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Old November 18th 18, 02:17 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 11/17/2018 5:59 PM, John B. slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:36:06 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:48:28 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 12/11/2017 6:48 AM, Andy wrote:
On Sunday, December 10, 2017 at 5:26:19 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/10/2017 4:36 PM, Andy wrote:
I was crossing crosswalk with green light.

Lady made a right at red light. She never looked right.

I was hit.

Broke left hand and neck pain.

I will never again cross at light.

Will cross between blocks.

Can't trust anyone!!

You certainly have to be very choosy about whom you trust. But you also
have to behave in a predictable manner.

It sounds like you were going straight ahead while you were to the right
of a car that turned right. I try to never put myself in that position.
It's responsible for many serious crashes, often fatal ones. That's why
that location has the nickname "coffin corner." See
http://iamtraffic.org/glossary/coffin-corner/

That website talks specifically about a bike lane, but the same
principle applies if its a sidewalk, or even if you're on a street or
road with no bike lane. Don't put yourself to the right of a vehicle
that may turn right. _Especially_ don't do it with trucks, buses or
other large vehicles. They have blind spots that make it even harder to
spot you in that position.

Bicycles are safest at intersections if they are where motorists expect
vehicles to be, and if the bicyclists are performing normal traffic
movements.

For more on this, see
http://www.kansascyclist.com/news/20...coffin-corner/

--
- Frank Krygowski

Don't put yourself to the right of a vehicle
that may turn right.

That's difficult to do when a cyclist has to cross.
Any cyclist on the road will ALWAYS be on someone's right.

Sorry, that's absolutely false. There are cyclists who are knowledgeable
enough not to ride in the gutter, and knowledgeable enough to avoid bike
lanes and sidewalks that put them at risk.

Admittedly, most cyclists don't have that knowledge. But most cyclists
think they already know everything about how to ride a bike. Go figure!


Every time one of these conversations start I always have the feeling
that there is something missing.

On side of the equation there is a giant 200 HP thing, clad in hard
steel and weighing a ton or more. On the other side we have a thin
skinned, feeble creature wearing lycra and weighing ounces for every
pound her/his/its adversary weighs.

Doesn't Feeble Flora (or Freddy) ever give any thought about which of
the antagonists is almost assured of coming out last in any contest?


Out of curiosity, does anyone know how antiquated messages like this
re-appear on the Web?


No, but it reminds me of something I heard recently:

"I was going to tell you a time travel joke, but you didn't like it."


--
- Frank Krygowski
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  #42  
Old November 18th 18, 02:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 11/17/2018 5:59 PM, John B. slocomb wrote:

Out of curiosity, does anyone know how antiquated messages like this
re-appear on the Web?


Also, the problem isn't limited to Usenet posts. I recall when an email
from an engineering friend took several months to travel from her office
30 miles away to my office. I never got an explanation.

--
- Frank Krygowski
  #43  
Old November 18th 18, 06:13 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B. Slocomb
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 20:17:49 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/17/2018 5:59 PM, John B. slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:36:06 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:48:28 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 12/11/2017 6:48 AM, Andy wrote:
On Sunday, December 10, 2017 at 5:26:19 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/10/2017 4:36 PM, Andy wrote:
I was crossing crosswalk with green light.

Lady made a right at red light. She never looked right.

I was hit.

Broke left hand and neck pain.

I will never again cross at light.

Will cross between blocks.

Can't trust anyone!!

You certainly have to be very choosy about whom you trust. But you also
have to behave in a predictable manner.

It sounds like you were going straight ahead while you were to the right
of a car that turned right. I try to never put myself in that position.
It's responsible for many serious crashes, often fatal ones. That's why
that location has the nickname "coffin corner." See
http://iamtraffic.org/glossary/coffin-corner/

That website talks specifically about a bike lane, but the same
principle applies if its a sidewalk, or even if you're on a street or
road with no bike lane. Don't put yourself to the right of a vehicle
that may turn right. _Especially_ don't do it with trucks, buses or
other large vehicles. They have blind spots that make it even harder to
spot you in that position.

Bicycles are safest at intersections if they are where motorists expect
vehicles to be, and if the bicyclists are performing normal traffic
movements.

For more on this, see
http://www.kansascyclist.com/news/20...coffin-corner/

--
- Frank Krygowski

Don't put yourself to the right of a vehicle
that may turn right.

That's difficult to do when a cyclist has to cross.
Any cyclist on the road will ALWAYS be on someone's right.

Sorry, that's absolutely false. There are cyclists who are knowledgeable
enough not to ride in the gutter, and knowledgeable enough to avoid bike
lanes and sidewalks that put them at risk.

Admittedly, most cyclists don't have that knowledge. But most cyclists
think they already know everything about how to ride a bike. Go figure!

Every time one of these conversations start I always have the feeling
that there is something missing.

On side of the equation there is a giant 200 HP thing, clad in hard
steel and weighing a ton or more. On the other side we have a thin
skinned, feeble creature wearing lycra and weighing ounces for every
pound her/his/its adversary weighs.

Doesn't Feeble Flora (or Freddy) ever give any thought about which of
the antagonists is almost assured of coming out last in any contest?


Out of curiosity, does anyone know how antiquated messages like this
re-appear on the Web?


No, but it reminds me of something I heard recently:

"I was going to tell you a time travel joke, but you didn't like it."



:-)

cheers,

John B.



  #44  
Old November 18th 18, 04:33 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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On 11/17/2018 5:39 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 6:00:05 PM UTC-5, John B. slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:36:06 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:48:28 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 12/11/2017 6:48 AM, Andy wrote:
On Sunday, December 10, 2017 at 5:26:19 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/10/2017 4:36 PM, Andy wrote:
I was crossing crosswalk with green light.

Lady made a right at red light. She never looked right.

I was hit.

Broke left hand and neck pain.

I will never again cross at light.

Will cross between blocks.

Can't trust anyone!!

You certainly have to be very choosy about whom you trust. But you also
have to behave in a predictable manner.

It sounds like you were going straight ahead while you were to the right
of a car that turned right. I try to never put myself in that position.
It's responsible for many serious crashes, often fatal ones. That's why
that location has the nickname "coffin corner." See
http://iamtraffic.org/glossary/coffin-corner/

That website talks specifically about a bike lane, but the same
principle applies if its a sidewalk, or even if you're on a street or
road with no bike lane. Don't put yourself to the right of a vehicle
that may turn right. _Especially_ don't do it with trucks, buses or
other large vehicles. They have blind spots that make it even harder to
spot you in that position.

Bicycles are safest at intersections if they are where motorists expect
vehicles to be, and if the bicyclists are performing normal traffic
movements.

For more on this, see
http://www.kansascyclist.com/news/20...coffin-corner/

--
- Frank Krygowski

Don't put yourself to the right of a vehicle
that may turn right.

That's difficult to do when a cyclist has to cross.
Any cyclist on the road will ALWAYS be on someone's right.

Sorry, that's absolutely false. There are cyclists who are knowledgeable
enough not to ride in the gutter, and knowledgeable enough to avoid bike
lanes and sidewalks that put them at risk.

Admittedly, most cyclists don't have that knowledge. But most cyclists
think they already know everything about how to ride a bike. Go figure!

Every time one of these conversations start I always have the feeling
that there is something missing.

On side of the equation there is a giant 200 HP thing, clad in hard
steel and weighing a ton or more. On the other side we have a thin
skinned, feeble creature wearing lycra and weighing ounces for every
pound her/his/its adversary weighs.

Doesn't Feeble Flora (or Freddy) ever give any thought about which of
the antagonists is almost assured of coming out last in any contest?


Out of curiosity, does anyone know how antiquated messages like this
re-appear on the Web?
cheers,

John B.


Just means that someone didn't read the date of the post they're replying to or someone saw an old post and decided to add something to it. Heck we sometimes see Zombie threads of a decade or more old being resurrected.

Cheers


I thought that too but Mr Slocumb's reply date is 11 months
old and yet it popped up yesterday.

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Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #45  
Old November 18th 18, 07:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, December 10, 2017 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-8, Andy wrote:
I was crossing crosswalk with green light.

Lady made a right at red light. She never looked right.

I was hit.

Broke left hand and neck pain.

I will never again cross at light.

Will cross between blocks.

Can't trust anyone!!

Andy


While waiting at the Jackson St. light in Hayward, CA, this is the exit from the San Mateo bridge. when traffic is light between commute hours the cars go 90 mph. When they approach the traffic light on Jackson they MIGHT slow to 60 mph and if the light changes it is common for them to go that 60 mph through a red light that changed several seconds before they arrived.

Thanks to the Hayward police and the California Highway Patrol I've never seen a single ticket issued here.
 




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