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On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:59:50 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

By the way you ignorant fool. 3/32 is 4 mm, 13/64ths is 5 mm and 15/64ths is 6 mm - the most common metric sizes and which is in any complete English tool kit.

Ummm... the thread size and driver size are very different. We were
discussing Torx drivers, which has nothing to do with the thread
diameter, Allen wrench driver size, or whatever you neglected to
specify with your unit conversions.

Also, the complete English tool kit for my former 1970 Land Rover IIa
required a few British Whitworth standard wrenches and sockets. The
Land Rover was mostly metric, but did include some SAE and Whitworth
hardware.



--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 4/9/2021 6:40 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 13:43:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

After careful observation, although they say exactly the same thing on
the outsides of the package there is one of the Torx bits that doesn't
not match the box. Instead of a 30, 20, 15. It is a 30, 25, 15. So for
one time in your life you can say that you were right before you die.

All those T-xx numbers are valid. I've bought assortments of Torx
driver bits in the past, where the vendor has a creative idea of which
bits to provide. The motivation is simple. If they leave out a
common Torx bit size, the customer will eventually return to the store
to buy the similar set that includes the missing bit. For example,
just about all the cast bits for Stihl chainsaws are T-27, which for a
time was not a common size:
https://www.amazon.com/Stens-705-194-Power-Length-Replaces/dp/B01M09AD7H

This set includes the 27 and the 25:
https://www.harborfreight.com/professional-torx-bit-socket-set-12-pc-56366.html

It's great that you can say you were right one time! We're still waiting
for Tom to be right one time!

On 4/9/2021 6:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:59:50 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

By the way you ignorant fool. 3/32 is 4 mm, 13/64ths is 5 mm and 15/64ths is 6 mm - the most common metric sizes and which is in any complete English tool kit.

Ummm... the thread size and driver size are very different. We were
discussing Torx drivers, which has nothing to do with the thread
diameter, Allen wrench driver size, or whatever you neglected to
specify with your unit conversions.

Also, the complete English tool kit for my former 1970 Land Rover IIa
required a few British Whitworth standard wrenches and sockets. The
Land Rover was mostly metric, but did include some SAE and Whitworth
hardware.

That's odd that a 1970 Land Rover would still have Whitworth hardware
since it was effectively phased out in 1956. Must have been some
sub-systems that stayed the same for decades in order to still have
Whitworth stuff.

On 4/9/2021 9:26 PM, sms wrote:
On 4/9/2021 6:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:59:50 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

By the way you ignorant fool. 3/32 is 4 mm, 13/64ths is
5 mm and 15/64ths is 6 mm - the most common metric sizes
and which is in any complete English tool kit.

Ummm... the thread size and driver size are very
different. We were
discussing Torx drivers, which has nothing to do with the
thread
diameter, Allen wrench driver size, or whatever you
neglected to
specify with your unit conversions.

Also, the complete English tool kit for my former 1970
Land Rover IIa
required a few British Whitworth standard wrenches and
sockets. The
Land Rover was mostly metric, but did include some SAE and
Whitworth
hardware.

That's odd that a 1970 Land Rover would still have Whitworth
hardware since it was effectively phased out in 1956. Must
have been some sub-systems that stayed the same for decades
in order to still have Whitworth stuff.

My 1965 MGB had a healthy mix and my friend's 1970 Rover
sedan did as well.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 19:15:21 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 4/9/2021 6:40 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 13:43:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

After careful observation, although they say exactly the same thing on
the outsides of the package there is one of the Torx bits that doesn't
not match the box. Instead of a 30, 20, 15. It is a 30, 25, 15. So for
one time in your life you can say that you were right before you die.

All those T-xx numbers are valid. I've bought assortments of Torx
driver bits in the past, where the vendor has a creative idea of which
bits to provide. The motivation is simple. If they leave out a
common Torx bit size, the customer will eventually return to the store
to buy the similar set that includes the missing bit. For example,
just about all the cast bits for Stihl chainsaws are T-27, which for a
time was not a common size:
https://www.amazon.com/Stens-705-194-Power-Length-Replaces/dp/B01M09AD7H

This set includes the 27 and the 25:
https://www.harborfreight.com/professional-torx-bit-socket-set-12-pc-56366.html

It's great that you can say you were right one time! We're still waiting
for Tom to be right one time!

But Tommy is always right!
(at least in his own fantasies)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 19:26:39 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 4/9/2021 6:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:59:50 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

By the way you ignorant fool. 3/32 is 4 mm, 13/64ths is 5 mm and 15/64ths is 6 mm - the most common metric sizes and which is in any complete English tool kit.

Ummm... the thread size and driver size are very different. We were
discussing Torx drivers, which has nothing to do with the thread
diameter, Allen wrench driver size, or whatever you neglected to
specify with your unit conversions.

Also, the complete English tool kit for my former 1970 Land Rover IIa
required a few British Whitworth standard wrenches and sockets. The
Land Rover was mostly metric, but did include some SAE and Whitworth
hardware.

That's odd that a 1970 Land Rover would still have Whitworth hardware
since it was effectively phased out in 1956. Must have been some
sub-systems that stayed the same for decades in order to still have
Whitworth stuff.

Not really odd. Land Rover bought bolt on gearboxes, front ends, rear
ends, transfer boxes, PTO gearboxes, etc from multiple vendors. They
used whatever the vendor provided. I was lucky that I only had to
deal with British Standard Whitworth (BSW). Earlier models also had a
mix of BSW, BSF, BSC, UNC, UNF, BA, etc. Later models were a mix of
UNF and metric. I don't recall which parts used BSW fasteners on my
Series IIa.
http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/spanner%20size.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Whitworth
https://www.lrfaq.org/Series/Other.spanners.html
https://www.lrfaq.org/Series/Other.threads.html

--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Fri, 09 Apr 2021 19:26:39 -0700, sms scribed:

On 4/9/2021 6:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:59:50 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

By the way you ignorant fool. 3/32 is 4 mm, 13/64ths is 5 mm and
15/64ths is 6 mm - the most common metric sizes and which is in any
complete English tool kit.

Ummm... the thread size and driver size are very different. We were
discussing Torx drivers, which has nothing to do with the thread
diameter, Allen wrench driver size, or whatever you neglected to
specify with your unit conversions.

Also, the complete English tool kit for my former 1970 Land Rover IIa
required a few British Whitworth standard wrenches and sockets. The
Land Rover was mostly metric, but did include some SAE and Whitworth
hardware.

That's odd that a 1970 Land Rover would still have Whitworth hardware
since it was effectively phased out in 1956. Must have been some
sub-systems that stayed the same for decades in order to still have
Whitworth stuff.

Err, I do not know where it was "phased out', but they are still commonly
selling Whitworth standard tools in this country.

On 4/9/2021 11:55 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 19:26:39 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 4/9/2021 6:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:59:50 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

By the way you ignorant fool. 3/32 is 4 mm, 13/64ths is 5 mm and 15/64ths is 6 mm - the most common metric sizes and which is in any complete English tool kit.

Ummm... the thread size and driver size are very different. We were
discussing Torx drivers, which has nothing to do with the thread
diameter, Allen wrench driver size, or whatever you neglected to
specify with your unit conversions.

Also, the complete English tool kit for my former 1970 Land Rover IIa
required a few British Whitworth standard wrenches and sockets. The
Land Rover was mostly metric, but did include some SAE and Whitworth
hardware.

That's odd that a 1970 Land Rover would still have Whitworth hardware
since it was effectively phased out in 1956. Must have been some
sub-systems that stayed the same for decades in order to still have
Whitworth stuff.

Not really odd. Land Rover bought bolt on gearboxes, front ends, rear
ends, transfer boxes, PTO gearboxes, etc from multiple vendors. They
used whatever the vendor provided. I was lucky that I only had to
deal with British Standard Whitworth (BSW). Earlier models also had a
mix of BSW, BSF, BSC, UNC, UNF, BA, etc. Later models were a mix of
UNF and metric. I don't recall which parts used BSW fasteners on my
Series IIa.
http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/spanner%20size.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Whitworth
https://www.lrfaq.org/Series/Other.spanners.html
https://www.lrfaq.org/Series/Other.threads.html

Regarding https://www.lrfaq.org/Series/Other.threads.html
I've got a really handy chart hanging in my workshop. It covers threaded
fasteners in Metric, U.S. and British systems, sorted by diameter. To
identify a screw I measure the OD and scan down the chart, then read to
the right to find the possibilities, including thread pitches. It may be
the most frequently used chart in my work area.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 7:50:52 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/9/2021 9:26 PM, sms wrote:
On 4/9/2021 6:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:59:50 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

By the way you ignorant fool. 3/32 is 4 mm, 13/64ths is
5 mm and 15/64ths is 6 mm - the most common metric sizes
and which is in any complete English tool kit.

Ummm... the thread size and driver size are very
different. We were
discussing Torx drivers, which has nothing to do with the
thread
diameter, Allen wrench driver size, or whatever you
neglected to
specify with your unit conversions.

Also, the complete English tool kit for my former 1970
Land Rover IIa
required a few British Whitworth standard wrenches and
sockets. The
Land Rover was mostly metric, but did include some SAE and
Whitworth
hardware.

That's odd that a 1970 Land Rover would still have Whitworth
hardware since it was effectively phased out in 1956. Must
have been some sub-systems that stayed the same for decades
in order to still have Whitworth stuff.
My 1965 MGB had a healthy mix and my friend's 1970 Rover
sedan did as well.

This was why a good auto repair tool box contained tools graduated in 64ths,

On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 7:21:46 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/9/2021 11:55 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 19:26:39 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 4/9/2021 6:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:59:50 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

By the way you ignorant fool. 3/32 is 4 mm, 13/64ths is 5 mm and 15/64ths is 6 mm - the most common metric sizes and which is in any complete English tool kit.

Ummm... the thread size and driver size are very different. We were
discussing Torx drivers, which has nothing to do with the thread
diameter, Allen wrench driver size, or whatever you neglected to
specify with your unit conversions.

Also, the complete English tool kit for my former 1970 Land Rover IIa
required a few British Whitworth standard wrenches and sockets. The
Land Rover was mostly metric, but did include some SAE and Whitworth
hardware.

That's odd that a 1970 Land Rover would still have Whitworth hardware
since it was effectively phased out in 1956. Must have been some
sub-systems that stayed the same for decades in order to still have
Whitworth stuff.

Not really odd. Land Rover bought bolt on gearboxes, front ends, rear
ends, transfer boxes, PTO gearboxes, etc from multiple vendors. They
used whatever the vendor provided. I was lucky that I only had to
deal with British Standard Whitworth (BSW). Earlier models also had a
mix of BSW, BSF, BSC, UNC, UNF, BA, etc. Later models were a mix of
UNF and metric. I don't recall which parts used BSW fasteners on my
Series IIa.
http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/spanner%20size.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Whitworth
https://www.lrfaq.org/Series/Other.spanners.html
https://www.lrfaq.org/Series/Other.threads.html

Regarding https://www.lrfaq.org/Series/Other.threads.html
I've got a really handy chart hanging in my workshop. It covers threaded
fasteners in Metric, U.S. and British systems, sorted by diameter. To
identify a screw I measure the OD and scan down the chart, then read to
the right to find the possibilities, including thread pitches. It may be
the most frequently used chart in my work area.

Perhaps you can remind me since I've forgotten, but isn't thread count counted in inches? i.e. A British BB thread is 24 threads per inch but so is an Italian BB. Thinking back the differences were in the threads with Italian threads being triangular and British flattened on the top.