cleaning fun...(not)

Jose Rizal wrote in message
nk.net...
Deep Freud Moors:


Utter bull****. Dirt will kill bearings MUCH faster than an absence
of
grease. Clean dry bearings will run for a long time, dirty bearings
(even
when greased) will not.

Don't change the subject. Grease's secondary property as water and
dirt
barrier is what's been pointed out, NOT whether dirt is destructive to
bearings.


You are the one that is trying to change the subject!!! It was
originally
about wheel bearings, if you can recall correctly. You avoided that last
comparison because it illustrates my point rather concisely, doesn't it!

Nope. You made several false statements about grease, and whether it's
used for bearings or turbine rotors or gears, the primary purpose of it
is lubrication. I see you skipped all the statements about grease being
a lubricant, and not provided an iota of factual data about why you
think otherwise.


As opposed to the plethora of factual data you provided!!!!

I gave a comparison which no-one is disputing. Instead you just tried to
drag the topic into bike unrelated stuff, hoping to catch me out for some
reason.
---
DFM

Jose Rizal wrote in message
nk.net...
Deep Freud Moors:


Utter bull****. Dirt will kill bearings MUCH faster than an absence
of
grease. Clean dry bearings will run for a long time, dirty bearings
(even
when greased) will not.

Don't change the subject. Grease's secondary property as water and
dirt
barrier is what's been pointed out, NOT whether dirt is destructive to
bearings.


You are the one that is trying to change the subject!!! It was
originally
about wheel bearings, if you can recall correctly. You avoided that last
comparison because it illustrates my point rather concisely, doesn't it!

Nope. You made several false statements about grease, and whether it's
used for bearings or turbine rotors or gears, the primary purpose of it
is lubrication. I see you skipped all the statements about grease being
a lubricant, and not provided an iota of factual data about why you
think otherwise.


As opposed to the plethora of factual data you provided!!!!

I gave a comparison which no-one is disputing. Instead you just tried to
drag the topic into bike unrelated stuff, hoping to catch me out for some
reason.
---
DFM

Jose Rizal wrote in message
ink.net...
Deep Freud Moors:

Crikey, do I have to go back to my original statement yet again???

"The primary purpose of the grease is not lubrication, but to keep dirt
and
water out."

Note that it says "primary", not "sole".

It's still wrong, and it doesn't matter how many times you state it.
The primary purpose of grease is lubrication. Educate yourself and you
won't have to make up things like this. It's annoying for most of
everyone of us who know better.

It's annoying you because what I say stands up, and your only way of dealing
with it is to try change the subject. I suggest you take some time out and
do some yoga or some ****.

Grease does provide somewhat of a lubricating effect,

It provides more than a "somewhat" lubricating effect, it provides *all
the necessary* lubrication required by the bearings.


Which is somewhat of a lubricating effect, is it not?

but its role of
inhibiting dirt from getting into the bearings is much more important
from a
reliability point of view.

What rubbish. Why do you make up things like this?

Now folks, watch as Jose completely misinterprets what I said, and starts
crapping on about something else...

A secondary benefit
of grease is its water repellency, not dirt repellency.

WHOAH!!! Yes, folks, that was a massive leap into something unrelated! Why
am I continuing with this guy? I dunno...

You might think
that grease prevents dirt getting into the rotating parts, but you are
again wrong. Dirt is a killer in being entrained in grease, as it will
eventually be carried into the moving parts.

Dirt is a bearing killer whether in grease or not. Contrary to what you just
said, grease provides an effective barrier against dirt when applied
correctly.

You've been making all these wrong claims about grease, it's time you
cut your losses and go.

Pretending that you're right will only delude yourself. You wont even
address the point I am making, choosing to change the subject instead.
---
DFM

Jose Rizal wrote in message
ink.net...
Deep Freud Moors:

Crikey, do I have to go back to my original statement yet again???

"The primary purpose of the grease is not lubrication, but to keep dirt
and
water out."

Note that it says "primary", not "sole".

It's still wrong, and it doesn't matter how many times you state it.
The primary purpose of grease is lubrication. Educate yourself and you
won't have to make up things like this. It's annoying for most of
everyone of us who know better.

It's annoying you because what I say stands up, and your only way of dealing
with it is to try change the subject. I suggest you take some time out and
do some yoga or some ****.

Grease does provide somewhat of a lubricating effect,

It provides more than a "somewhat" lubricating effect, it provides *all
the necessary* lubrication required by the bearings.


Which is somewhat of a lubricating effect, is it not?

but its role of
inhibiting dirt from getting into the bearings is much more important
from a
reliability point of view.

What rubbish. Why do you make up things like this?

Now folks, watch as Jose completely misinterprets what I said, and starts
crapping on about something else...

A secondary benefit
of grease is its water repellency, not dirt repellency.

WHOAH!!! Yes, folks, that was a massive leap into something unrelated! Why
am I continuing with this guy? I dunno...

You might think
that grease prevents dirt getting into the rotating parts, but you are
again wrong. Dirt is a killer in being entrained in grease, as it will
eventually be carried into the moving parts.

Dirt is a bearing killer whether in grease or not. Contrary to what you just
said, grease provides an effective barrier against dirt when applied
correctly.

You've been making all these wrong claims about grease, it's time you
cut your losses and go.

Pretending that you're right will only delude yourself. You wont even
address the point I am making, choosing to change the subject instead.
---
DFM

"Deep Freud Moors" wrote

I gave a comparison which no-one is disputing.

I dispute that. :-)

Theo

"Deep Freud Moors" wrote

I gave a comparison which no-one is disputing.

I dispute that. :-)

Theo

Al User wrote:

Yes, but use a low pressure garden hose and try not to concentrate
the stream at the hubs, bottom bracket or steerer tube.

A shimano team mechanic I was talking with a few years ago said
that he only ever used a bucket, a small amount of dishwashing
detergent and a large soft brush (like a dustpan brush).
The point was that he washed and serviced the team bikes after
*every* ride, so the dirt was never caked on to a point that it
had to be blasted off

Al.

That's what I do! Except for the part about every ride. After the wash I
wipe over the bike with a rag soaked in turps then I wash it again then
rinse it. For the chain I soak it in turps then rinse it then dry it
with metho.

--
Cheers
Damian Harvey

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plug for own business in caps and large, bad ASCII art.

Al User wrote:

Yes, but use a low pressure garden hose and try not to concentrate
the stream at the hubs, bottom bracket or steerer tube.

A shimano team mechanic I was talking with a few years ago said
that he only ever used a bucket, a small amount of dishwashing
detergent and a large soft brush (like a dustpan brush).
The point was that he washed and serviced the team bikes after
*every* ride, so the dirt was never caked on to a point that it
had to be blasted off

Al.

That's what I do! Except for the part about every ride. After the wash I
wipe over the bike with a rag soaked in turps then I wash it again then
rinse it. For the chain I soak it in turps then rinse it then dry it
with metho.

--
Cheers
Damian Harvey

This space reserved for standard disclaimer, witty quote,
plug for own business in caps and large, bad ASCII art.

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:28:55 GMT, Arpit
wrote:

Is it ok to hose a bike to clean it?

Not under current water restrictions if you are in Sydney.

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:28:55 GMT, Arpit
wrote:

Is it ok to hose a bike to clean it?

Not under current water restrictions if you are in Sydney.