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http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/chi...6083&fhid=2602
(print edition had a very nice 1/4 page with racing photo) photo, 2d from left: http://classiccycleus.com/home/wp-co...rickjacoby.jpg photo, jersey #13: http://classiccycleus.com/home/wp-co...hot-tamale.jpg Irv was more than a cyclist: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...g-day-normandy "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance," Erwin said, adding that veterans are the backbone of democracy. .... In a common refrain Wednesday, Pesek said he was afraid that although veterans will never forget, others will. "They think it's a movie," Pesek said. "You're like yesterday's news, like it never happened. You ask people about D-Day--they don't even know what D-Day is." Pesek lost many friends that day the Allies landed in Normandy. On Wednesday, he wished aloud that the gathered children would visit a national cemetery to see the rows of soldiers' graves and understand freedom's cost. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Mar 11, 5:01 pm, AMuzi wrote:
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/chi...y.aspx?n=erwin... (print edition had a very nice 1/4 page with racing photo) photo, 2d from left:http://classiccycleus.com/home/wp-co...06/PesekPesekF... photo, jersey #13:http://classiccycleus.com/home/wp-co...08/Jacoby-and-... Irv was more than a cyclist:http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...070297_1_veter... "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance," Erwin said, adding that veterans are the backbone of democracy. ... In a common refrain Wednesday, Pesek said he was afraid that although veterans will never forget, others will. "They think it's a movie," Pesek said. "You're like yesterday's news, like it never happened. You ask people about D-Day--they don't even know what D-Day is." Pesek lost many friends that day the Allies landed in Normandy. On Wednesday, he wished aloud that the gathered children would visit a national cemetery to see the rows of soldiers' graves and understand freedom's cost. Unfortunate price. With all due respect, seems so unnecessary. Gotta be a better way, a better "freedom", even. |
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Dan O wrote:
AMuzi wrote: * *Pesek lost many friends that day the Allies landed in Normandy. On Wednesday, he wished aloud that the gathered children would visit a national cemetery to see the rows of soldiers' graves and understand freedom's cost. Unfortunate price. *With all due respect, seems so unnecessary. *Gotta be a better way, a better "freedom", even. Yep. The "freedom" we won in WWII was the Red Scare, the Cold War, and the MIC as we know it. Along with a lot of other side benefits like persistent toxic chemicals from megacorps, millions of twisted scarred-for-life *******s masquerading as normal men, undisclosed releases of plutonium, etc. Oh, and concentration camps full of American-born people of Japanese descent. We probably should have kept those camps around so that gatherings of children could visit them and begin to understand "freedom's" cost. Here's a soldier's grave for kids to visit and think about: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sparks68/530576975/ Chali |
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Dan O wrote:
On Mar 11, 5:01 pm, AMuzi wrote: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/chi...y.aspx?n=erwin... (print edition had a very nice 1/4 page with racing photo) photo, 2d from left:http://classiccycleus.com/home/wp-co...06/PesekPesekF... photo, jersey #13:http://classiccycleus.com/home/wp-co...08/Jacoby-and-... Irv was more than a cyclist:http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...070297_1_veter... "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance," Erwin said, adding that veterans are the backbone of democracy. ... In a common refrain Wednesday, Pesek said he was afraid that although veterans will never forget, others will. "They think it's a movie," Pesek said. "You're like yesterday's news, like it never happened. You ask people about D-Day--they don't even know what D-Day is." Pesek lost many friends that day the Allies landed in Normandy. On Wednesday, he wished aloud that the gathered children would visit a national cemetery to see the rows of soldiers' graves and understand freedom's cost. Unfortunate price. With all due respect, seems so unnecessary. Gotta be a better way, a better "freedom", even. It is indeed a high price. http://vrritti.com/2011/12/17/ted-ta...peter-van-uhm/ or http://preview.tinyurl.com/7p65upg At 18 minutes, it's longish, by modern attention span standards but a well considered viewpoint. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Mar 12, 10:31*am, AMuzi wrote:
Dan O wrote: On Mar 11, 5:01 pm, AMuzi wrote: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/chi...y.aspx?n=erwin.... (print edition had a very nice 1/4 page with racing photo) photo, 2d from left:http://classiccycleus.com/home/wp-co...06/PesekPesekF... photo, jersey #13:http://classiccycleus.com/home/wp-co...08/Jacoby-and-... Irv was more than a cyclist:http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...070297_1_veter... * *"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance," Erwin said, adding that veterans are the backbone of democracy. ... * *In a common refrain Wednesday, Pesek said he was afraid that although veterans will never forget, others will. * *"They think it's a movie," Pesek said. "You're like yesterday's news, like it never happened. You ask people about D-Day--they don't even know what D-Day is." * *Pesek lost many friends that day the Allies landed in Normandy. On Wednesday, he wished aloud that the gathered children would visit a national cemetery to see the rows of soldiers' graves and understand freedom's cost. Unfortunate price. *With all due respect, seems so unnecessary. *Gotta be a better way, a better "freedom", even. It is indeed a high price. http://vrritti.com/2011/12/17/ted-ta...gun-to-create-... orhttp://preview.tinyurl.com/7p65upg At 18 minutes, it's longish, by modern attention span standards but a well considered viewpoint. That was, also, a well-considered rhetorical presentation. One important (IMHO) take-away is the demeanor of the Amsterdam audience. Like Pops Staples said, "Let the gentleman do his thing ("Respect Yourself"). You can bet there were many present who were biting tongues but I didn't hear a peep, and only one stir of random coughing that I would bet was entirely "biological". Either being old enough to remember yourself, or having parents and relatives tell stories of seeing German parachutists invading Dutch cities might have had something to do with that. As well as might having memories and stories of family members and neighbors being taken away to serve as slave labor, or soldiers, never to be seen again. (opinion) It's not the soldiers that are "the problem", it's the politicians. --D-y |
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Chalo wrote:
Dan O wrote: AMuzi wrote: Pesek lost many friends that day the Allies landed in Normandy. On Wednesday, he wished aloud that the gathered children would visit a national cemetery to see the rows of soldiers' graves and understand freedom's cost. Unfortunate price. With all due respect, seems so unnecessary. Gotta be a better way, a better "freedom", even. Yep. The "freedom" we won in WWII was the Red Scare, the Cold War, and the MIC as we know it. Along with a lot of other side benefits like persistent toxic chemicals from megacorps, millions of twisted scarred-for-life *******s masquerading as normal men, undisclosed releases of plutonium, etc. Oh, and concentration camps full of American-born people of Japanese descent. We probably should have kept those camps around so that gatherings of children could visit them and begin to understand "freedom's" cost. As usual, we don't know what the alternative would have been. If we'd let Hitler have Western Europe, let Stalin have Eastern Europe, and let the Japanese have the western Pacific region would things really have worked out better? Seems unlikely. It's interesting to me that Christianity has officially abandoned the "turn the other cheek" idea, at least with respect to accepting that there can be "just war." And of course, there are others that think, with some historic justification, that pacifism can become ethnic suicide. Maybe the solution is to be pacifist on a one-to-one basis, but to reluctantly accept that fighting might become necessary, as an absolute last resort, when conflicts become bigger. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Mar 12, 12:03*pm, Frank Krygowski
wrote: Chalo wrote: Dan O wrote: AMuzi wrote: * * Pesek lost many friends that day the Allies landed in Normandy. On Wednesday, he wished aloud that the gathered children would visit a national cemetery to see the rows of soldiers' graves and understand freedom's cost. Unfortunate price. *With all due respect, seems so unnecessary. *Gotta be a better way, a better "freedom", even. Yep. *The "freedom" we won in WWII was the Red Scare, the Cold War, and the MIC as we know it. *Along with a lot of other side benefits like persistent toxic chemicals from megacorps, millions of twisted scarred-for-life *******s masquerading as normal men, undisclosed releases of plutonium, etc. *Oh, and concentration camps full of American-born people of Japanese descent. *We probably should have kept those camps around so that gatherings of children could visit them and begin to understand "freedom's" cost. As usual, we don't know what the alternative would have been. *If we'd let Hitler have Western Europe, let Stalin have Eastern Europe, and let the Japanese have the western Pacific region would things really have worked out better? *Seems unlikely. It's interesting to me that Christianity has officially abandoned the "turn the other cheek" idea, at least with respect to accepting that there can be "just war." *And of course, there are others that think, with some historic justification, that pacifism can become ethnic suicide.. Maybe the solution is to be pacifist on a one-to-one basis, but to reluctantly accept that fighting might become necessary, as an absolute last resort, when conflicts become bigger. -- - Frank Krygowski So where do we stand on the bananna wars in Central America? Pineapple plantations in Hawaii? Just for a couple of quickies off the top of my head... --D-y |
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On 3/12/2012 1:04 AM, Chalo wrote:
Dan O wrote: AMuzi wrote: Pesek lost many friends that day the Allies landed in Normandy. On Wednesday, he wished aloud that the gathered children would visit a national cemetery to see the rows of soldiers' graves and understand freedom's cost. Unfortunate price. With all due respect, seems so unnecessary. Gotta be a better way, a better "freedom", even. Yep. The "freedom" we won in WWII was the Red Scare, the Cold War, and the MIC as we know it. Along with a lot of other side benefits like persistent toxic chemicals from megacorps, millions of twisted scarred-for-life *******s masquerading as normal men, undisclosed releases of plutonium, etc. Oh, and concentration camps full of American-born people of Japanese descent. We probably should have kept those camps around so that gatherings of children could visit them and begin to understand "freedom's" cost. Here's a soldier's grave for kids to visit and think about: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sparks68/530576975/ Chali http://www.warpoetry.co.uk/owen1.html "My friend, you would not tell with such high zest To children ardent for some desperate glory, The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est Pro patria mori." He was a veteran, too. |
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