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Old June 6th 04, 03:06 AM
Stephen Baker
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Scottieski says:

Seems like the "All Mountain" bike is meant to be a bike with long enough
suspension travel to do some light free riding but is light and nimble enough
for epic or all day rides.


Like what I said - it's a frikkin' mountain bike.

Steve
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Old June 6th 04, 11:41 AM
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"Stephen Baker" wrote in message
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Dan V says:

its an "All Mountain"
bike.


WTF is an "All Mountain" bike. Honestly, I'm just curious here. Is it
something different from the "traditional" mountain bike, that could

basically
do a bit of everything? Or is this some marketing ploy to make sur you

own
each of DH, FR, XC, AM, and UC (That's Urban Chic, BTW)

Enough with the acronyms and re-naming - it's a feckin' mountain bike!

Steve "tough day - last kid graduated from high school, 7 hours driving,

etc."

Trek uses it to mean the bike is a little heavier than a X-country bike,
with more travel. Sort of like a bike to be ridden on trails, but you can do
some light downhill on it, or light freeride. If you were looking at bike
rags, like MB Action or others, they use this terminology as well.
Since I am over 200 pounds, I did not want a X-country bike that was
designed for a 150 pound rider, and would fall apart on me if I did 3 foot
drops....But I did not want a dedicated freeride bike. I can see riding some
of the downhill bikes to do what I like, but the compromise I ended up with
is working the way I planned ( the Liquid 25).

Dan V


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Old June 6th 04, 01:49 PM
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Dan V says:

Trek uses it to mean the bike is a little heavier than a X-country bike,
with more travel. Sort of like a bike to be ridden on trails, but you can do
some light downhill on it, or light freeride. If you were looking at bike
rags, like MB Action or others, they use this terminology as well.


Steve shakes head in wonder at the stupidity of his fellow man


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Old June 6th 04, 07:08 PM
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"Stephen Baker" wrote in message
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Dan V says:

Trek uses it to mean the bike is a little heavier than a X-country bike,
with more travel. Sort of like a bike to be ridden on trails, but you can

do
some light downhill on it, or light freeride. If you were looking at bike
rags, like MB Action or others, they use this terminology as well.


Steve shakes head in wonder at the stupidity of his fellow man


Marketing trends make up most of our choices. It seems in X-country bikes,
the marketing trend is to make each new bike as light as possible.
I don't want this--I'd rather have a sturdier bike, something that can take
some bigger impacts, and I really don't need to lighten up a bike just to
make it a few seconds faster on a trail---I'd rather have a bike that can
take the abuse better, and so what if I have to work a little harder on
climbs and accelerating out of turns. So to me, the X-country "category"
was not what I was looking for. All mountain bikes would seem to be more
like the ruggedness of the normal mountain bikes 15 years ago.

Dan V


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Old June 6th 04, 09:57 PM
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Dan V says:

Marketing trends make up most of our choices.


Tell me about it. I used to ride a mo'bike, winter, summer and all inbetweens.
It was used to be called a "UJM" (Universal Japanese Motorcycle), which menas
it was not a race-replica crotch rocket, or a Harley wannabee, or a dirt bike,
or a full-dress tourer - it was just a motorcycle, in much the same way as a
"mountain-bike" used to be usable for most things.
Then the specialisation started, and I honestly cannot find a good commuter
bike that fits the bill anymore. Now, if I could find a wife that still didn't
mind me riding one in the winter, that could be a problem ;-)

Steve "may all our problems be that small"
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Old June 7th 04, 05:13 PM
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"Bob Rogers" wrote in message ...
"Jonesy" wrote in message
om...

JD's BITCH has spoken. Gay marriage is alive and well.


The internet is full of strange folks with odd turn-ons. You, for
example. How you get so aroused by the thought of me and JD together
is baffling, but mildly amusing.

If that mental image isn't good enough, I found a picture of your mom:

http://www.valley-girl.net/shepost3/urj5c030.jpg

Benjamin Spanklin (Scooterski) says s/he really has an authoritative
spank.
--
Jonesy
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Old June 7th 04, 05:20 PM
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And since you bought a free-ride style bike, that somehow translates
into full knowledge on all bikes? Wow, again.


I swear you must be on drugs. Where did I ever say I was riding free ride
bikes? Oh, and the Liquid 25 is not a free ride bike, its an "All Mountain"
bike.


Ahh, another idiot who's fallen for marketing hype. Hmmm, a 5" travel
bike, in the 30-35lb range, sort of inbetween XC and DH.

Yup, free-ride *sytle*. Call it whatever you like - it's not directly
comparable to the XC bikes you rode, period.

While I don't have the same high opinion of my bike knowledge that you

do of
yours


BWAHAHA! "Technical", etc. You are flogging yourself mercilessly
trying to establish credibility in this thread alone! Who are you
trying to kid, here?

[snip]



Newsflash....I was being sarcastic.


Uhh, bull****. This whole thread has been about you beating your
chest over why your purchase was justified by all your "experience."
But I do notice that you didn't give me your Trek guy's name and
number. Pretty chicken**** move there, Danny-boy.

Apparently you have such a high opinion
of yourself, you missed the sarcasm--pretty sad.


If you think that somehow you can change history by claiming something
that's not true, that's fine. *I'm* buying it...

Jonesy, have someone help you with the reading part before you answer me
next time, and then maybe you will sound better.


LOL - irony. And a classic capitulation. No real info, and when
verbally spanked into submission, just crawls away. LOL. A classic
tool. Must feel great to have Booby Rogers come to your defense.
Heh.
--
Jonesy
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Old June 8th 04, 02:32 PM
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"Jonesy" wrote in message
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"Dan Volker" wrote in message

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"Jonesy" wrote in message
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And since you bought a free-ride style bike, that somehow translates
into full knowledge on all bikes? Wow, again.


I swear you must be on drugs. Where did I ever say I was riding free

ride
bikes? Oh, and the Liquid 25 is not a free ride bike, its an "All

Mountain"
bike.


Ahh, another idiot who's fallen for marketing hype. Hmmm, a 5" travel
bike, in the 30-35lb range, sort of inbetween XC and DH.


Versus the idiot who has fallen for the "lighter is better" hype, along with
the "lure" of less mental involvement required when using a SS
bike---imagine the horor of having to think about shifting!!!! But after
reading many of your posts, I think you are probably better off reducing the
requirement to think about shifting while riding....

When I started riding in Western NY, back in the 80's, my rigid bikes
weighed closer to 37 pounds, and at the time, we thought this was pretty
light. And these bikes were tough! Why would I want a 22 pound mountain
bike?



Yup, free-ride *sytle*. Call it whatever you like - it's not directly
comparable to the XC bikes you rode, period.

While I don't have the same high opinion of my bike knowledge that

you
do of
yours

BWAHAHA! "Technical", etc. You are flogging yourself mercilessly
trying to establish credibility in this thread alone! Who are you
trying to kid, here?

[snip]



Newsflash....I was being sarcastic.


Uhh, bull****. This whole thread has been about you beating your
chest over why your purchase was justified by all your "experience."
But I do notice that you didn't give me your Trek guy's name and
number. Pretty chicken**** move there, Danny-boy.


How you have such a high opinion of yourself is amazing--almost as amazing
as you missing the sarcasm.

And it a Trek "girl's" name --the rep is a girl. I will have to talk with
her again before I hand over her number or name on the Internet to a "piece
of work" like yourself.

Dan V


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Old June 8th 04, 07:48 PM
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"Dan Volker" wrote in message ...
"Jonesy" wrote in message
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"Dan Volker" wrote in message

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Oh, and the Liquid 25 is not a free ride bike, its an "All

Mountain"
bike.


Ahh, another idiot who's fallen for marketing hype. Hmmm, a 5" travel
bike, in the 30-35lb range, sort of inbetween XC and DH.


Versus the idiot who has fallen for the "lighter is better" hype


You must have me confused with someone else. I've never written that.
If you had any clue at all, you'd already know I prefer durable over
light.

along with
the "lure" of less mental involvement required when using a SS
bike


Oh, now I'll bet you really are gonna feel stupid. I don't have a SS,
and I don't think they're all that great. I *like* gears.

Flail some more, Danny. I love it when you get all ironic like that.

When I started riding in Western NY, back in the 80's, my rigid bikes
weighed closer to 37 pounds


Jeez, even my beater Diamondback only weighed about 32. Oh, yeah -
bought in the '80s. Fully rigid, etc...

BWAHAHA! "Technical", etc. You are flogging yourself mercilessly
trying to establish credibility in this thread alone! Who are you
trying to kid, here?

[snip]


Newsflash....I was being sarcastic.


Uhh, bull****. This whole thread has been about you beating your
chest over why your purchase was justified by all your "experience."
But I do notice that you didn't give me your Trek guy's name and
number. Pretty chicken**** move there, Danny-boy.


almost as amazing
as you missing the sarcasm.


Oh, I *got* the sarcasm of when you appeared to write some praise of
my knowledge. But that's not what I'm talking about. Grab a clue,
quick!

And it a Trek "girl's" name --the rep is a girl.


Woman, Danny. If they are under the age of puberty, they're girls.

My mistake for ASSuming.

I will have to talk with
her again before I hand over her number or name on the Internet to a "piece
of work" like yourself.


Just e-mail me her Trek e-mail addy. That ought to be good enough.
But you ain't got the guts to hear that I was right, AND wouldn't be
man enough to admit you were wrong, so I won't expect too much.

*You* calling *me* a piece of work is frickin' hilarious, tho'. Keep
'em coming, I need some more laughs.
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Jonesy "rfjonesy *at* hotmail *dot* com"
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Old June 8th 04, 11:51 PM
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"Jonesy" wrote in message
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"Dan Volker" wrote in message

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"Jonesy" wrote in message
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"Dan Volker" wrote in message

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Oh, and the Liquid 25 is not a free ride bike, its an "All

Mountain"
bike.

Ahh, another idiot who's fallen for marketing hype. Hmmm, a 5" travel
bike, in the 30-35lb range, sort of inbetween XC and DH.


Versus the idiot who has fallen for the "lighter is better" hype


You must have me confused with someone else. I've never written that.
If you had any clue at all, you'd already know I prefer durable over
light.


This had just gravitated to "marketing hype". Had you been included in an
"idiot category" that I was talking about as a market niche, that would
certainly have been a big bonus. Sorry man, its not always about you. Try to
live with it.



along with
the "lure" of less mental involvement required when using a SS
bike


Oh, now I'll bet you really are gonna feel stupid. I don't have a SS,
and I don't think they're all that great. I *like* gears.


Maybe I did make a mistake here...But considering the difficulty you have in
staying focused on what equipment you are riding on, or of having much
awareness of what's going on around you, it would just seem to me that the
simplicity of a SS bike would be perfect for you.




quick!

And it a Trek "girl's" name --the rep is a girl.


Woman, Danny. If they are under the age of puberty, they're girls.


Newsflash Jonesey--if you are talking about "guys", then "girls" is an
equivalent alternative. Come on, say it...guys and girls....



My mistake for ASSuming.



Just your mistake for being an ass....




I will have to talk with
her again before I hand over her number or name on the Internet to a

"piece
of work" like yourself.


Just e-mail me her Trek e-mail addy. That ought to be good enough.
But you ain't got the guts to hear that I was right, AND wouldn't be
man enough to admit you were wrong, so I won't expect too much.



Next time I go to the LBS, I'll get her card and call her. If she says its
OK, I'll give you her e-mail address. But considering she's pretty cool, and
your pretty much a butt head, I'm not sure that "sicking you on her" is the
right thing for me to do.....

Dan V


 




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