angle. -- monique Monique, I did not say I was the one doing the toilet dipping to guys like JD...I was just saying that guys like JD would have had that happening to them, if they had attended USF, or any other big school.... It was the obvious reaction which would occur when someone like JD forgot himself ( forgot that he was a pencil neck) and talked obnoxiously to the wrong people. I would have enjoyed watching this scenario, if JD had attended USF. They would not have beaten him up or actually had a fight with him--that would not occur with someone as physically pathetic as JD. The toilet or equivalent, would be a much more fitting behavioral modifier, for him to learn his true place in the world. The point I am trying to make is that guys that "could" talk like JD talks here on AMB---(i.e., guys that are physically capable of backing up the implied physical challenges JD's posts contain) would not actually talk like that in real life. Guys with this physical capability learn early on, that tough talk causes real fights, and its not smart to be picking these on a daily basis, even if you can win them. So they learn a certain amount of respect which they offer in most verbal exchanges---and this is maintained up until the moment they decide it is time to actually get physical. JD starts out with this attitude and talk which would be the last phase, for anyone who actually had physical abilities in a confrontation--this is just about proof that he is no more than a chat room poser. Monique, you have not seen me start out any discussions the way JD does. I have tried to ignore this, but it is also kind of a pet peeve of mine---interacting on usenet groups and having some "poser" talk tough, as if anything could ever come of it--of course it won't. They know this, and take advantage of it. JD knows he can talk tough to anyone on here, attack any way he desires, and be free of any consequences ( unlike the way we ALL exist in real life). Its a perverted aspect of the Internet, and apparently you and most others on AMB are happy to tolerate it. I don't see killfiling him as the right response...I don't really know if there is a right response though..... Regards, Dan V |
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Dan Volker wrote:
"Monique Y. Mudama" wrote in message ... On 2004-08-17, Dan Volker penned: Reading the bull**** posts and boasts that keep coming out of your mouth, about how you would be talking tough regardless of where you are , just makes me wish you had attended USF back when I did---there would have been multiple toilets with your name on them :-) Cool it, Dan. Yes, JD picks on you, but you're sounding mighty immature there yourself. No one respects the dude who tries to drag an online conflict into a real life fight, or worse yet, crows about the outcome of a fight that hasn't a chance of every actually transpiring. You're making an awful lot of assumptions, apparently based on a picture, and looks can be deceiving. I had friends in high school who made a point of looking harmless so that when they took their would-be tormentors out, the bullies had no idea what hit 'em. You, on the other hand, are losing points in the "sympathy" category by bragging about swirlies you gave in college. Jesus, that's pathetic enough in high school, let alone college. Do us all a favor and killfile JD if he's so objectionable. You're not winning any friends with your current angle. -- monique Monique, I did not say I was the one doing the toilet dipping to guys like JD...I was just saying that guys like JD would have had that happening to them, if they had attended USF, or any other big school.... It was the obvious reaction which would occur when someone like JD forgot himself ( forgot that he was a pencil neck) and talked obnoxiously to the wrong people. I would have enjoyed watching this scenario, if JD had attended USF. They would not have beaten him up or actually had a fight with him--that would not occur with someone as physically pathetic as JD. The toilet or equivalent, would be a much more fitting behavioral modifier, for him to learn his true place in the world. The point I am trying to make is that guys that "could" talk like JD talks here on AMB---(i.e., guys that are physically capable of backing up the implied physical challenges JD's posts contain) would not actually talk like that in real life. Guys with this physical capability learn early on, that tough talk causes real fights, and its not smart to be picking these on a daily basis, even if you can win them. So they learn a certain amount of respect which they offer in most verbal exchanges---and this is maintained up until the moment they decide it is time to actually get physical. JD starts out with this attitude and talk which would be the last phase, for anyone who actually had physical abilities in a confrontation--this is just about proof that he is no more than a chat room poser. Monique, you have not seen me start out any discussions the way JD does. I have tried to ignore this, but it is also kind of a pet peeve of mine---interacting on usenet groups and having some "poser" talk tough, as if anything could ever come of it--of course it won't. They know this, and take advantage of it. JD knows he can talk tough to anyone on here, attack any way he desires, and be free of any consequences ( unlike the way we ALL exist in real life). Its a perverted aspect of the Internet, and apparently you and most others on AMB are happy to tolerate it. I don't see killfiling him as the right response...I don't really know if there is a right response though..... ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....... .......................... .................................................. ........................... ...................................... Bill "Dan, you must have been a carp in a previous life" S. |
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"cc" wrote in message ...
"JD" wrote in message m... BTW, Uncle Sam does make real badasses, but those of your ilk wouldn't know anything about that. JD, you are truly ridiculous, as is this comment. No, *this* makes *you* ridiculous: ". We'll add clueless to that as well. JD |
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On 2004-08-17, Dan Volker penned:
Monique, you have not seen me start out any discussions the way JD does. I have tried to ignore this, but it is also kind of a pet peeve of mine---interacting on usenet groups and having some "poser" talk tough, as if anything could ever come of it--of course it won't. They know this, and take advantage of it. JD knows he can talk tough to anyone on here, attack any way he desires, and be free of any consequences ( unlike the way we ALL exist in real life). Its a perverted aspect of the Internet, and apparently you and most others on AMB are happy to tolerate it. I don't see killfiling him as the right response...I don't really know if there is a right response though..... It doesn't matter who started it. It takes two to keep it going. Believe me, taking the bait every time is not making you look good. Killfiling him is the right response. Your use of the word "tolerate" implies that you think that there's some action that will "teach JD a lesson" and "make him behave." This is not a moderated group. There's no way to shut people up, even if there were a majority in favor of doing so. The best way to deal with someone who annoys you is to ignore them. I don't know how much experience you have with online communities, but I have a ton, and it all, including my previous experiences with JD, supports my belief that taking the bait does nothing but irritate the rest of the community. It makes you look bad. Maybe it's not fair, but that's the way it is. All of this can be summarized by a long-standing usenet policy: "Don't feed the trolls." Anyway, I'm done. Keep shaking your fists at him if you'd like, but realize this: it won't make a damn bit of difference. JD won't alter his behavior, and you won't change anyone's opinion about him. People have already made their decisions about JD based on his posts, just as they are making their decisions about you based on your posts. -- monique "Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live." -- Mark Twain |
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"Gamarús" wrote in message newspscundjqn7cestu@ruc... El Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:10:26 -0400, Dan Volker va escriu (...) Thanks Dan for providing such generous information . And, what say you about uphills with a Liquid 25? Rear shox moves, bounce? I'm more worried about uphills behaviour, than downhills, as I think you always have to suffer in uphills, and have fun in downhills. I'd prefer less suffer than more fun . But obviously, I need more fun than a downhill with a hardtail. Best regards, -- Gamarús Gamarus, As to uphills, the bike does weigh a little more than hard tails, so on a long climb, I expect I will pay for this. But I also expect to pay more for my extra muscle mass and weight, that does little in a hill climb to assist ;-) On the shorter climbs--30 to 60 foot steep and rocky, the rear shock on the Liquid 25 makes this climb much better than the Trek hardtail I used to ride, or than the Canondale hardtail with monoshock. The rear tire stays in contact with the dirt much better, and when you run over a rock or root, traction is maintained much better. I have not felt an issue with bobbing, due to the spv rear shock---although in fairness to the guys who ride much bigger hills, since I am riding only short hills, I am in NO position to comment on bobbing over a long climb---I'm sure in a 30 minute or one hour climb, any amount of bobbing would feel exagerated, so there are plenty of people here with much better feedback for you on the effects of this type of rear shock on a long climb. Where the climb is long and smooth, I'd expect there'd be much less to favor the Liquid. Regards, Dan V |
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:21:49 -0400, Dan Volker wrote:
Reading the bull**** posts and boasts that keep coming out of your mouth, about how you would be talking tough regardless of where you are, just makes me wish you had attended USF back when I did---there would have been multiple toilets with your name on them :-) Hint to Dan: not everyone's e-mail is just their ISP. That's all the info I'm giving you; you'll have to do the rest. -- -BB- To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least) |
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 01:54:45 +0200, Gamarús wrote:
And, what say you about uphills with a Liquid 25? Rear shox moves, bounce? I'm more worried about uphills behaviour, than downhills, as I think you always have to suffer in uphills, and have fun in downhills. Since your original post mentioned Euros, the fact that he rides in Florida (and he DID point this out) might not have meant much to you. This is pretty flat territory - just small hills around creeks and lakes. LOTS of roots, FWIK. Dan never claimed he had big downhills - he specified downhills of 20 to 60 feet - this is like 6-20 meters. No long uphills to suffer there. Its not rocket science. If you're a big guy riding big stuff, you'll probably break a light bike. If you're an average-size guy riding trails without big drops, a lighter bike will probably last quite awhile. Unless your reference is someone of similar weight riding similar trails, its probably mostly irrelevant. -- -BB- To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least) |
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JD Wrote: "Dan Vo2lker" wrote in message ... I bought 2 Trek Liquid 25's back around last Christmas, one for myself and one for my girlfriend. When I bought my Liquid, I was weighing 237 pounds, and needed the 5 inch full suspension to make very rooty trails more comfortable to ride--- HAHAHAHA I believe a rider over 200 pounds "needs" more travel than a 145 pound rider, due to the greater inertial mass. Can you say "fallacy"? Nobody *needs* travel, except goobers who are conned by the marketing creeps. In any event, the Trek Liquid worked perfectly for me, and handled plenty of abuse. Yeah, we've seen how "abusive" your trails are. What a laugh...again. snip more non-expert opinion As to high speed descending, I have been riding this bike in Florida snip laughable claims/terrain Tell us all, Vo2lker, how does one descend a molehill? What's the high point in Fla? I'll have it in the North Carolina area soon, where I can ride on some real mountain sized downhills, but for now I feel confident in saying the Liquid is a good bike. A glowing review from someone who doesn't know jack shiite, except the sad little world of Fla "mountain biking". What a joke. JDDoes the 'J' stand for jackass? Some of my favorite riding is done up and down a course that has about 50' of elevation change. just because you don't run downhill for 3-4 minutes doesn't mean you don't know what downhill means. I've ridden climbs and daownhills that were only 50yds long that could kill you. To assume that anyone who doesn't live near a couple thousand feet of elevation change isn't a mountainbiker will get your ass handed to you in a race. grow up looser. -- mark_kendrick |
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mark_kendrick wrote:
grow up looser. And wear the world like a lose varmint. Bill "tight not right" S. |
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=?iso-8859-15?Q?Gamar=FAs?= said...
Yes, LX really works fine enough. I have LX at my Trek 6700 . But, Liquid 25 has a mix of LX/XT components and other brands in brakes, and as I'll upgrade to a better bike, I would like a complete XT. No worried about, I think I'll be able to change in the shop. The Liquid 25 on the American web site has Hayes HFX-9s, a very nice brake. The question is if the frameset is exactly the same in liquid 25 than in Liquid 55. I think is the same material and the same geometry, but I don't know if weights the same or not (any structural change). Anybody knows about it? If the answer is Yes, then there is any complaint, the front fork is the only difference important to me if I change into XT components. If not, well... They are exactly the same model number and have exactly the same rear shock. On the other hand I tested some Kona. Geometry is agressive, and I'm looking for a comfortable enough . Maybe is the age... Last week, I tested a Specialized Epic in a rocky forest track, and worked really fine compared to my hardtail. But, although geometry is also a little agressive, I read in some magazine that the suspension system is something between Hardtail and All-mountain, beeing in the last not good as a typical all-mountain. XC bikes will have more aggressive geometry, less travel and generally stiffer suspension. But they will climb better. |
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